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[JattApache]

You've put street pictures of Pashtun, and Bollywood photos of Indians. That's slightly inconsistent dont you think?

The street photos that you posted showed Pashtuns were quite white (real ones anyway, i don't mean internet ones).

Poor fool , we can obviously see that they are brown
And they are ALL pashtuns from Waziristan except the policeman

[roadrunner]

I've counted at least 15 people in that photo that would pass as white.

Are you blind by any chance?

That is a photo you selected to show browness deliberately also.

[JattApache]

[roadrunner]

The number in this photo is more like 90%

[roadrunner]

quit trolling.

[JattApache]

You are a fool!!!!

They are not WHITES ( european, caucasians ) !!!!

I have seen some north african berber much more " european " or white than these guys
But they are not european !!!!

We can clearly see that they don't have european features ( nose, eyes etc. ) in these pics

[JattApache]

And you cannot DENY that the pashtun people were mixed with south asians , it's genetically proved !

[Wahe Guru]

i don't care if Greeks are white (they're not that pure). they're definitely whiter than this indian village you come from though.

Anybody coming here and only reading your comment would think I said my village is full of "white" people. I did not say that.

I only replied to the comment from NokiaWnW:
Quote: Originally Posted by NokiaWnW
It is said Jats are descandants of ''Kushans'', the Tocharians. But if you look to Jats you mostly see the average Indian and not the blue-eyed and blond cantem-speaking ''Caucasian''.

My reply to above was:
There are many light coloured Jats and Punjabis and every village will have a few individuals with green or blue eyes and brown or even blond hair. Cities will have even more such individuals.

"There are many light coloured Jats and Punjabis" - by many I did not mean many in one place or one village, I just meant "many" in Punjab in total. e.g. not just 1000 such people in Punjab, but that there are likely to be many in total in Punjab.

I also said "Cities will have even more such individuals." i.e. compared to villages.

Mr Karachi has also confirmed with what he wrote "Much of the rural punjab is actually probably much more indian looking the then the city folks.".

It depends what one means by "Indian looking", but you can see that he and I both have been to Punjab, and we had, in effect, similar observation about the difference between villages and towns in Punjab.

You then produced the photo from Chamaar community (you said from UP). In Punjab actually most Chamaars do not look like that guy, even though quite a percentage might be dark brown or sometimes black in colour.

You also came up with these comments:
"There are a small number of Jatts that you might find with blue or green eyes (probably Sikh Jatts), but they are not present in any significant amount. These are the people that mixed with people further west for centuries (probably with Pashtuns) and then emigrated to Indian Punjab at partition."
"you might dream you have various types of people in your village. but i can say with a lot of certainty that most of your village will look like the person in my avatar."

Again its nonsense to say the first comment "emigrated" to Indian Punjab at partition. That is not the case.
And most people in Punjab do not look like the person in your avatar - some but not most.

The photos I showed of the individuals are normal Punjabis, that you can meet all the time everywhere in Punjab. There are also Punjabis with other appearances. Its a big range of appearances (more so than Pashtuns) - plus you have many people who are not originally "Punjabis" but moved from other parts of India (especially in the cities).

[Wahe Guru]

I've counted at least 15 people in that photo that would pass as white.

Are you blind by any chance?

That is a photo you selected to show browness deliberately also.

I think this is a photo that was first posted by Soldat_Amir discussing another issue. I am sure Soldat_Amir did not select the photo because it has brown looking Pashtuns in it. Bharati has only copied it from the other post.

Yes if these people in the photo moved to Europe or stayed indoors all the time (even indoors in Madras), they would loose a lot of the tan, and then might look more "European" but that does not mean they are actually related closely to Europeans or Greeks or descended from Alexander.

You said you reckon there are 15 who could pass as "white". Even so, those 15 are MUCH more closely related to the rest of them in the photo, than Europeans. So it is not of great importance that "15" could pas as "white" - they are the same as the rest - do you not think?

[JattApache]

I think this is a photo that was first posted by Soldat_Amir discussing another issue. I am sure Soldat_Amir did not select the photo because it has brown looking Pashtuns in it. Bharati has only copied it from the other post.

Yes if these people in the photo moved to Europe or stayed indoors all the time (even indoors in Madras), they would loose a lot of the tan, and then might look more "European" but that does not mean they are actually related closely to Europeans or Greeks or descended from Alexander.

You said you reckon there are 15 who could pass as "white". Even so, thos
e 15 are MUCH more closely related to the rest of them in the photo, than Europeans. So it is not of great importance that "15" could pas as "white" - they are the same as the rest - do you not think?

Infact brother , i copied it from another thread

The source ( and you can see other pics ) :

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=22165&page=4

The guy who posted these pics wanted to show the photos of his " beautiful waziristan " , check the thread

[Karachi]

And you cannot DENY that the pashtun people were mixed with south asians , it's genetically proved !

what is your point though. even if they mixed with south asians a bit, they dont look Indian. They dont have the (indic) look which even punjabies have for the most part. I dont understand why you and wahe guru are trying to prove that pashtuns and punjabies are same, I think this is your over all agenda.

also quit trolling with using the same pics over and over, atleast use different pics to prove your point

[Apollyon]

And you cannot DENY that the pashtun people were mixed with south asians , it's genetically proved !

The number of Pashtuns is well in the millions. The great majority are of Caucasion race far closer to Europeans than Indian. A substantial number of "hybrid" race people reside in India not white or black something mutant.


Half moon love

[JattApache]

what is your point though. even if they mixed with south asians a bit, they dont look Indian. They dont have the (indic) look which even punjabies have for the most part. I dont understand why you and wahe guru are trying to prove that pashtuns and punjabies are same, I think this is your over all agenda.

also quit trolling with using the same pics over and over, atleast use different pics to prove your point

I want to react to this thread and prove that pashtuns are
Not europeans or caucasians

Btw i never wanted to prove that they are indics, wtf ?

[Wahe Guru]

The apple has fallen very far from the tree. The audacity Pashtun and Punjabi in same realm, European hotter climate hmm.

The Greek historians noted Persians being fairer in skin color than Greek but like you said morality is relevant. Skin color is one factor, bone structure holds true.

The greatest civilizations were white and every white person deserves to know his brothers and sisters history. Greeks, Persians, Egyptians Pashtun, Caucasions etc. We can measure global achievment and contribution if you want to take the discussion there. This war of words againts white people continues to flow by orientalist, Dravidians, UN etc..

Mr Apollyon, are you Kosovan? I think you said you are part Macedonian. I once came across a Kosovan, who hated India and Indians. When I asked him why, he said because India did not recognise Kosovo Republik and Pakistan did recognise Kosvo Republik.

Look here are more photos of Greeks and in my opinion they do not really look like Pashtuns.
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[Wahe Guru]

what is your point though. even if they mixed with south asians a bit, they dont look Indian. They dont have the (indic) look which even punjabies have for the most part. I dont understand why you and wahe guru are trying to prove that pashtuns and punjabies are same, I think this is your over all agenda.

also quit trolling with using the same pics over and over, atleast use different pics to prove your point

I am NOT trying to say Pashtuns and Punjabis are same. It does not matter to me if they are different or the same. What's the point of showing a few people with coloured eyes and hair and trying to prove they are related to Greeks or Europeans, as Apollyn is doing. They would still be closely related to black haired, brown eyed, brown skin Pashtuns than to white Europeans would they not? If Apollyn can scientifically prove otherwise, thats fine with me.

I did not start showing the pictures. Look at Apollyn and what photos he is showing. I could do the same bad photos of Greeks but I am showing normal Greek folks and he is showing abnormal Indians that normal people do not consider normal.

Those city folks you said look different to rural folks in Punjab - well they are all still Punjabi in that they have all been Punjabi as far back as you could check.