Durand Line and Afghans/Pakhtoon National Unity

[Fahd]

Swat, come on this is not true! Swatis have been indeed humiliated and tormented through the many many army check posts and search operations, etc. but to say Army raped Swati women, this is a lie. I am from Swat and belonging to a group that has recorded and still recording the atrocities committed by both Taliban and Army but I assure you the "ezzat" of Swati women is very safe. Swati people endured all this humiliation including the destruction of 87000 houses, 22000 shops and other damages worth 87 Billion rupees in the name of restoration of peace, but to say Swati women were the victim of rape, this is not true and no Swati will ever live to see this happen.

Please stick to truth.

if that was true swat bro
then that's will make engry
we will get back our land by blood or peace
ok i will like more blood from those isaf dog's

[MazloomYarMasud]

Cause they were one of the countries that recognized them. What does a countries Ambassador have to do with this?

Well Iam just making a point that Afghan Taliban are not Pashtun Nationalists and do not represent Pashtun interests.

Well A Ambassador is very important because if Taliban truely didnt reconise the Durrand line they wudnt have reconised Pakistan as a whole but they did and according to Hamid Gul Afghan Taliban were the only Afghan government who didnt hate Pakistan.

Kind Regards

[Fahd]

Well Iam just making a point that Afghan Taliban are not Pashtun Nationalists and do not represent Pashtun interests.

Well A Ambassador is very important because if Taliban truely didnt reconise the Durrand line they wudnt have reconised Pakistan as a whole but they did and according to Hamid Gul Afghan Taliban were the only Afghan government who didnt hate Pakistan.

Kind Regards

u r wrooooooong bro
bileve me u r wrong
do u want me to abrove it
?

[Fahd]

that's right
and we most fight by islam name first
after that they use pashtun name
if u not belive u most go to alemarah site
this is taliban site
but the site i think will be Observer
be careful

[MazloomYarMasud]

u r wrooooooong bro
bileve me u r wrong
do u want me to abrove it
?

oh god another talib supporter

buddy col imaam is all the evidence i need to show how afghan talibs are loved by pakistan

I remmeber when achakzai protested about the pakistan army asking trailors to produce 5000 kandahari clothes for pakistani soldiers

for what reason did they do it!

taliban are puppets of Pakistan

go ask khyal he can explain much better 4 u.

[khyaal]

Not all Taliban are puppets Maseed.

just like how not all Mehsuds are terrorists.

Look malgarya! The issue is not whether all Taliban or Pakistani puppets or not, the problem is their decision makers or leadership which is fighting a proxy war for Pakistan to keep Afghanistan destabilized. Their agenda matches exactly that of Pakistani/Punjabi establishment. So it is obvious that they are snakes in the sleeves because all their efforts are directed at abolishing the very State of Afghanistan.

[khyaal]

You are forgetting to add the likes of Masood, Rabbani, Dostum, Hizbe Wahdat (Hazaras), etcetera to the list. While other Mujahideen were fighting for their own purposes, Hizbe Wahdat was busy raping women. When other Mujahideen were busy fighting for their own purposes, Dostum was putting entire Mazar on fire. And not to forget that those who blame Pukhtoons for being against Hazaras should remind themselves of what Masood and Rabbani did to Hazaras. And also don't forget that Afghanistan's weakness started since the day we lost Pakhtunkhwa to former British India, and all these dogs named Gulbuddin, Sayyaf and etcetera came to life as an result of our weakness; Now thank the Hazaras for guiding the Britons in first place because every action has got an reaction.

Shayestai khoray! You ignored the whole context of my reply. What I meant there was that some prominent Pashtuns if not more were as responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan as other groups.

In other words, yes. Every single qawm was sticking to his own people back then, so did the Pukhtoons. Even if that was by betraying your own country. By the way, could you name any of them who did not harm his motherland Afghanistan?

The irony was that in this whole proxy war against afghan Pashtun/afghan state Pashtuns political leaders of Afghanistan were the most powerful force who fought as Punjab's mercenaries to ruin their own motherland.

And Pukhtoons after facing death, rape and looting daily in Afghanistan, you even think it's funny Pukhtoons not yet will give up on Taliban? I myself do not support Taliban, but I absolutely understand people wanting to save their lives and honour, which is out of question since the US invasion.

Do you consider Taliban, who brought destruction on Afghanistan and who were responsible for the abolition of Afghan State, as representatives of Pashtuns?

[Shayesta]

Shayestai khoray! You ignored the whole context of my reply. What I meant there was that some prominent Pashtuns if not more were as responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan as other groups.

And even you missed my point. The 'injustice' against Hazaras started when Abdur Rahman Khan (after handing Pakhtunkhwa over to Britain) found out that it were the Hazaras guiding Britons all those while, which compelled Abdur Rahman to lose Pakhtunkhwa if he wanted to safe Afghanistan from Iran and Russian. All these sold-outs amongst Pukhtoons took birth after we (very painfully) lost Pakhtunkhwa and thereby lost our other half whose government is now enemy of his own motherland.

The irony was that in this whole proxy war against afghan Pashtun/afghan state Pashtuns political leaders of Afghanistan were the most powerful force who fought as Punjab's mercenaries to ruin their own motherland.

Are you talking of ISI? If yes then don't forget that even Ahmad Shah Massoud was one of their favourite puppets.

Do you consider Taliban, who brought destruction on Afghanistan and who were responsible for the abolition of Afghan State, as representatives of Pashtuns?

No, but nor do I accept the Northern Alliance as representatives of Afghanistan, nor USA and nor NATO. Do you?

[ayub]

Wow, now you are justifying the mass murder of Hazaras..is there no limit to your hate.

[Shayesta]

^ LOL, a cousin of mine is married to a Hazara and one of my friends is a Hazara. How often do you need to be told not to interfere in a discussion you end up being shut anyway? I do not hate any ethnic of Afghanistan, I am exaplaining the cause of Pukhtoon-Hazara tension; Whether it's justified or not, this is the reason.

[ayub]

Lol...I feel sorry for your cousin marrying a Hazara..imagine having to look at that all day...why he couldn't find any Pashtana? Or no Pashtana wanted to marry him..lol.

U made me laugh now. Hahahahahha.

[Shayesta]

^ Now also laugh at yourself for this; My cousin is is a female!

(Whose husband is better looking than any Punjabi I have seen.)

[Saifullah]

Is he more better looking than me....

[Shayesta]

^ Are you a Punjabi? If yes then he probably is, LOL. And since his grandmother was a Pukhtana from Kandahar, he has got more of a Pukhtoon look than Hazara.

[ayub]

disturbing you give your women to non-Pakthuns. I'm lost for words.

Perhaps you can marry his brother. Lol. Wouldn't that be cute.