Durand Line and Afghans/Pakhtoon National Unity

[Nadir Shah]

in support for India you are coming up with childish comments. The Brave Afghan King as mentioned by yousafzai in Durand Line thread had sold you because he could not face the might Britishers in terms of military power.


71 was a bad period with many of our people making mistakes and many people betraying us. And also we were not that strong militarily.

Above all in military strategy when you dont have a secure and constant supply line you are doomed to be defeated. We did not have a secure supply line with East Pakistan thousands of miles and even not connected to West Pakistan directly. In between we had India and Sri Lanka.


If you read the history the same beloved India of yours was defeated by China in 62. So its all game of military power.



Indian fake secularism and democracy failed to prove itself with willing killings of thousands of Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and even own low-cast Hindus

The more you come up with Mutaliya Pakistan and Nasim Hijazi and Pakistan Television rubbish, the more ridiculous and prefunctory you get.

The Afghan King Emir AbdurRehman did not represent the aspirations of the entire Afghan peoples. Hence, even if we consider his intentions melevolent, it does not dent our aspirations of Milli Wahdat at all. Indeed, it stregthens them even more. The Afghans/Pashtuns have damaged and fought the British Empire more than any nation on earth. But how would you know. You are known for the qaseedas of Nawab Vikar ul Mulk, Nawab Saleemullah, Nawab Muhsin ul Molk, Nawab of Bhopal, Nawabzada (angrez-zada) Liaquat Ali Khan. History has been treated by the Pakistani establishment as an out-of-work *****.

India's fake secularism? How many Moslems has India killed? Let see:

90,000 in Kashmir, and that according to the Kashmir Media Cell that only exists on the papers of ISI.
2,500 in Gujrat.
Let's assume 100,000 elsewhere. That makes a total of 200,000. The Moslem Pakistani Army killed 3 million Bengalis in the 4 month (26th March, 1971 to 16th Dec, 1971) Operation Searchlight. Please do not speak of Moslems anymore.

And why have you Pakistanis given the Aksai Chin part of Kashmir to the Communist/Godless China? Isn't Kashmir you 'sheh rag'?

[Pokhton]

The more you come up with Mutaliya Pakistan and Nasim Hijazi and Pakistan Television rubbish, the more ridiculous and prefunctory you get.

The Afghan King Emir AbdurRehman did not represent the aspirations of the entire Afghan peoples. Hence, even if we consider his intentions melevolent, it does not dent our aspirations of Milli Wahdat at all. Indeed, it stregthens them even more. The Afghans/Pashtuns have damaged and fought the British Empire more than any nation on earth. But how would you know. You are known for the qaseedas of Nawab Vikar ul Mulk, Nawab Saleemullah, Nawab Muhsin ul Molk, Nawab of Bhopal, Nawabzada (angrez-zada) Liaquat Ali Khan. History has been treated by the Pakistani establishment as an out-of-work *****.

India's fake secularism? How many Moslems has India killed? Let see:

90,000 in Kashmir, and that according to the Kashmir Media Cell that only exists on the papers of ISI.
2,500 in Gujrat.
Let's assume 100,000 elsewhere. That makes a total of 200,000. The Moslem Pakistani Army killed 3 million Bengalis in the 4 month (26th March, 1971 to 16th Dec, 1971) Operation Searchlight. Please do not speak of Moslems anymore.

And why have you Pakistanis given the Aksai Chin part of Kashmir to the Communist/Godless China? Isn't Kashmir you 'sheh rag'?

we also should not forget that amir abdur rahman khan signed contracts never with pakistan, he signed contracts with the british empire .and many people say amir abdur rahman khan was someone who couldnt not read or write he just signed contracts without knowing wat he signed.no pashtun ever aloud pakistan to creat his country on pashtunland.there is nothing that ever ligitimate pakistan on pashtunland
Ps:sorry for my bad english iam not a pakistani

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Nice comment Nadir Shah

You also should have added black september where Pakistan Army Units led by Zia Ul Haq attacked innocent Palestinian refugee camps.

Kind Regards

[Nadir Shah]

Dogs are said to be very loyal creatures actually, who was Ahmad Shah Massoud loyal to then?




Oh my holy Allah Subhana wa Tallah! Did you just say the Hazaras were fighting the British? Those very same Hazaras who were directing the Britons in first place because of which Abdur Rahman Khan turned harsh on them? Oh puh-lease! Even those Hazaras who got a bit of knowledge of history know that Hazaras did make a mistake during British era!


Can you know those Parsiwaans who played a major role in defeating the enemy?





Why don't you go to some Tajiki/Khorasani forum and tell this to your dear Tajiks who support Iranian influence in Afghanistan, aye?


LOOOOOOOL! If Pukhtoons dislike Tajiks then they are being racist, but when Tajiks dislike Pukhtoons then they are just 'reflecting' to Pukhtoon ethnic-centralism? If Pukhtoons want an independent Pakhtunistan then we are racists, but if Tajiks want Khorasan then they are just 'reflecting' to Pukhton ethnic-centralism? LMAO, what a pathetic creature!


I am still waiting for that source where it says it was Ahmad Shah Massoud who invited Osama Bin Laden?


Even though it were the Taliban who backed Osama up? Yeah, nice try buddy.


That was only politically back then, just like how Pakistani government has been politically racist since the day they popped out, out of Indian womb. Hatred amongst the ordinary civilians only kicked off thanks to Taliban, not before that.


You should have made your creation understand this before sending them after our a$$es.

Please trying to create ethnic antagonisms and schism in Afghanistan is not in th favor of either Pashtuns or Tajiks. It only benefits the enemies of Pashtuns who seek to sow discord among the Afghans. That Pashtuns/Afghans should help their enemies at the expense of each other is most unfortunate indeed.

[Shayesta]

^ Don't worry bro, I am just confronting him with Tajiks in political matters and those Tajiks who dare to blame Pukhtoons in politics. He has been lying since the day he joined this forum and I just wanna see for how long he keeps up with his lies, that's why I had rather label such people as Khorasanis.

[Nadir Shah]

we also should not forget that amir abdur rahman khan signed contracts never with pakistan, he signed contracts with the british empire .and many people say amir abdur rahman khan was someone who couldnt not read or write he just signed contracts without knowing wat he signed.no pashtun ever aloud pakistan to creat his country on pashtunland.there is nothing that ever ligitimate pakistan on pashtunland
Ps:sorry for my bad english iam not a pakistani

Malgariya, I do not care who Amir Abdur Rehman signed the contracts with. The contract was signed under duress and hence is null and void. In any case, it was never ratified by any Afghan Jirga and the Kabul Jirga of 1949 declared it void.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Jana provide some proof for these claims. As far as I know, the only Pakhtuns that are killed by those baloch nationalist are most probably FC. Otherwise the BLA or whatever Baloch outfit do not have any argument with Pashtuns. This is continuously reiterated by their own leaders -. khair bakhsh marri, balach marri, haiyarbaar marri, brahamdagh bugti, etc. This is not a Zaid Hamid forum that you can call a person a hindu agent and people will believe you. You have to provide proof of such a link. If you can`t prove they are hindu agents then don`t, it makes you look very immature.

The balochistan issue has been very skewed and is complex. The army has not made things better rather worse. And say we assume they are funded by India, so what? Pakistan funds kashmiri fighters, so should India ignore the plight of them? US, and the West via ISI funded the mujahideen, so by your logic I guess that was wrong too right?

P.S. we all have friends or `sources`there, so two can play that game :-p.

[afghan]

The problem is that you little boy do not have any idea... do you even know that WazirAkbar khan army was mainly from Mazar and north? Do you know that in battle of Maiwand most of soilder of Ayub khan was from Herat and Kabul? hello? WHile Tajiks,Uzbak and Hazara were fighting against British...your brothers were serving in British army against not only afghansitan but even Iraq...
check these out little boy

Frontier Force Regiment’s
40th Pathan Infantry


http://www.farewellthewinterline.com...03/Memoirs.htm

" number of these tribes provided recruits for the Indian Army. They were mercenaries. They did several years' colour service with the Indian Army, when they were often called upon to fight against their own tribesmen. Then they returned to their homes and fought against the British, firing upon their brothers and cousins serving in the Indian Army; then returning to do colour service with the Reserves at regular intervals, when they might again fight for the British against their own kinsmen before going home to fight against the British once again. They were loyal to the 'hand that fed them salt' and had no compunction with swapping sides; but when they did so, even temporarily, their loyalty was absolute for the duration of their new commitment."


Ayub Khan was born on May 14, 1907, in Haripur[1] British India, in the village of Rehana near the Haripur District of North-West Frontier Province.[2] He was a Pashtun (Pathan[1]) of the Tareen tribe.[3] He was the first child of the second wife of Mir Dad Khan Tareen, who was a Risaldar-Major (the senior most non-commissioned rank) in Hodson's Horse, a cavalry regiment of the pre-independence Indian Army.

General Gul Hassan Khan, SPk, SQA, (9 June 1921 – 10 October 1999) was the last Commander-in-Chief of the Pakistan Army. General Gul Hassan, a Sunni Pashtun born in Quetta, was educated at La Martiniere College in Lucknow and the Royal Indian Military College (now the Rashtriya Indian Military College), Dehradun, India. He was commissioned in the Indian Army on 22 February, 1942. After independence, he served the Pakistan Army for 25 years.


Naseerullah Babar, HamidGul, Akhtar A Rahman, Asad Durrani who openly calls that Afghansitan is to Chatalistan what Nipal is to India--meaning a colony... and other 1000s of others that are actively serving Pakistan against Afghanistan and interestingly their forefathers were serving British against Afghanistan... and yet you simpleton can dare to point fingers against Parsiwaan? Can you name me a single Parsiwaan that served the enemy? If it was not for Parsiwaan Afghanistan would become 5th province of Chatalistan... so have some shame...we never betrayed Afghanistan.

i dont know where you have got all that from, but akbar khan army was only pashtun, if tajiks were so patriotic, why would his father dost mammad khan settled pashtun in the north? he knew the dangerous and how tajiks can ally themselves with others. the proof came later when the the russian, took over tajikistan, uzbekistan, turkmanistan, qazakhstan, there was not a single drop of blood during the occupation. the same could have happened to afghanistan.

the people you have mentioned indian army were sold out. who was babrak karmal? was not he parsiwan, you still keep saying he was pashtun. He was not a pashtun he was a kashmiri. the Dr.najib shaheed was one one of the greatest pashtun who predicted all the present and knew what could happen. he tried to unite everyone in afghanistan was not a power hugry. on the other hand with the help of paakiies masoud and hekmatyar were busy in destruction of afghanistan.

[Nick]

Dear Parsiwaan
There is nothing personal between me, and what you represent is all based on your posts. There is two thing I found in you that does not really apply to someone being educated enough about Afghans.

a) your name Parsiwaan is not a common reference towards Dari speakers, because the "P" sound is only common amongst Pakistanis which was recorded in Urdu book reference to Farsiwans of Afghanistan, and few Pakhtu speakers also use the word, as well as common mainly amongst Indians is Parsiban. But when we make reference to ourselves we say "Farsiwan" and that's simply because we never considered our Language to be "Parsi" but rather Farsi to outsiders, formally "Dari" is what refers to our accent. Although accent from a city to city may differ but grammatical speech and writing is what separates our language from 5 other dialects Farsi-e-Rum, language of Turkey was once spoken in the daily streets of modern turkey in mid 1500s war with Shias the Turks promoted Oghz dialect or Turkoman, Parsi Savifadi (Farsi dialect of Persia), formalized to be known as Tehrani dialect is modern language of Iran. Hindawi (Indian Farsi) close to modern Dari, spoken by few in India but remains mainly in Writing and reading, Bukhari (Modern Formal Tajiki), although Bukhari was once famously spoken all over Central Asia until 1500s replaced by multi-nationalistic languages, Farsi-e-Zangi (Modern Language of Hazaras also known as Hazaragi dialect) this was the courtly language spoken famously in the court of Kublai Chan grandson of Zangi Chan. In total amongst all there are 6 version of Farsi (name given by the Arabs in reference to Eastern Lands) of which Dari is oldest.

(The above Respond also answers the question of one brother who wanted to know what's the difference between Parsi and Farsi, its same in words, simply Farsi is the Arabic version of the word "Parti", that's because in its early stages of Islamic era Partian language was famous, and because Farsi is mixture of Arabic and Parthian Arabs simply called it Farsi, and the land of Parts known as Fars. However the Arabs did not know that many other languages were mixed because 51 % is Arabic, 49% is mixed with Partian, Pakhtrian and other languages of the region including Indian (Sanskirti). The earliest version of Farsi came from Kandahar (From Modern Helmand under the leadership of Afghan Saffarid). As Years past difference invasions and era resulted in further contributions and so in making different versions of Dari.)


b) You don't get the concept of the term "Afghan" if you were Afghan, even the most ugliest Afghan like this Rapper DJ Besho who probably is the most Lost Afghan in my eyes, still says in one of his songs which I came across where he say "Bas bas Khon-e-Afghan ast dar Rag-e-Mah" So if someone that lost knows something as that simple you must know alot more, but it seem you don't have a clue.

Anyways I am not against people who are non-Afghan by origin, but simply hate it for the fact that Westerners use these words and demographics to divide us. My only problem like many other Farsiwans is that the word Tajik being applied on us, make it even worse when our own Pashtu speaking brothers too mention us by that name, what's even more worse is that these Pashtu speakings make their own identity "Pashtun" sound like a different race from "Afghan". Well this is what anti-Afghans wanted, "Afghanistan home of Multi-Ethnic nations" That's incorrect.

Anyways I am going to reflect to some of your comments so you know what I am talking about.

Do you know that in battle of Maiwand most of soilder of Ayub khan was from Herat and Kabul? hello? WHile Tajiks,Uzbak and Hazara were fighting against British

First of all did you know Hazaras were used by British against Afghans! If Not Let me know, well first start your research behind the word "Iron Amir" yes Abdur Rahman Although I don't liked him because I personally have issues with his personality, and way of thinking and I personally think he was scared of British and also he was selfish. Lets keep going. There were 3 things that earned him the title "Iron" 1) Kicking out or killing the traitors yes the Hazaras, which occupied 80% of Bamiyan (Now only 51% of Bamiyan are Hazaras) which British used which he did many of them went towards Pakistan under British protection and later many came back and settled in many Afghan cities that's a different subject, we will not pull into this. 2) Making sure all of his subjects are under banner of Hannifah School this is special reference to Nuristan ie from Kafaristan. 3) Political Friendship and accepting British demand which finally titled him to be "Amir"

Second Did you know Tajiks migrated into Afghanistan, I think couple of people have mentioned this above, if not let me know how or why and when. All I know from historical accounts there were no Tajiks during First Anglo war maybe 2nd Afghan anglo War Russia have already reached northern Afghanistan, and minor war with Russia was also fought in northern a city north of Amo Darya was captured by Russia as well as Badakhshan, the Russians and British decided to split Badakhshan into Gromo for russia and Greater Badakhshan under Afghans remained as Badakhshan but protected by British. Anyways the Tajiks came by huge numbers and that started when russians took over Turkistan mainly from Samarkand and Bukhara, and fallowed them were Uzbeks and Kazaks and Turkmans. Devendra Kaushik clearly mentions the mess which Russia created during their occupation. Let me know if you need more sources etc on the subject above.

[Shayesta]

First of all did you know Hazaras were used by British against Afghans! If Not Let me know, well first start your research behind the word "Iron Amir" yes Abdur Rahman Although I don't liked him because I personally have issues with his personality, and way of thinking and I personally think he was scared of British and also he was selfish. There were 3 things that earned him the title "Iron" 1) Kicking out or killing the traitors yes the Hazaras, which occupied 80% of Bamiyan (Now only 51% of Bamiyan are Hazaras) which British used which he did many of them went towards Pakistan under British protection and later many came back and settled in many Afghan cities that's a different subject, we will not pull into this.

To those who think Hazaras never have been wrong and Pukhtoons were just bitten by crazy dogs for turning against Hazaras (while even Tajiks were said to be in army of Abdur Rahman Khan), this part should have been highlighted because the Hazara assistance to Britons in Afghanistan was one of the reasons we lost 30 million Pukhtoons to former British India, and current Pakistan. That's also the reason why so many Hazaras fled to Pakistan which was a part of British India back then (Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was said to be amongst those Hazara immigrants as well).

[khyaal]

To those who think Hazaras never have been wrong and Pukhtoons were just bitten by crazy dogs for turning against Hazaras (while even Tajiks were said to be in army of Abdur Rahman Khan), this part should have been highlighted because the Hazara assistance to Britons in Afghanistan was one of the reasons we lost 30 million Pukhtoons to former British India, and current Pakistan. That's also the reason why so many Hazaras fled to Pakistan which was a part of British India back then (Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was said to be amongst those Hazara immigrants as well).

But what about those Pashtuns like Gulbadin and Rasool Sayaf etc. (the list of these traitors is so long) who while setting in Pakistan on the behest of Punjabi ISI staged coup against Daud Khans government and later on started FASAD (after the Saur Revolution) with the connivance and explicit suppoort of their Punjabi puppeteers to demolish and annihilate their own mother land, the state of Afghanistan? Could you compare the magnitude of harm done to Afghanistan by some of these traitor Pashtuns to those of other afghan communities?

[khyaal]

Gubadin and Pashtun Talibans have not yet stopped and are still playing within the hands of Pashtuns' eternal enemies to keep afghanistan destabilised. You will be astonished to see that some of Taliban's statement seems exactly like those issued by Pakistani ISPR.

[khyaal]

Khyaal, are you out your mind?

do you seriously think ''Pashtun Taliban' want to see Afghanistan in the mess it is rigt now and destabilized. You do know these are regular Pashtuns who are against invaders right?

What I know of the Quetta Shura and Gulbadin etc. is that they are the official guests of Punjab's Military. And what further I know is that the former Taliban regime was a de facto ISI's regime where the real afghan state had seized to exist.

[khyaal]

So are you now pleased with this puppet Karzai regime?

based on your posts ISI is playing a double game? what about Pakistani taliban?

Under karzai saib afghanistan got back its sovereignty Taliban had surrendered to Punjab. There is no match between osma-mulla omar to karzai saib. Even a blind can judge it.

The Pakistani Taliban are also the creation of the ISI to keep up supply of fresh recruits for afghan "Jihad", while at the same time receiving billions of dolllars from the US and NATO. For your information Taliban are mainly these Punjab sponsored militant organisations like Let, Jaish Mohmmad, Sipah e Suhaba, lashkar e Jangwi etc. They all were created by the ISI. Come to Swat and people will inform you about the actual situation and about the nexus of militants and the ISI.

Btw, most of Talibans activities are inside Pakhtunkhwa and you will be the most gullibel person if you think Pakistan/Punjab feels any sympathy for Pashtuns, thier lives and their property. The very insignificant collateral damage you see in other parts of Pakistan is part of plot to make the drama look real and credible.

[Punjabi]

Its now our lines. you guys need to now work on making your own side developed. stop these day dreams of ever getting it back.