How many pashtuns live in the world?

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[Manzareh]

answer: not enough

[Digital Malang]

We need a baby producing machine.

[Gul Marjan]

I thought this topic was going to say this many million pashtuns live in this world the rest live out of this world.

[Nick]

World wide I think Pashtu speakers are around 35-40 million. I cannot go above this number due to historical records recorded in late 19th century, however if you are talking about Pathani claims or descents of Afghans in India alone there are 35-40 million in India alone, 5 million in Bangladesh another 15 million "Pathans" claims in Punjab of Pakistan, and Sindh if we exclude the 2.5 million pashtu speakers of Karachi with those "Pathan" claims all over Sindh, there could be 3 million. Therefore if we exclude the PAshtu speakers in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan alone could mount to 65 million Pathan claims of non-pashtu speakers. Another 5-8 million Afghan claim can be added from Iran, and another 1 million in whole of Central Asia. In Middle east there is at least 10 million, and another 1 million pathan/afghan claim in Nepal, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australasia etc. In Europe/west there is another 5 million. so World wide non-pashtu Afghan claim could be 100 million and if we add the 40 million together Afghan race could be 140 million world wide. However to me true Afghan race with less or no external fusion of other cultures total Afghan race alive is 70 million world wide, because many in people in Pakistan/India are either too Indics and some are hiding their hindu background and sometime adapted Pathan identity simply due to adapting Afghan dress, life style, belief etc. As well as in east asia, the Afghna/Pathans claims are mixed such as Nepalis, Indonesians, 20th century Australians Afghans etc.

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World wide I think Pashtu speakers are around 35-40 million. I cannot go above this number due to historical records recorded in late 19th century, however if you are talking about Pathani claims or descents of Afghans in India alone there are 35-40 million in India alone, 5 million in Bangladesh another 15 million "Pathans" claims in Punjab of Pakistan, and Sindh if we exclude the 2.5 million pashtu speakers of Karachi with those "Pathan" claims all over Sindh, there could be 3 million. Therefore if we exclude the PAshtu speakers in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan alone could mount to 65 million Pathan claims of non-pashtu speakers. Another 5-8 million Afghan claim can be added from Iran, and another 1 million in whole of Central Asia. In Middle east there is at least 10 million, and another 1 million pathan/afghan claim in Nepal, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australasia etc. In Europe/west there is another 5 million. so World wide non-pashtu Afghan claim could be 100 million and if we add the 40 million together Afghan race could be 140 million world wide. However to me true Afghan race with less or no external fusion of other cultures total Afghan race alive is 70 million world wide, because many in people in Pakistan/India are either too Indics and some are hiding their hindu background and sometime adapted Pathan identity simply due to adapting Afghan dress, life style, belief etc. As well as in east asia, the Afghna/Pathans claims are mixed such as Nepalis, Indonesians, 20th century Australians Afghans etc.

Pakistans are very Indic and are nothing like Afghans. What percentage of Afghans have Indic roots?

Wikipedia infers that 50 million is closer to the mark.

Pashtun people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ethnic population: 49,529,000 possibly total Pashto in all countries."

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[Haris]

How many Pashtuns live in the world?

All of them as far as I am aware..


...Never heard of any living in Space

[Nick]

Pakistans are very Indic and are nothing like Afghans. What percentage of Afghans have Indic roots?

Wikipedia infers that 50 million is closer to the mark.

Pashtun people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ethnic population: 49,529,000 possibly total Pashto in all countries."

thanks bro for reminding Iam fully of wikipedia BS but perhaps you may not be aware we in this forum we have touched on wikipedia over thousands of times. Again my prediction was based on historical records recorded in late 19th century as well as early 20th century. Because anything above 40 million means the number has been over stated. A Population which was 4 million in 19th century cannot be over 40 milllion and in fact pashtun numbers have deceased since large number of them living in the north of Afghanistan inside Punjab/Sindh, Iran as well in Balochis adapted other languages. Pashtun numbers have deceased not increased, again we are talking "tongue" not "Race" ie Qwam.
You want to believe in wikipedia then be it and keep it to yourself, I am an anti-wikipedian. BTW Indic is a hot topic which you can discuss in desi forums, in here people are not fan of it, and nor am I interested in discussing such topic either. Just understand that Pakistan and India are same in many ways so be if you want to call it Indic or not.
BTW welcome to the Forum.

[Master Khan]

I think they are around 30 to 35 million, calming to be a Pashtun is different.
50 million is to much to be honest...there are not many pashtuns in the world...I am speaking about the PAshto Speaking ones.

[Michin Khel]

There are 30 million pure pashto speakers in pakistan and 13 million pashto speakers in afghanistan. It should be noted that large number of Pashtuns of afghanistan are mixed with tajiks and majority of these 13 million pashtuns are bilingual in dari and pashto.

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[Nick]

There are 30 million pure pashto speakers in pakistan and 13 million pashto speakers in afghanistan. It should be noted that large number of Pashtuns of afghanistan are mixed with tajiks and majority of these 13 million pashtuns are bilingual in dari and pashto.

I will reply to u bro give me some time

[Nick]

There are 30 million pure pashto speakers in pakistan and 13 million pashto speakers in afghanistan. It should be noted that large number of Pashtuns of afghanistan are mixed with tajiks and majority of these 13 million pashtuns are bilingual in dari and pashto.

There are 30 million pure pashto speakers in pakistan and 13 million pashto speakers in afghanistan. It should be noted that large number of Pashtuns of afghanistan are mixed with tajiks and majority of these 13 million pashtuns are bilingual in dari and pashto.

My dear it doesn't make sense in what you are referring to again those who "claim" to be pashtuns in India are 35 -40 million but its be realistic this is not about what people "claim" but what are facts unfortunately due to pakistan government's false and corruption nothing can be confirmed since 1980s of course some people say even the 1990 census is aright but I personally won't fall in such BS.

Afghanistan was 7.5 million before durand line and at the same time Persia was 8 million. Once russians took over parts of iran in the north west and afghanistan at the same time lost south and british occupation of Baloch land upon creation of Balochistan the population combined was 1 million when it was separated that means left over was 6.5 million and some 1/3 of its population mainly hinkis "500,000 hindko" and "1.5 million pashtuns" was lost again because just before the first anglo war total population was around 6.5 million by and pashtun population was total 3.8 or 3.6 million of which in second anglo war means less than 1.5 million pashtuns held as part of british raj and some 0.5 million hindko means that 6.5-2=4.5 or 4.5 million in Afghanistan.

Anyways bottom pointis by 1898 Afghanistan was a little over 4.5 million and Iran was 7 million. Today total Iranian population is 74 million that is 10.5 times increased if we assume that Iran and Afghanistan had same environment until WWII if not until 1970s with this same trend Afghanistan's population would of been 47.25 million by now however due to over 30 years of war with 3 million Afghans in pakistan and total world wide around 8 million Afghanistan"s population living outside Afghanistan. We could be around 38-39 million today if all Afghans come back to Afghanistan. However due to loss of 2.5 million lost during russian invasion and another 3 million by internal political warlords back by outsiders and another 1.6 million since 2000 we can say that accurately we could of reached that missing 9.25 or 8.25 million if not that many lives were lost.

Anyways since we are talking about Pashtun population of pakistan if we exclude the Afghan immigrants of 1980s. Since pashtunistan is no different from greater middle east and the environment is similar that of other Islamic societies ie average 8.25 children per family we can say that 1.5million pashtuns taken from Afghanistan *10.5 times= 15.75 million and 500,000 hindko* 10.5 =5.25 million so here now ask your self do we have 5.25 million hindkos in pakistan?
Also what is there any prove for pashtuns of pakistan being 15.75 million?
Well according pakistan's most accurate data total pashtuns or pashtu speaker accounted for 8.5 % of Pakistan ok. So let's count today pakistan is 170 million assume it is and 8.5% of that is 14.5 million. (Note I mention a small state created between first anglo war and second anglo war was named Balochistan was 1 million now please be my guest and do *10.5 times increase you will get 10.5 million you should also know that in 1893 under Durand Line agreement Balochistan was once again divided 1/3 of land given to Iran as per Iranian agreement in the great game and today 3 million is presented in Iran while in Pakistan 8 million (total 11 million is we imagine that same old Balochistan of 1940s) Althought its above my prediction but as you know some people of Pakistani Balochistan was an import of some families by ISI in 1948, 1956, 1966-1973 as well as 1978 which account to 5-15% of Balochistan not being native but rather non-native indics.)

Wow see right there I basically solved your problem and others however due to large number of Afghans coming into pakistan if anyone says to me its fare to say 17 million pashtuns in Pakistan. Considering the fact that Afghans and Pashtun family structures are same as well as same environment. The Pashtun population of pakistan cannot be over 20 million if so you are either mistaken or brainwashed.

Iam sorry but I wish there was 30-35 million pashtu speaks in pakistan but this is not true Pakistan has doubled their fake census to use it against Afghanistan and to argue that there are double Pashtuns in Pakistan compare to afghanistan??.

To me pashtun population of pakistan historically was always less than that of Afghanistan which was what Duad khan's as well as Zahir shah's other representatives argued. But since 1980s large number of refugees in NWFP its now fare to say that Pashtun population of pakistan is same as in that of Afghanistan. Pakistan is not home of pashtuns but rather its Afghanistan. I hate to admit this but we cannot hide from facts it will hunt us down once again.

Dear luffy we can't just BS and BS historically Afghanistan has always been dominated by Pashtuns and even today. They account if not 65% for sure 50% and that is total of 15 million at least (if afghanistan's populaton really is 30 million) However from 27% of us Tajiks another 8% are those whose fathers in the last 100 years ago were pashtun which means their grand father or great grandfathers who lived in Farsi dominated region their children are now tajiks, which is why Tajiks are reduced to 17 % in some USA observed data and not 27%.

It should be noted that large number of Pashtuns of afghanistan are mixed with tajiks and majority of these 13 million pashtuns are bilingual in dari and pashto

Yeah but you should note that Afghanistan's demographic was not based on "claim" like that of in your Pakistan, but rather based on those colonial ethnicity names were given to them. If we count the total of those in Afghanistan who cliam to be "Afghan" the latest survey showed that over 75% claim to be calling themselves Afghan first. This article I presented in this forum in PDF form. Tajik LOL I am also a tajik so was my great grand father who was a farsiwan I don't know if my great x 7 th generation was Pashtun but I sure know my 12 th generation of ancestors goes back to Alam khan and that is Ahmadzai. Lol we still don't know who are Tajiks its just a turkic name equivalent to Persian meaning farsi speaker.

Second point so what if Pashtuns of Afghanistan are bilingual now I personally do know that, I have meet pashtuns who don't single sentence in Dari so I know u are not telling the truth lol as i know you just assume in this point.

However historically pashtuns have always been bilingual either in Dari or hindavi or today a new tongue called Urdu. In Pakistan even the 6 years old kids know urdu even in the tribal areas, where as in afghanistan we are not pushing Dari on them pashtu is official language and that is based on domination of certain group. In pashtun belt pashtu is so dominated that Dari could be like alien to kids unless individuals lived in big cities like Kabul, Mazar, Herat etc. Otherwise we can't just ignore the 8% of pakistani Afghans and dismiss them as "pakistani" or "punjabi" simply because all of them know urdu or forced by Government to speak in Urdu.

Dear luffy if you need any sources for the above let me know