pashtuns jews roots,piton tribe

[gadoonwal]

Pashtun Jewish roots


This appeared in the Vayishlach edition of the Ohr Sameyach "OhrNet". Most interesting the Pashtun is Pathan/Pithan and now we have a direct name connection the King Shaul's grandson.
David Baron



From: Jeremy in Pittsburgh, PA
Dear Rabbi, I have heard that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel may have gone to Afghanistan and that the Afghani people today are their descendants. They supposedly have Jewish customs like lighting candles on Friday and wear a tallit. Is this true?
Dear Jeremy, When you think about the fact that Jews as a people are as ancient as the Chinese, you realize that by now there ought to be at least a billion of us. Where are we all?
The answer is that being Jewish — while truly a most wonderful thing to be — has never been extremely popular. Aside from murdering us, the nations have shrunk us through assimilation via coercion, enticement and expulsion in all directions. So finding Jewish traces anywhere on the globe shouldn’t surprise us that much. A classic case of this is the Ten Tribes of Israel, who were expelled from their land by the Assyrians around two and a half millennia ago. As one would expect, being exiled was bad for their national identity. They all went lost. Do any of them live today in Afghanistan?
First of all, let’s set the record straight that Bin Laden has no connectin to Judaism except maybe for his similarity to Haman and Pharaoh. He’s not even Afghani; he hails from Yemen via Saudi Arabia. As for the Afghani people, yes, there is fascinating evidence that some of them, most notably the Pathani tribesmen, may have roots going back to the Ten Lost Tribes.
First of all, many Afghani people claim this to be so. Rabbi Avraham Hacohen, president of the Jewish community in the Afghan city of Harath, testified that he heard former Afghani king Habib Allah Han proclaim, “I am from the tribe of Benjamin.” In similar testimony, an immigrant to Israel recalls his childhood memory of King Habib Allah’s horseback tour of Harath: “The Jewish dignitaries of the city gathered, among them my father. My father coerced me to join in greeting the king. The King asked the Jews, ‘What tribe are you from?’ ‘We have no tradition regarding that, so we don’t know, O King,’ answered the head of the delegation. ‘Well, we do know,’ said the king. ‘We, the Mahmad Zei family, are all descendants of the tribe of Benjamin from the seed of King Saul, from the sons of Yonatan Afghan and Pithon.’”
Many Pathani village elders claim this as well. They are ‘the seed of Israel,’ descended, they say, from Pithon of the tribe of Benjamin. Pithon, a great-grandson of King Saul, is mentioned among a list of hundreds of names chronicling the descendants of the Twelve Tribes (Chronicles I 8:35). Nothing more is said of him. Other names of Afghani tribes resemble those of some of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel: Rebbani (Reuben); Levoni (*Levi); Ephriti (Ephraim); Yusuf Si means Sons of Yosef (Joseph). The Ghaghi tribesmen claim their name is from Gad. Jewish names such as ‘Israel,’ not so typical in the radically fundamental Islamic state of Afghanistan, are found among many Pathani. Jewish names have been seen on tombstones in far-flung graveyards around the country. As for Jewish customs, the Pathani are quite strict about not shaving their sidelocks (peot), which is in accordance with the Torah command, ‘Don’t shave the sides of your head’ (Leviticus 19).
Their day of rest is Saturday, and Friday towards evening they light candles, which some then cover with a basket (originally to hide their Jewishness?). They wear a four-cornered garment, to which some of them attach fringes on the corners. Some pray facing Jerusalem, and the Star of David symbol is prevalent in almost every Pathani home! The great Torah Sage ‘Tiferet Yisrael’ wrote regarding the Ten Tribes: ‘Many of the remaining became assimilated amongst the non-Jews*.’
Regarding them is the dispute between the Talmudic Sages Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Eliezar, regarding whether in the future those who remain but are assimilated will eventually be brought back to the true faith in G-d*. For, although many of them are actual idol worshippers and their identity as ‘Israel’ is forgotten, and the few Jewish practices they have are merely traditions handed down from their fathers, such as the people of Afghanistan, regarding whom many geographers consider to be forgotten Jews*. (Tiferet Yisrael, Perek Chelek) In sum, there is interesting evidence that some Afghani may have Jewish roots.
What do we take from all this? We should realize that it’s a miracle of the greatest magnitude that we as Jews exist at all, remaining fully Jewish, and with our entire Torah extant for the 3,314th year in a row.


Source: Based on an article by Rafael Berelson * Levi, as a whole, is not a lost tribe. Many Levites still exist among Jews today. Yet it is assumed that many Levites were exiled along with the Lost Tribes
http://www.kulanu.org/pathan/pashtunjewishroots.php

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
da zwan sa wy,,taasu e many?

[graveyardofempires]

jewish ?
what the **** ,the title is misleading.

jews were from the tribe of Judah

[gadoonwal]

jewish ?
what the **** ,the title is misleading.

jews were from the tribe of Judah

zwana,you can not kill people for expressing their views.Let them use whatever title they want.
It is good to know the views of others.
pashtuns today are muslims but might have some isrealitic past and i do,nt see anything wrong with that.
They could be hindos who knows .
are the jews,hindos,etc are not human?

[graveyardofempires]

zwana,you can not kill people for expressing their views.Let them use whatever title they want.
It is good to know the views of others.
pashtuns today are muslims but might have some isrealitic past and i do,nt see anything wrong with that.
They could be hindos who knows .
are the jews,hindos,etc are not human?

grana
i dont say Pashtuns might not have been Israelite but that has nothing to do with jews.

lets put somethings in perspective.

jews=from tribe of juda(nothing to do with Pashtuns)
Israelite=bani israel (a people)

i dont see anything wrong with Israelite past matter of fact that will be a great thing being from the lineage of Anbia(prophets)
i didnt say if hindus/jews were not human,i just said saying that pashtuns were jews is totally inaccurate.

[KhalsaWarrior]

grana
i dont say Pashtuns might not have been Israelite but that has nothing to do with jews.

lets put somethings in perspective.

jews=from tribe of juda(nothing to do with Pashtuns)
Israelite=bani israel (a people)

i dont see anything wrong with Israelite past matter of fact that will be a great thing being from the lineage of Anbia(prophets)
i didnt say if hindus/jews were not human,i just said saying that pashtuns were jews is totally inaccurate.

Jews are descended from Israelites too. Just one of the tribes that didnt get lost. So ethnically speaking, modern day Jews and Pashtuns would have the same fore-fathers. Religion wise, since Israelites pretty much followed a similar religion as Judaism, this would mean that early Pashtuns might be Jews (as the word is used in its modern sense).

[graveyardofempires]

Jews are descended from Israelites too. Just one of the tribes that didnt get lost. So ethnically speaking, modern day Jews and Pashtuns would have the same fore-fathers. Religion wise, since Israelites pretty much followed a similar religion as Judaism, this would mean that early Pashtuns might be Jews (as the word is used in its modern sense).

thats again wrong
who ssays we were lost and not them?

the term jew is used for the tribe of juda.
so yes we could be related under the term israelite and not jew.
according to us Moses was muslim and so were joseph abraham and jesus.
Israelites didnt follow similar religion as modern jews.

[Nick]

LMAO at Rabbani tribe lol Burhanuddin Rabbani as their tribal leader

This is such an old BS once I was amazed and now I LOL at everything these BS maker made up against against.

[KhalsaWarrior]

thats again wrong
who ssays we were lost and not them?

the term jew is used for the tribe of juda.
so yes we could be related under the term israelite and not jew.
according to us Moses was muslim and so were joseph abraham and jesus.
Israelites didnt follow similar religion as modern jews.

I dont understand. It seems like you pretty much agree that modern day Jews and Pashtuns had the same forefathers but you dont want to identify yourself with the religion of Judaism in particular.

If we agree on the above, then we are on the same page. The religion of Moses or the subsequent prophets is inconsequential.

[graveyardofempires]

I dont understand. It seems like you pretty much agree that modern day Jews and Pashtuns had the same forefathers but you dont want to identify yourself with the religion of Judaism in particular.

If we agree on the above, then we are on the same page. The religion of Moses or the subsequent prophets is inconsequential.

thats exactly right.
this is still a theory which needs to be investigated and the islamic sources does mention this and tells us that Pukhtane are from Bani israel.

btw such thing as judaism didnt exist in the tim eof moses or other prophets just like the term christianity didnt exist in the time of jesus.

[KhalsaWarrior]

thats exactly right.
this is still a theory which needs to be investigated and the islamic sources does mention this and tells us that Pukhtane are from Bani israel.

btw such thing as judaism didnt exist in the tim eof moses or other prophets just like the term christianity didnt exist in the time of jesus.

I agree. Although from what I have read, all Israelis followed a religion similar to the one followed by modern day Jews, we probably need more research to be sure of that. Check this:It (Judaism) it is considered by Jews to be the expression of the covenantal relationship God developed with the Children of Israel.

[shehram]

The Israeli Source of the Pathan Tribes
From the book, Lost Tribes from Assyria, by A Avihail and A Brin, 1978, in Hebrew
by Issachar Katzir
As children, we heard from our parents, who come from Afghanistan, stories about the Ten Tribes who were lost during the destruction of the Temple, about meetings with the country people with whom they had contact in trade matters, about Jewish customs and names – and it all sounded inconceivable and fascinating. Like all children, we enjoyed hearing about tribes of Israel preserving their forefathers’ tradition, bearing arms and awaiting the day of redemption.
From Mr Yisrael Mishal, who lived in Afulah and was formerly President of the Afghanistan Jewish community, I often heard unusually fascinating quotations and stories uttered repeatedly and Mr Mishal gave live examples of his meetings with Pathans who dwell on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Who are the Pathans? They are also called Afghans or Pishtus after their language. They identify themselves with their former name ‘sons of Israel’, even though nowadays they live as Muslims. In Afghanistan they are said to number six to seven million, and in Pakistan seven to eight million. Two million of them live as beduins. Outwardly, the Pathans are similar to the Jews.
From their ancient customs, one can point to a connection between the Pathans and the Jewish people. They make up about half of the population of Afghanistan, in the region called Pushtunistan, on the eastern border of Afghanistan. Over ninety per cent of the inhabitants are Sunni Muslims. Later modernisation has penetrated into this State, and even less in the hilly areas near the border. In these places, the Pathans continue to live in the tribal framework as their fathers and forefathers did. The legal system operates according to the Pashtunwali," the Pashtun Laws, parts of which are similar to the laws of the Torah.
The Pathans are known for their physical strength. They are tall, light-coloured and handsome, good soldiers and for the most part bear arms from a young age. They are diligent and intelligent, faithful to an exemplary degree and are known in the world as outstanding hosts.
What is the Ethnic Origin of the Panthim?
The Panthim are not similar in their outward appearance or in their character to any of the ethnic groups which populate this environment: the Indian group-Iranians, Mongolians, Turks or Persians. Most of the researchers are of the opinion that the origin of the Pathans is indeed Israeli. The aliyah to Israel of Afghanistan Jews and the volume of evidence heard from them on this subject about the customs of the Pathans corroborate this idea.
Relationship to the Tribes of Israel
There is interesting evidence about the preservation among the tribes of family trees on their origin, and on their relationship to the fathers of the Israeli people. These family trees are well preserved. Some of them are penned in golden lettering on deerskin. The names of the tribes speak for themselves: the tribe of Harabni (in the Afghan tongue) is the tribe of Reuben, the shinwari is Shimeon, the Levani – Levi, Daftani – Naftali, Jaji – Gad, Ashuri – Asher, Yusuf Su, sons of Josef, Afridi – Ephraim, and so on.
The former monarchy in Afghanistan has a widely-spread tradition according to which their origin was from the tribe of Benjamin and the family of King Saul. According to this tradition, Saul had a son called Jeremia and he in turn had a son called Afghana. Jeremia died at about the same time as Saul and the son Afghana was raised by King David and remained in the royal palace during the reign of Solomon too. About 400 years later, in the days of Nebuchadnezer, the Afghana family fled to the Gur region (Jat in our times). This is in central Afghanistan and here the family settled down and traded with the people of the area. In the year 622, with the appearance of Islam, Muhammed sent Khaled ibn Waleed to the ‘sons of Ishrail’ to spread the word of Islam among the Afghanistan tribes. He succeeded in his mission, returned to Muhammed with seven representatives of the residents of Afghanistan and with 76 supporters. The leader of these people was ‘Kish’ (the name of the father of Solomon). According to the tradition, the emissaries succeeded in their assignment and Muhammed praised them for this.
The Place of the Assyrian Exile
According to the Bible (the second Book of Kings, Chronicles 1 and 2), the ten tribes were exiled to Halah and Havor and the river Gozan and to the cities of Maday. According to the tradition of the Jews of Afghanistan, the river gozan is ‘rod jichan’ (river in Persian is rod), one of the tributaries of the Emo-daria, which descends in the vicinity of the town of Maimane. The city of Havor is, they say, peh-Shauor (Pash-Havor’) which means ‘Over Havor’ in Afghanistan, and today serves as the centre of the Pathans on the Pakistan that the whole area populated the ancient Assyrian Exile. There are researchers who claim that all the Jews living in southern U.S.S.R. along the Emor-daria’ are the descendants of the ten tribes - the Bucharins, Georgians, etc. As we know, a group of ‘‘B’nei Yisrael’ some of whom settled in Israel, is also found in India and Afghanistan. The existence of the Pathan tribes is therefore in the heart of the area in which the ten tribes are found.
The Similarity of the Pathans to the Jews
The British, who ruled Afghanistan for a long time, found it difficult to distinguish between the Pathans and the Jews, and called the Pathans ‘Juz’ - Jews. The Jews, too found it hard to distinguish between themselves and the Pathans when the latter are not wearing traditional dress. Afghanistan has about 21 peoples and languages and only the Pathans, apart from the Jews, look clearly Semitic; their countenance is lighter than that of other peoples and their nose is long. Some of them also have blue eyes. Since most of them grow beards and sidelocks like Jews, this also adds difficulty to an attempt to distinguish between them and the Jews.
Jewish Customs
Even though the Pathans accepted Islam voluntarily and forcibly, they maintain Jewish customs preserved from the recesses of their past. The book contains considerable evidence taken from Jews of Afghanistan who lived in the neighbourhoods of the Pathans and had contact with them. The evidence doesn’t relate to all the Pathans or to all the tribes and places. However, it does prove the existence of Jewish customs among the Pathans. The research on this subject still requires completion, both quantitative and qualitative. Let us note the customs in headline form only: sidelock, circumcision within eight days, a Talith (prayer shawl) and four fringes (Tsitsit), a Jewish wedding (Hupah and ring), women’s customs (immersion in a river or spring), levirate marriage (Yibum), honouring the father, forbidden foods (horse and camel food), refraining from cooking meat and milk, a tradition of clean and unclean poultry, the Shabbat (preparation of 12 Hallah loaves, refraining from work), lighting a candle in honour of the Shabbat, the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) prayer (some of them pray turned in the direction of Jerusalem), blood on the threshold and on the two Mezzuzot (in times of plague or trouble), a scapegoat, curing the ill with the help of the Book of Psalms (placing the Book under the patient’s head), a Hebrew amulet (Kamia), Hebrew names (also. for neighbourhoods and villages), Holy Books (they especially honour ‘the Law of Sharif’ which is the Law of Moses), and rising when the name of Moshe is mentioned.
As for the Pathan law, they have laws similar to the Jewish law. The Magen David symbol is found in almost every Pathan house on an island in the Pehshauor district. The rich make it of expensive metals, the poor from simple wood. The Magen David can be seen on the towers of schools and on tools and ornaments.
Archaeological and Other Evidence
Apart from synagogues, Sifrei Torah, Hebrew placenames and tribal family trees, there also exists evidence on important archeological finds: near the town of Herat in Tchcharan, old graves were found on which the writing was in Persian and in the Hebrew language. The graves date from the 11th to the 13th centuries. In an opposite fashion, so it seems, there are a number of inscriptions engraved on rocks in ancient Hebrew script near the town of Netchaset.
In the ‘Dar el amman’ museum in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, there is a black stone found in Kandahar, on which is written in Hebrew.
It would be appropriate to end this article with one of the pieces of evidence. Mr Chiya Zorov of Tel Aviv notes: When the Bolsheviks rose to power in Russia, they divided the large area of the southern part of central Russia into smaller districts such as Tanjekistan, Turkemanistan, Kazchastan, etc. In Tanjekistan, which is in northern Afghanistan, there was a village by the name of Dushme. When Stalin gained power, he called the village in his name, Stalinabad. It started to develop and grow and many Jews then began to stream into Tangekistan. They found that the Tanyakis light candles on Friday evening. When the Jews went to visit them, they revealed that they eat a dish made of meat stuffed with rice called Pacha, which is characteristic of the Bucharian Jews and is eaten on Friday night. When they asked them what it was, the Tajiks replied that this is an ancient traditional food of theirs and its name is Pacha. They also said that they have a tradition that they were once Jews.
Rabbi Saadia Gaon discussed at length with the Hacham Hivay Habalchi and in the opinion of the speaker, in that period (10th century) the Jews were inclined to assimilate into Islam and it was about this that they were arguing.
The scholar Ibn Sina, born in Buchara, also lived at the time. The teacher Tajiki said that he, too, belongs to the Jews who were forced to convert, assimilated into Islam and are called Tchale. As recounted, the meaning of his name is Even Sina – son of sinal (and up to this day in many languages, and also in Hebrew, the words are similarly pronounced – Sinai, Sin Sina) and perhaps this is why he called himself Ben Sinai, in other words, son of the Torah which came forth from Sinai.
The Maharaja of Mardan was a scholar who completed his studies at the University of London and would often visit the converts of Mishhad who lived in Pehshaurf. He also visited a Jew called Carmeli, who told Mr Hiya Zorov that the Maharaja always said the day would come when they would learn to distinguish the origins of all people and then they would know that all the peoples in the vicinity of Afghanistan were once Jews. The Maharaja published a book in English and wrote of this in the introduction to the book. But the book was lost. There was a time when the author Hiya Zorov, with late President Ben-Tsvi, who considered it of great importance, tried to find the book, but in vain.
Some of the Bucharian Jews have a tradition that they are among the people of the First Temple possibly from the Ten Tribes, but he doesn’t know about this and afterwards they were joined by Jews from the Second Temple Exile.
Scribe:
Pakistani Cricketer Imran Khan who married Jemima Goldsmith is a Pathan

[Alchemist]

So what does this mean?

That hebrew was your original language?

Oh...so much for pashtun pride.

[Niazi]

For Those disparate who are trying too hard to make some kind of connection with Jews Arabs ,

Pashtun are not And never had any connection with Jews Arabs stop making crap out of thin air.

[graveyardofempires]

For Those disparate who are trying too hard to make some kind of connection with Jews Arabs ,

Pashtun are not And never had any connection with Jews Arabs stop making crap out of thin air.

can you elaborate?
why should we believe you?

[graveyardofempires]

according to some dna tests done on pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa (pakistan), pashtun had minimal j2 which is a semitic marker. so this theory seems quite stupid. for all we know some pashtuns might have invented this story of jewish descent to get prestige and be from the line Ibrahim (as). its all bullcr*p.

so you are saying our ancesters were attention seekers and full of ****'and you knwo it all?