Future Map of Loy Afghanistan(pukhtunistan)

[کیش]

Fair enough.

What I think is that Pashtuns could easily rundown the whole Pakistan, but they never wanted. They were manipulated in the name of Islam and they fought in Kashmir, so if they could fight for these Kashmiris , why not for themselves?

Islam has evolved as a very important factor in their life, so you might see Taliban rising up in our areas but I dont think there is a single Pashtun who would hold a gun for separation.

ANP also dodged our people, they have way too much corruption so people have very less faith.

If the imams preached Pashtun pride, the people will get the idea, and fight for their land back. The imams preach good anti-west messages, but if they limit that, and preach Pashtun nationalism, I belief the people will stand up.

[khushal]

If the imams preached Pashtun pride, the people will get the idea, and fight for their land back. The imams preach good anti-west messages, but if they limit that, and preach Pashtun nationalism, I belief the people will stand up.

The key is literature. Pashto literature have been neglected and suppressed by the state. Poets and literature intellectuals have been inprisoned for the past 60 years. Only recently you see pashto literature having some freedom in KP.

[کیش]

The key is literature. Pashto literature have been neglected and suppressed by the state. Poets and literature intellectuals have been inprisoned for the past 60 years. Only recently you see pashto literature having some freedom in KP.

You can't have Pashto literature when their is no education, to learn, and go beyond the basics. In KP, you won't find Pashto being taught passed year 6, I belief. In Afghanistan, you don't even need to know Pashto to live your life.

You could live in KP, and if you only know Urdu, its all right. Same as Dari, in Afg.

[khushal]

You can't have Pashto literature when their is no education, to learn, and go beyond the basics. In KP, you won't find Pashto being taught passed year 6, I belief. In Afghanistan, you don't even need to know Pashto to live your life.

You could live in KP, and if you only know Urdu, its all right. Same as Dari, in Afg.

Yes, but why teach pashto when their is no pashto literature. When you kill literature, you kill the language and the culture.

The farsibans have done a better job in preserving their literature. My father can recite way more poems in farsi than in pashto because the literature in farsi is so vast. My father told me he hated farsi at the beginning, he said to me when he fell in love with its poems, only then he made the effort to learn farsi. their has to be an incentive to teach pasho. Look at english, literature in english is more vast than any other language in the world. No other language comes even close to it.

[کیش]

Yes, but why teach pashto when their is no pashto literature. When you kill literature, you kill the language and the culture.

The farsibans have done a better job in preserving their literature. My father can recite way more poems in farsi than in pashto because the literature in farsi is so vast. Look at english, literature in english is more vast than any other language in the world. No other language comes even close to it.

The reason why, in America you take English courses from 5-18, then also in college.

I like esapxai idea of something like a EU partnership. Where Pashtuns get their nation so they can approve their plight, and Parsiwaans, Punjabi's their own. Also Baluch give them their nation so they can approve it. Once we approve, think of merging nations. We can compete with India, and china then.

Btw, this can happen, if you think positively!

[khushal]

well in pashtun areas of AFG the medium of education is pashto upto secondary level and even in some colleges. The problem is shortage of material in pashto not the demand. In KP the problem is that everything is available in Urdu and English so poeple don't need pashto books of science and geography and so on. The advancement of pashto is dependent on its active usage in all spheres of life and I think pashtun areas of Afghanistan will be the ones who will use it most. I have studied in peshawar and pashto is totally absent from education system and official documents. In Afghanistan pashto is at least used in official documents such as ID cards, bank notes and such. Our Kp brothers are in a hard situation where if they ask for their rights they are branded as anti pakistani and muslim unity.

These guys don't understand. Were talking about national inspirations, their talking about EU. You need intellectuals, intellectuals are moved by literature, literature is the key.

The EU model is inferior to the Pan Islamic federation model. I guess these guys a fan of secular models even though they are inferior.

[graveyardofempires]

i have to agree and disagree with alot of you especially when it comes to Pashto language.

I think pashto is doing good but not excelent
In Afghanistan we have the military commands,the military ranks in Pashto.the governmental posts,writing on the currency is Pashto,our national anthem is pashto,
we have Poetry sessions such as naranj gul,anar gul etc where pashto is celeberated in Form of poetry.pashto poetry has reached a a high level.offcourse we also have some Pashto tv channels as well local as,national,or international.there are Pashto Universities colleges and schools but not enough and certainly not enough school learning material in Pashto language.
pukhtun culture is the main factor in Afghanistan from clothing to social interaction,
the reason Pashto which is the official language of the country and spoken by Majority still doesnt have enough impact is because we Pushtane dont promote pashto enough or good enough.Many factors play a role,but the first one is the governement which doesnt promote Pashto enough.the second one is the people who dont promote it well enough or dont have the means such as media(tv radio,news papers,magazines),or the material(school/university books in pashto,medical books etc).Third one is the war which has them preoccupied so they are thinking about survivng rather than promoting Pashto.

We shouldnt feel threatend from other languages such as dari or urdu (both of which i can speak and read) instead we should work on promoting Pashto.

[کیش]

These guys don't understand. Were talking about national inspirations, their talking about EU. You need intellectuals, intellectuals are moved by literature, literature is the key.

The EU model is inferior to the Pan Islamic federation model. I guess these guys a fan of secular models even though they are inferior.

You didn't understand, what I meant about EU, I also didn't make myself clear either. I have to write an essay to fully explain myself, for know its something along the lines as giving each people their own land, to build. The current model of Afg/Pak is obviously a failure.

Pan islamic model? What is meant about that. Muslims are supposed to be united, and one people, but last I check their is around 50 separate nations which are predominately Muslim.

[khushal]

You didn't understand, what I meant about EU, I also didn't make myself clear either. I have to write an essay to fully explain myself, for know its something along the lines as giving each people their own land, to build. The current model of Afg/Pak is obviously a failure.

Pan islamic model? What is meant about that. Muslims are supposed to be united, and one people, but last I check their is around 50 separate nations which are predominately Muslim.

Its basically a federation of nations, like the US is a federation of states.

[کیش]

Its basically a federation of nations, like the US is a federation of states.

That's what I meant, I said EU as it's pretty similar to a federation of nations. I would love it for north Africa to southeast Asia to become like this, will it happen? Yes and no.

Yes, if people from their own ethnicity rebuild themselves, then work with their neighbors, the nations can turn into states/provinces.

No, is they still keep the mind state that they are in.

[Alchemist]

Hit a nerve did i? i remind you of Hitler, well you remind me of a typical Jew with your cunningness, your not a pashtun, what are you doing in this forum? your sarcasticness and stale sence of humour is not going to make you less see-through. maybe you should educate yourself in puppet leaderships before you mention that afghanistans leaders have always been pashtun. nobody mentioned nothing about isolation but if you think my proposition means being isolated then half the countries in the world are isololated. you dont think it will work why wont it? were not in need of your people, pashtuns have always defied the odds so dont give me crap about what century we live in because it doesnt make a difference.

You pretty much admitted that you are a hitler by calling me a jew and telling me to leave the forum because I don't belong to your race.

Then you try to slander me in half of your post, so whose nerve got hit, B?

Anyway, I still don't get what pakistani pashtuns want.
You want to break up Afghanistan, separate the 50% pashtuns from the rest, like the way Jinnah separated muslims from hindus in india? And how do you imagine you are going to do all that? And where is the rest going to go? You want to give Herat to Iran, Mazar e Sharif to Uzbekistan, Meymana to Turkmenistan, Badakhshan to Tajikistan ...and take the rest and join it to khyber? All this for the sake of FATA which has a rural population of only 4 million? or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?

Whatever all you guys say, the reality is that the Taliban in Pakistan coordinate themselves with the Taliban in AFghanistan - so really the leadership is in Afghanistan. Those mujahids don't come here on the forum and spit whatever nonsense ...they probably don't even care if it is loy Afghanistan or Loy Pashtunistan...and Alhamdullilah, their mentality is nothing like yours. If anything, they would most likely make arabic a mandatory language since it is the language of the Quran. And since the constitution of Pakistan and Afghanistan says that it cannot contradict the Qur'an, then practically speaking, all lawyers will have to be ulama of fiqh. This is why most of farsi is actually arabic and why the courts were based on dari, since it was closer to arabic. This is the bitter reality that most of you can't seem to deal with, so you come here to live out your fantasies.

[graveyardofempires]

That's what I meant, I said EU as it's pretty similar to a federation of nations. I would love it for north Africa to southeast Asia to become like this, will it happen? Yes and no.

Yes, if people from their own ethnicity rebuild themselves, then work with their neighbors, the nations can turn into states/provinces.

No, is they still keep the mind state that they are in.

so you are saying that we give up part of our country and disunite with our people and that somehow is in everyone's interest?Especially Pashtuns?

you know who would agree with you?

THIS GUY

[کیش]

GOE
Have Pashtuns advanced yet? With your beloved Parsiwaans?

I thought so, this is only way. Your against NATO, do you think the Taliban will progress Afghanistan?

[Alchemist]

^chop latif's head

[Alchemist]

GOE
Have Pashtuns advanced yet? With your beloved Parsiwaans?

I thought so, this is only way. Your against NATO, do you think the Taliban will progress Afghanistan?

do you think your beloved NATO will progress Afghanistan?