Future Map of Loy Afghanistan(pukhtunistan)

[کیش]

you are moron to fall for this paki propaganda

Afghanistan is a multi cultural country and nobody is controling others and it is pashtuns who are always in control and the rest are their feloow Afghans.

in the battle against british the military commander fo Amanullah khan was hazara and they were all united under their Afghan identity.
Loy Afghanistan goes both ways.
uzbekistan,tajikistan,turkmenistan<=LOYAFGHANISTAN =>punjab,sindh,india

What ever happened to Pashtunistan? Do you belief Parsiwaans would love to join Pashtunistan? Do you know any Parsiwaans?

What Paki propaganda are you talking about? Where did Manzerah lie? Pashtuns and Afghans in general dance around, and set of fire crackers for a Persian Nowruz holiday, yet attacked Pakistani Pashtuns for 23 March.

Hypocritical, isn't it?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

What ever happened to Pashtunistan? Do you belief Parsiwaans would love to join Pashtunistan? Do you know any Parsiwaans?

What Paki propaganda are you talking about? Where did Manzerah lie? Pashtuns and Afghans in general dance around, and set of fire crackers for a Persian Nowruz holiday, yet attacked Pakistani Pashtuns for 23 March.

Hypocritical, isn't it?

in all fairness, now ruz is 1000s of years old...pakistan...well my dada jana is older than their customs

[graveyardofempires]

listen let me say this one more time

LOY AFGHANISTAN IS DEAD

we conquered Herat and the North, the same way we conquered Kashmir and Punjab. The only difference is, we lost the latter while holding onto the former

but post 1979...we dont control the North anymore either.

All we have is our Pakhtun areas. If you want to unite, make your new country etc, you do it in your own areas. Ghazni to Attock. No more no less.

you should go and lock yourself up in a room cuz you are too scared to face the future.

you can have your little box somewhere you and your other little people can say "LOY AFGHANISTAN" is dead.

only a kafir will be against it

[graveyardofempires]

What ever happened to Pashtunistan? Do you belief Parsiwaans would love to join Pashtunistan? Do you know any Parsiwaans?

What Paki propaganda are you talking about? Where did Manzerah lie? Pashtuns and Afghans in general dance around, and set of fire crackers for a Persian Nowruz holiday, yet attacked Pakistani Pashtuns for 23 March.

Hypocritical, isn't it?

Parsiwaans are fully supporting pukhtane to regain their territories fro the ranjeeth singhs and british agents.

i know and live with parsiwaans,uzbeks,hazars,pashai,etc and they speak pashto with us ,how nice is that?

to hell with nowroz,if thats the best you can do to come up with anti Afghan aspirations than i guess you are not making much progress.

to me such term as pakistani pashtun doesnt exist,one can call a lion gidar all up sudden but sometimes lions are made to dance in the circus.

i guess you need to look at your cards one more time before beting too high.

[Alchemist]

you should go and lock yourself up in a room cuz you are too scared to face the future.

you can have your little box somewhere you and your other little people can say "LOY AFGHANISTAN" is dead.

only a kafir will be against it

easy tiger


amir said it is dead, it doesn't mean it can't be revived.

[کیش]

Parsiwaans are fully supporting pukhtane to regain their territories fro the ranjeeth singhs and british agents.

i know and live with parsiwaans,uzbeks,hazars,pashai,etc and they speak pashto with us ,how nice is that?

to hell with nowroz,if thats the best you can do to come up with anti Afghan aspirations than i guess you are not making much progress.

to me such term as pakistani pashtun doesnt exist,one can call a lion gidar all up sudden but sometimes lions are made to dance in the circus.
i guess you need to look at your cards one more time before beting too high.

I know Parsiwaans, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks and they all do not speak a word of Pashto, most do not even like them. They do not bother to learn the language.

In fact almost all Pashtuns know dari, and if they are in a group, while a Parsiwaan joins, they all will speak Dari, even if they can't. Why is that?

[asif86]

I think it has to do with what those 5 million tajiks did to the pashtuns of afghanistan.

Do you have source to suggest that they are only 5 million.

[graveyardofempires]

I know Parsiwaans, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks and they all do not speak a word of Pashto, most do not even like them. They do not bother to learn the language.

In fact almost all Pashtuns know dari, and if they are in a group, while a Parsiwaan joins, they all will speak Dari, even if they can't. Why is that?

where i live there are many pashtun and non pashtun families.
no way we speak dari when one farsiwaan joins us ,we speak pashto.
like i said i know two uzbeks who speak clealry pashto and one hazara (who is btw one of the elders of our community)who speaks pashto,i know tons of farsiwaans(kabulis) who speak pashto and i know pashtuns who hade forgotten their language and now thanks to my family they too speak pashto,the pashai guys clearly speak pashto above all we kick anyone's ass who will say a single anti pashtun thing.

one guy tried to be anti pashtun and wanted to be the head of our community (head of community is pashtun)he got kicked out by the Elders.

[graveyardofempires]

Do you have source to suggest that they are only 5 million.

it doesnt matter if they are 5 million or not ,they call themselves Afghans so this "how many" shouldnt matter.I havent heard a single pukhtun or farsiwaan in Afghanistan trying to distiguish themselves by ethnicity.

[khushal]

If I was a Lar Pakhtun I would never join ``Loy Afghanistan``, same if I was a non Pakhtun from Afghanistan

Ghaznavi,
A non pashtun from afghanistan has no where to go. Tajikistan dont want to accept afghan tajiks and uzbekistan dont want to accept afghan uzbeks. Iran dont want hazaras, they are kicking them out as we speak. Also they can not unite under one banner, they have historically hated each other and always bickered against each other. Tajikistan had its civil war and it blames it on afghan Tajiks. Uzbekistan had its armed struggle, again it blames it on Afghanistan. They don't want trouble and instability on their soil.

The majority of KP pashtuns today do not want to join Loy afghanistan unless their is an economic incentive for them. Their is friction in KP between poor rural pashtuns and urban elite pashtuns. The latter group is extremely pro Pakistan and they will do everything in their power to keep Pakistan intact. throughout Pakistans history and before, they have done everything in their power to depress pashto literature because it is language literature that inspires true nationalistic movements. Today we are seeing a rebirth of pashto literature in KP and through this rebirth of pashto literature people will slowly be inspired for something better for their people.
Afghanistan(pashtun and no pashtun people) will always be inclined to accept KP pashtuns because their is an economic benefit to them. They will have access to the indian ocean which afghanistan( both pashtun and non pashtun) have been striving for for over 100 years.
The question that should be asked is "is their an economic incentive for KP pashtuns to join Loy afghanistan" The possibility is there. There is huge amounts of natural resources in afghanistan and central asia that need to be brought to the open market. You can only do it through afghanistan.

Loy afghanistan can never die unless you somehow magically make the natural resources in afghanistan and central asia disappear. Remember in 1990, the CIA gave a report to the US congressional committee that the Soviet Unions economy is stronger than ever, and then the next year it collapsed.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

BLS, who do you think is going to unite Pashtuns on earth?

I dont see any movement going in that direction.

Tell me about your hometown, do you ever find average people over there talking about freedom/separation?

If we wanted , we could take it a 100 years ago, but we are always busy killing each other (tarbor wali).

That is a fair question, and it all depends on the political scenario. What happens in Afghanistan/Pashtunkhwa, what does NATO do or are doing, what happens to Pakistan's own policy (which from the looks of it is blowing back). There are many factors. However there is also necessity and I don't think these correct geographic settings can last, it is unnatural to maintain the durand line...so I don't see logically how it can stay. Also there are political parties available, the problem is that there are opportunists in them...and they have tweaked their politics to fit the times.

How many average people do you think engage in politics? Very very little (at best voting and sometimes protest)...but real politics like policy is done by the higher ups. This is true for the developed as well as third world.

Why don't we let the other ethnicities decide for themselves. I personally think they could accommodate our unity provided we start giving them their fair break. They don't have any real active separatist or political nationalist organizations to speak of. As long as Pashtuns are politically united or have a political/cultural agenda that is the important thing...the rest is semantics. Work on the basics first, the others will come in time.

[Midnight_Sun]

hahahha no its not like that :p we gona change the capital of wardag to saidabad :p LOL jk

so u r from maidan ? arent u wardak or u call ur self maidani ? :S

I'm Maidani, but born in Lashkargah, so I will only settle for Maidan Shar as the capital, or Kote Ashro.

[Niazi]

The nation stuck in the past Will not have future weather it's LOY or small.

[graveyardofempires]

The nation stuck in the past Will not have future weather it's LOY or small.

please move along

[khushal]

I know Parsiwaans, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks and they all do not speak a word of Pashto, most do not even like them. They do not bother to learn the language.

In fact almost all Pashtuns know dari, and if they are in a group, while a Parsiwaan joins, they all will speak Dari, even if they can't. Why is that?

The majority of pashtuns dont know how to speak dari. The only ones that do are the ones that went to school, or lived in an area with many farsibans in fact. Also it is the other way around as well, Farsibans tha have lived in pashtun areas have learned Pashto.

I have also run into farsibans that refuse to speak pashto because they have some inferiority complex, and also I have run into situations with pashtuns when one farsiban joins in, then they all start speaking farsi. I think its because they want to show off how much Dari they know since it is considered the sophisticated language. I have also seen this example with Urdu and English. Maybe its low self esteem "che kom ro na shee"