Ahmad Shah Baba -Battle of panipat

[Wahe Guru]

Arabs suffered from this too. Arabs were Polytheists before being Muslims.

So Arabs suffered the same exact fate as Indians.

Also, you are right that this happened but the majority of people in these countries converted to Islam because they believed it was the truth.

Just like in Indonesia, people did not embraced Islam by the sword.

I have another question for the hindus : is this picture real ?

A Hindu devotee with his neck pierced with a knife attends the “Chadak” ritual at Krishanadevpur village, north of Kolkata April 13, 2012. Hundreds of Hindu devotees attend the ritual, held to worship the Hindu deity of destruction Lord Shiva, on the last day of the Bengali calendar year. The photographer was unable to check the veracity of the action of this devotee.

(REUTERS/Rupak De Chowdhuri)

Arabs suffered from this too. - Lol not when the Arabs invaded Persia, but yes at other times when the boot was on the other foot so as to speak, like when those Mongols raided Baghdad?

Also, you are right that this happened but the majority of people in these countries converted to Islam because they believed it was the truth. - Of course. It ("the truth") is all proven by that Jewish guy Einstein

The picture ? It is somewhat more real than any photos I have seen of Jannah.

[Manzareh]

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And if ya dont know, now ya know

[asad71]

You aren't Zaid Hamid in disguise, are you?

I am not. Are you Narendra Modi in disguise? If your pagri/turban is real then you would remember the 1984 Sikh Genocide.

[JattApache]

Arabs suffered from this too. Arabs were Polytheists before being Muslims.

So Arabs suffered the same exact fate as Indians.

Also, you are right that this happened but the majority of people in these countries converted to Islam because they believed it was the truth.

Just like in Indonesia, people did not embraced Islam by the sword.

I have another question for the hindus : is this picture real ?

Well, the mughals ( babur ) and afghans invaded the north india ( and punjab ) and they killed so many people because they didn't wanted to convert, so they were killed
And I think that people of north india ( hindus and sikhs ) are the most brave people because they keep their religions against the jihads, in the contrary of some other people

[KhalsaWarrior]

I am not. Are you Narendra Modi in disguise? If your pagri/turban is real then you would remember the 1984 Sikh Genocide.

What has that got to do with the topic?

And why should I listen to somebody who has obviously never been to India and hasnt met more than 10 Hindus in his entire lifetime?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well, the mughals ( babur ) and afghans invaded the north india ( and punjab ) and they killed so many people because they didn't wanted to convert, so they were killed
And I think that people of north india ( hindus and sikhs ) are the most brave people because they keep their religions against the jihads, in the contrary of some other people

This is a gross misrepresentation; while it is true the Pashtuns did invade North India and took their liberties , there was no motive to really "convert"; the motive was just to pillage. Religion of course was used as a "rallying" cry and motivator but not "motive". Despite this many Hindus converted ANYWAYS, not because of a Muslim onslaught, but because those Hindus were largely disempowered in the traditional Hindu social hierarchy.. This was however an unintended consequence

Speaking more out of historical analysis; it CAN be argued that Sikhism was a Hindu reform movement. Of course this is not described in Sikh canon. However the time in which Sikhism arose; Sufi Preachers were dominating the scene and winning converts left and right. In fact Sikh writings detail the relationship of Guru Nanak with Fariduddin Ganjshakar. Who is considered a "Bhaghat" in Sikhism. The Impact of Islamic Sufism was so great that the advent of a Native Indian religion which would curtail conversions was a seemly response. However Sikhism itself whether overtly or indirectly tried to embody Islam's universalized character and customs while at the same time not subscribing to Islam. It wasn't really an attempt at retaining their culture. But rather winning back Hindus who were ore attracted to Islam.

The Violence of Muslims in India, while not always justified and often criminal; was primarily focused on the Upper Caste Hindus; who horded most of the Society's wealth and exploited the lower castes. So there was very little of this "Brave resistance"; rather it was a corrupt power structure and aristocracy, afraid of losing its status quo against an equally heinous invader. Not withstanding, many of the Muslim invaders did tremendous good and benefit, Sher Shah Suri, who was a Pashtun, built the grand trunk road in five years. This increased the wealth of the Indian subcontinent almost ten fold and elevated the poor of India tremendously.

Muslims in India were certainly no Angels, they did many wrong things; but the Hindus, were not some brave resistance as you may be trying to portray. Neither were the Sikhs.

[asad71]

What has that got to do with the topic?

And why should I listen to somebody who has obviously never been to India and hasnt met more than 10 Hindus in his entire lifetime?

Khalsa-ji, your being Narendra Modi is as relevant as the suggestion of my being Zaid Hamid. My dear Najumee, how did you manage to count how many Hindus I have met? There are plenty where I live. And I have many Sardar friends inside and outside India.
Sat Sri Akakal

[Afghanistan2010]

you shouldn't have these questions to ask as a muslim because reincarnation goes against everything islam teaches. enough shirking.

shirk is,when you make Gods (partners) beside the only God and there is nothing that is to be worshipped except he the most high,the Ar Rahman the Ar Raheem.


By the way :

That question by Adam was the peak of the mountain ...lol

khapa kijjgi da de hindu bachyan.

hindu be de kafer bachaywi che khlas shi , kho wos ye pregda.

[IamDZJ]

shirk is,when you make Gods (partners) beside the only God and there is nothing that is to be worshipped except he the most high,the Ar Rahman the Ar Raheem.


By the way :

That question by Adam was the peak of the mountain ...lol

khapa kijjgi da de hindu bachyan.

hindu be de kafer bachaywi che khlas shi , kho wos ye pregda.

kufur leads to shirk.

Also, the portrait of a decent Muslim does not allow room for one to go around mocking other people's religion as he would not want the same happening to him. You might want to reconsider your behavior here and try harder at pretending to be something you clearly are not.

Last week when I said that people like you expect others to respect their religion but themselves are not willing to do the same for others, you took the liberty of whining your ass off at my profile about how I was accusing you of something that was not true. Though I don't expect you to have an ounce of shame in you, I would suggest that you refrain from trying to explain yourself this time by making the same mistake twice.

[randolph85]

As far as India is concerned, it had a comparatively large population even in ancient times and whilst many in India converted to Islam (one reason/way or another), Hindus can be very stubborn and are strong believers in their faith, and all did not convert. In that regard Hindus were much stronger than the people of all those other countries which were conquered by "Muslims" i.e. Arabs.

BTW - I am not anti-Arab. I actually got many Arab friends.

lol the heck

i guess hindus and the egyptian copts were the strongest people to ever live. withstanding islam n all. oh and all those religious minorities in muslim countries.

don't think so highly of yourselves. if muslims were hell bent on converting every soul, do you think there would be a sikh left in afghanistan?

[JattApache]

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kufur leads to shirk.

Also, the portrait of a decent Muslim does not allow room for one to go around mocking other people's religion as he would not want the same happening to him. You might want to reconsider your behavior here and try harder at pretending to be something you clearly are not.

Last week when I said that people like you expect others to respect their religion but themselves are not willing to do the same for others, you took the liberty of whining your ass off at my profile about how I was accusing you of something that was not true. Though I don't expect you to have an ounce of shame in you, I would suggest that you refrain from trying to explain yourself this time by making the same mistake twice.

Very well said, He can't be a true muslim, because islam is a religion of peace, a true muslim respect everybody,
You are a true muslim because you are peacful, you don't care about other religion because you know that it's The kuffar, but you don't care, you don't mock them, you just only pray allah, the only one
But that's not his case, unfortunately, according to your religion, he is influenced by shaitan when he says such things

[JattApache]

So ahmad shah baba and all the invaders were not true muslims, because they invaded india for the pillage and looting

[Afghanistan2010]

kufur leads to shirk.

Also, the portrait of a decent Muslim does not allow room for one to go around mocking other people's religion as he would not want the same happening to him. You might want to reconsider your behavior here and try harder at pretending to be something you clearly are not.

Last week when I said that people like you expect others to respect their religion but themselves are not willing to do the same for others, you took the liberty of whining your ass off at my profile about how I was accusing you of something that was not true. Though I don't expect you to have an ounce of shame in you, I would suggest that you refrain from trying to explain yourself this time by making the same mistake twice.

Listen,smart-ass

Kuffar means disbelieve,when someone commits shirk he has disbelieved but there are different kinds of shirk,from minor to major.
But when you disbelieve you are not at the same time making shirk.And many disbelievers are not mushrikeen.

[faye]

i quite like the idea of reincarnation. if i was god i'd make all these sissy boys on pf, into men next life.

[KhalsaWarrior]

Khalsa-ji, your being Narendra Modi is as relevant as the suggestion of my being Zaid Hamid. My dear Najumee, how did you manage to count how many Hindus I have met? There are plenty where I live. And I have many Sardar friends inside and outside India.
Sat Sri Akakal

You spoke of holy war against Hind. Its an often repeated rallying cry by Zaid Hamid. Hence the connection.

But did you find anything hateful and aggressive towards Islam in my posts to call me Modi?