Ahmad Shah Baba -Battle of panipat

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Not yet.
The mughal/afghan rule was 1000 time worst than the british rule
The muslims ruled us during 800years, and the british ruled us during 100years
The indians resisted bravely against the jihads "al-hind"

1000 times worse? I will concede many heinous acts were perpetrated by Musims; but at least when Muslims ruled India, the wealth STAYED in India when British ruled India, it was reduced into a poor destitute wasteland. Even now despite India's space program and missile capabilities, very very few are enjoying wealth. The Indian Middle Class is growing, sure, but considering that India's poor are greater than the population of North America. This doesn't tell us much.

Point being, it's fair to criticize the events of the past, but criticize them with proportional weight.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's the Karma

==> ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma )

If that's the case, can it also be said it was Karma that India became the target for colonialization/Imperialism for thousands of years? I mean I'm not trying to be smug instigator here. Just trying to see if you'd apply that concept across the board.

[Manzareh]

Not yet.
The mughal/afghan rule was 1000 time worst than the british rule
The muslims ruled us during 800years, and the british ruled us during 100years
The indians resisted bravely against the jihads "al-hind"

what do you mean 'the muslims ruled us' i thought India is a secular country.

[Manzareh]

10000's of years have passed and will pass in the future as well, lakhs of afghnistani came here, and tried to destroy hinduism, how is that possible how can a tree destroy its roots and stand still. Though strategically ahmadbaba won, he was not able to win in the real sense, soon after the win at battle of panipat, why did he disapper in just 10 years, this battle was infact a very immature decision by muslims, infact after this battle muslim rule was officially over in india,after that battle within 10 years marathas came back and conquered the entire nation including pakistan, and abdali never dared to fight back again as he was not able to recover from the earlier battle itself...
Time has never stopped for any one, what you sow is what you reap, now its time for the afghanistani people to payback all the sins they did in the past, now for the coming few generations at lest , muslims of afghanistan will pray for freedom, peace, growth, and help. Just look at the difference, where india stands and where afghanistan. Praying is part of our culture and we will continue to do so, and our prayers do get answers results are infront of you, it all started with hinduism and will end with hinduism!!!!!!! hari OM!!!

You believe this because you believe in reincarnation, in your eyes when you are good you see the fruits of it in this world, like if you are good then you will be reincarnated into a fair skinned human man and if you are bad then you will be reincarnated into a dark woman that has to shop for fair and lovely cream, you see, its an on going cycle for you.....for us we dont judge whether Allah is happy with us if we become millionaires and live comfortably, who knows, somebody that has materialistic things in abundance with freedom,peace,growth and help as youve mentioned might infact die and go to hell forever, were as somebody that has gone through difficulties all their life might die and enjoy an eternity in heaven, who are you to judge the people of afghanistan as if your God.

Conclusion: dont project your religious beliefs or conclude the end outcome of peoples lives on your personal faith, not everybody shares the same beliefs as you, not everybody believes in hinduism.

[Al Hanif]

You believe this because you believe in reincarnation

I completely forgot about that !

I have a question for hindus :

During WWII, more people died on Earth than people were born.

Where did the souls go ?

[badmash_khel]

There is a reason Indians are pissed. Almost half of them have become muslims, 160 million benglis, 140 million in punjab, sindh and other historic indian areas, 30 million kashmir, 160 million in modern india. Thats quite a lot of previous hindus who have become muslims and aided the muslim invasions into India. I can see why Indians see them as traitors but they must move on.

[Manzareh]

I completely forgot about that !

I have a question for hindus :

During WWII, more people died on Earth than people were born.

Where did the souls go ?

They turned into animals, plants etc..and if they can reincarnate into objects then possibly your door handle or something.

[Khostai]

^Ow is that the reason that Hindus and budhist are vegetarian becuase, eating animals would be like canabalism if you think that there souls could be human...
But anyhow, if muslims did bad things for 1000 years and we are now suffering for only 30 years, it doesn't make any sence or are you saing that we gona suffer another 970 years to make it up??

[Wahe Guru]

I completely forgot about that !

I have a question for hindus :

During WWII, more people died on Earth than people were born.

Where did the souls go ?

Where did the souls go? You tell us lol?

[Al Hanif]

Where did the souls go? You tell us lol?

I have no idea of what is the answer according to hindu teachings.

Also, can an indian hindu be reincarnated into a white englishman or an afghan muslim ?

Or hindus can only be reincarnated into hindus ?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I have no idea of what is the answer according to hindu teachings.

Also, can an indian hindu be reincarnated into a white englishman or an afghan muslim ?

Or hindus can only be reincarnated into hindus ?

I have always wondered that

[IamDZJ]

you shouldn't have these questions to ask as a muslim because reincarnation goes against everything islam teaches. enough shirking.

[Wahe Guru]

There's no point going into it. All who came before the British, settled down and became Indians. So apart from the first few rulers, Indians were ruled by Indians. They added to the culture and society by being a part if it.

"So apart from the first few rulers, Indians were ruled by Indians." - Very true, but those rulers were Muslims and majority of population remained Hindus who were subjected to cruelty from time to time. Not all the time, because some Muslim rulers were good too. But that was the way the world was then - much worse than today. And also the Hindus were not totally defeated and most of the time participated in governance of the country and in the armies.

India was not the only place in history that was conquered.

Most of those countries that are predominately Muslims today were first conquered. Muslims did not suddenly spring up in lots of places overnight eg Arabia, Persia, Afghanistan, Turkey, ....

Lets remember (for example), "Arabs" conquered Persia. Any conquest involved (especially at that time) killings, looting, raping, making men, women and children slaves etc etc. So all (what I just wrote in bold) happened when the Arabs conquered Persia, then Afghanistan and elsewhere. ie numerous ancestors of Persians, Afghans etc were the victims of these conquests and suffered what I wrote in bold. Yet in most of these countries those victims are never thought about - except to some extent in Iran.

Subsequently the vanquished/defeated people in such places (Persia, Afghanistan...) became Muslims (for one reason or another).

As far as India is concerned, it had a comparatively large population even in ancient times and whilst many in India converted to Islam (one reason/way or another), Hindus can be very stubborn and are strong believers in their faith, and all did not convert. In that regard Hindus were much stronger than the people of all those other countries which were conquered by "Muslims" i.e. Arabs.

BTW - I am not anti-Arab. I actually got many Arab friends.

[Wahe Guru]

If i smoke weed in India, is there a chance im smoking a hindu reincarnated as a plant?

I can answer your question...after you make a movie in Jannah and post it on YouTube.

[Al Hanif]

Any conquest involved (especially at that time) killings, looting, raping, making men, women and children slaves etc etc.

Arabs suffered from this too. Arabs were Polytheists before being Muslims.

So Arabs suffered the same exact fate as Indians.

Also, you are right that this happened but the majority of people in these countries converted to Islam because they believed it was the truth.

Just like in Indonesia, people did not embraced Islam by the sword.

I have another question for the hindus : is this picture real ?

A Hindu devotee with his neck pierced with a knife attends the “Chadak” ritual at Krishanadevpur village, north of Kolkata April 13, 2012. Hundreds of Hindu devotees attend the ritual, held to worship the Hindu deity of destruction Lord Shiva, on the last day of the Bengali calendar year. The photographer was unable to check the veracity of the action of this devotee.

(REUTERS/Rupak De Chowdhuri)