Do Pashtuns have Identy Crisis?

[Wrayun]

^this is what happens when you confront narrow minded individuals with serious knowledge. In the hope of saving their face, their unsustainable minds start spewing incoherent mumbo jumbo in order to divert attention from their failure to present a better argument.

Epic comeback kid.

[graveyardofempires]

^this is what happens when you confront narrow minded individuals with serious knowledge. In the hope of saving their face, their unsustainable minds start spewing incoherent mumbo jumbo in order to divert attention from their failure to present a better argument.

Epic comeback kid.

your personal attacks indicate that your arguments are baseless and you want me to believe you and take your opinion as a fact.

if im narrow minded than you are swimming in a sea of ignorance.
sorry mr i dont take you as the ultimate all knowing and your sources are either corrupt or political.

[Wrayun]

your personal attacks indicate that your arguments are baseless and you want me to believe you and take your opinion as a fact.

if im narrow minded than you are swimming in a sea of ignorance.
sorry mr i dont take you as the ultimate all knowing and your sources are either corrupt or political.

Personal attacks? Awwww. After calling me RAW agent? Try again.

[graveyardofempires]

All tell you a funny story about Pashtuns and biblical figures. I was playing basketball with my Asian friend whose parents are church ministers. First he doesn't know who Pashtuns are yet alone of their maybe being descends of the lost tribes. So we were playing ball and all of a sudden my friend starts to laugh randomly. Am like what are you laughing at? He said "you know, you look like you just came out of the bible". I blushed like a school girl of course, but was like "what are you talking about?".

lol

[graveyardofempires]

Personal attacks? Awwww. After calling me RAW agent? Try again.

after you did many personal attacks such as "are you ten" keep your head int he sand,narrow minded etc.

the Raw agent story is actually funny and could apply to you.

[Alchemist]

The hadiths pertaining to this topic have existed for centuries. This is a site whose author has compiled all of such hadiths pertaining to the topic. Although you shouldn't pay much heed to his personal implications IMO just look at the hadiths. I wouldn't have reccomended you the site becasue I disagree with him on certain things but the hadiths are unchanged and there which is what you want to view.

israelis - armyofmahdi

Some can be found here in this database below but I have yet to find a collection of Ibn Majah, etc. viewable online.

CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

I 've stumbled on those sites before. The arguments are not compelling. They mix some strong ahadith with weak ones and only use associations of their own design to come to their conclusions. According to the eschatological ahadith in all books of ahadith, the mahdi will be born of the linage of Muhammed peace be upon him. To say that the followers of the mahdi will be pashtuns is far fetched because events during the End Times is only given by analogies. For example, the author claims that the mahdi's army will consist of non arabs by majority but also during the end times ahadith quoted by author says that 70,000 jews will also rise from the east and join the Dajjal. Even the theory espoused is delusional because it all comes to the belief that Kish is Kash. Just because its called Hindu Kush, now pashtuns are supposedly the sons of Kish, or Qais...This is not in any of the books of Sahih Ahadith.

Therefore, there is no proof from ahadith that pashtuns are jews.

[Pukhtoon007]

Wrayun wer do u get ur stuff from lol.????

this is wat happens when a people go through decades of degradation and and when their future is so bleak that they develop a false sense of greatness to relieve the agony of their lives. the only thing we got similar to the jews is that wer lost. it took the jews 40 yrs to find their way i wonder how long it will take us.

[Pukhtoon007]

That's not RAW theory. When in Dara and Tirah some Waziristani Mujahideen were killed by Pak army, word spread that some of them were not Sunnata. So everyone started thinking that Sikh and Hindus, dressed as Mujahideen have joined Tareekh-e-Taliban. hahahahaha Little did they know that these people are in fact from Waziristan. Though not that big on mutilating their genitalia like others. They don't make a big issue out of it, because naturally it is not part of their heritage or culture. Only recently, after Afghan-Soviet jihaad people got gungho on Sunnat, Tabligh, Salafiya, Wahabiya, Deobandiya, that some older people realized that opppssss, I'm not Sunnata, lets go to Pekhawar for some operation. Though in Islam this is not a big issue, like it is in Judaism.

so ur quoting an isolated incident lol and u have no proof of the incident actuli happening. so on wat bases are u arguing.

[Wrayun]

This is not an isolated incident nor Pakistani propaganda. Most of you guys are raised and bred in the West with little or no experience back home. What I have stated is well known facts of certain isolated areas where religion as practiced is not as strong as age old indigenous customs and practices. You can ask anyone in the medical profession in Pekhawar valley who come across these issues all the time. In the settled areas there are even jokes about these things, and Qabails are also taunted for it.

[Wrayun]

People of Waziristan are way more religious than Pakistanis. Many pakistanis still follow Hindu culture

It has nothing to do with religion, it is their independent tribal mentality, and it is that mentality that Arabs and others took advantage of. Baitullah, Metullah, Hakimullah, Dadullah, Kakulllah, Jajulllah and all the other lullah's and their tribal leaders are opportunistic with a narrow perspective of the world that doesn't go beyond the borders of their own villages. They are very easily manipulated, and religion is used by them to suppress the masses. Where is their religion when they are fighting and killing each other over tribal issues, and opposing Mujahideen groups? It's all about money and power. Just because they have long hair, big beards doesn't make them sahabiyan. How come other Muslims, particularly the Arabs, don't fight Jihaad as hard as these Pukhtoons? Are they following the wrong version of Islam even though Quran is in their own Arabic tongue? No, because they are no more tribalistic, and their loyalties are to their nations, not their regions of Wazristan or villages. They think in terms of citizens, and not tribal groups.

These people are being used, by their own and outsiders...whether they be Pakis, Arabis, Amreekis, Afghanis and what not.

Illiteracy, is a big issue.

[Wrayun]

^don't be so dense. I'm actually making the point that they are fighting not because of Jihad, but because of their tribal nature. Stop dishing me my own argument.

[graveyardofempires]

It has nothing to do with religion, it is their independent tribal mentality, and it is that mentality that Arabs and others took advantage of. Baitullah, Metullah, Hakimullah, Dadullah, Kakulllah, Jajulllah and all the other lullah's and their tribal leaders are opportunistic with a narrow perspective of the world that doesn't go beyond the borders of their own villages. They are very easily manipulated, and religion is used by them to suppress the masses. Where is their religion when they are fighting and killing each other over tribal issues, and opposing Mujahideen groups? It's all about money and power. Just because they have long hair, big beards doesn't make them sahabiyan. How come other Muslims, particularly the Arabs, don't fight Jihaad as hard as these Pukhtoons? Are they following the wrong version of Islam even though Quran is in their own Arabic tongue? No, because they are no more tribalistic, and their loyalties are to their nations, not their regions of Wazristan or villages. They think in terms of citizens, and not tribal groups.

These people are being used, by their own and outsiders...whether they be Pakis, Arabis, Amreekis, Afghanis and what not.

Illiteracy, is a big issue.

no way near it