Do Pashtuns have Identy Crisis?

[graveyardofempires]

thanks alchemist. i too have not seen any evidence for baba qais being of jewish tribe or descendent of Saul or Sulaiman RA (is Saul in the Quran?). the best conjecture that exists is the baba qais was from the ancient pashtuns who then travelled to arabia. also correct ancient pashtuns were budhists or like the nuristanis (formerly kafiristanis), ancient people of this land.

i too read the study about the community of black jews of south africa being the most suitable candidates for the lost jewish tribes - of course jews don't want to be associated with africa, since israelis were offered african land to create a home, which they refused and insisted on palestine.

i heard nuristanis were actually the ancient macedonian soldiers who settled in Afghanistan.
i wan to know why is there a mountain called sulaiman mountains and how far back does this name go.and why is there a legend about Sulaiman AS coming to that area and the place called takhte sulaiman.

and further why are our pashtuns always scared of thoroughly investigating this,i can understand that what is going on in palestine but this should not be confused with that.

why do Pashtuns look like they have jumped out of a movie based on biblical figures.
just look at some pictures of these guys from waziristan and you will see.

im not saying this can be true but i also am not saying this could be false but we should be open about some of the most important things such as our history.

[graveyardofempires]

This is your history according to our own and many other historians.

And where does it say that we are Persians? Let me guess, your only issue with the whole Aryan thing is that Persians also claim to be Aryans? So your dislike of Persians is enough for you to close your mind to facts?

Let me break it down for you. Aryan/Iranian doesn't mean Persian. These are linguistic terms that categorize languages with similar roots. Not only Parsi, but Punjaabi, Kashmiri, Hindko, and Hindi are also considered Aryan. Aryan is the title given to a group of people, that spread out into many branches, to whom belong all these and many other languages. It doesn't mean a specific group of people, it just means that all these people and languages share a common heritage.

Just because Persians or Germans dance around the fire with the term Aryan hanging from their neck, doesn't mean they own the term. The Persians only got this attitude towards this title after Europeans and German propaganda about the whole Master Race. Though being the bigots and facsist these people are, when they realized that they are also related by ARYANISM to "porch monkeys" like the Indians, they flipped the story on it's head and claimed the ARYAN INVASION theory of India. Because they had a hard time, and still do today, that they might be actually descendants of Northern Indians, who mutated further down the road with more of the paler and light features due to extreme colder weather of Europe.

Watch this video:

YouTube - Origin of White People Race (North European)

sorry but i dont buy it
there isnt much proof of what you are claiming
i dont believe in such mutation you are talking about,maybe the arian thingy was too famouse that even indians wanted to be arian.
so if we go by your logic than africans are arian as well and so are the semites.
i think people do change according to their surroudings ,for example if you live in a cold place you would probably have more lighter skin and if you live in a warm place its possible that you get a darker skin.
i still want to know more about this and dont want to be closed minded and follow blindly the arian theory.

[graveyardofempires]

I guess we should just say Pashtun is Pashtun.

The stories don't really matter, do they?

these stories do matter as a matter of fact this is one of the most important things that we should know on the seculer level.

[کیش]

why do Pashtuns look like they have jumped out of a movie based on biblical figures.
just look at some pictures of these guys from waziristan and you will see.

im not saying this can be true but i also am not saying this could be false but we should be open about some of the most important things such as our history.

All tell you a funny story about Pashtuns and biblical figures. I was playing basketball with my Asian friend whose parents are church ministers. First he doesn't know who Pashtuns are yet alone of their maybe being descends of the lost tribes. So we were playing ball and all of a sudden my friend starts to laugh randomly. Am like what are you laughing at? He said "you know, you look like you just came out of the bible". I blushed like a school girl of course, but was like "what are you talking about?".

[Wrayun]

BTW, for being descendants of Israelis, why are many qabail Pukhtoons na-Sunnata i.e. uncircumcised? If this comes as a surprise to you, then you don't know much about your own people, particularly the most isolated tribes. Ask any doctor from Pekhawar area, and those who are familiar with this little fact.

When Pakistani army killed a few Mujahideen in Peshawar area, they looked at their bodies and found that some of these men were not circumcised. So they all claimed that Hindus have joined Jihad with the Mujahideen of Waziristan. Those idiots just didn't know that people in these areas, many, are not circumcised. The reason for that is that circumcision is not a priority. Many of them still practice their ancient pre-Islamic culture. Also circumcision is done by a "nayee", a non-Pukhtoon, of lower status and class, which in isolated and segregated Pukhtoon areas like Waziristan, these people can't go or live.

While circumcision in Israelis is done by Rabbis, and considered a great thing, midst Pukhtoons those who perform it are considered lower caste and class.

You people are confusing what Islam introduced into the region, with the Parso/Afghan and Turko/Afghans, as "proof" of Israeli ancestry. This might be true for some of these Turko/Parso expansionists but not for the indigenous Pukhtoons of the area.

So much for circumcision on the 8th day.

[Wrayun]

sorry but i dont buy it
there isnt much proof of what you are claiming
i dont believe in such mutation you are talking about,maybe the arian thingy was too famouse that even indians wanted to be arian.
so if we go by your logic than africans are arian as well and so are the semites.
i think people do change according to their surroudings ,for example if you live in a cold place you would probably have more lighter skin and if you live in a warm place its possible that you get a darker skin.
i still want to know more about this and dont want to be closed minded and follow blindly the arian theory.

Keep your head in the sand. It doesn't mean the world disappeared, it means you choose to be ignorant about it. Your denial is not based on facts, because you provide little or no refute, but out of your own willful ignorance.

As my old uncle would say, "khenjoy" (enjoy).

[Wrayun]

This guy is actually Desi/Pakistani, but people think he is White/European. He is suffering from Albinism (mutation). He is famous on the Nadia Khan Show.

[graveyardofempires]

Keep your head in the sand. It doesn't mean the world disappeared, it means you choose to be ignorant about it. Your denial is not based on facts, because you provide little or no refute, but out of your own willful ignorance.

As my old uncle would say, "khenjoy" (enjoy).

LOL
you give me opinions of some non pashtun writers and a youtube video and want me to agree with your opinion and take it as a fact?

maybe i,ll find more reliable information looking in the sand that listening to someone who is parroting the standard version os history created by somenone who has no credibility.

i rather trust Islamic sources with what our own historians had to say instead of you and your sources.offcourse there is no harm in listening to you but please refrain from dictating your opinion as fact.

[graveyardofempires]

This guy is actually Desi/Pakistani, but people think he is White/European. He is suffering from Albinism (mutation). He is famous on the Nadia Khan Show.

doesnt prove anything

[Wrayun]

How old are you, 10?

j/k

[Wrayun]

More:



With his desi/pakistani/indian mom.

[graveyardofempires]

BTW, for being descendants of Israelis, why are many qabail Pukhtoons na-Sunnata i.e. uncircumcised? If this comes as a surprise to you, then you don't know much about your own people, particularly the most isolated tribes. Ask any doctor from Pekhawar area, and those who are familiar with this little fact.

When Pakistani army killed a few Mujahideen in Peshawar area, they looked at their bodies and found that some of these men were not circumcised. So they all claimed that Hindus have joined Jihad with the Mujahideen of Waziristan. Those idiots just didn't know that people in these areas, many, are not circumcised. The reason for that is that circumcision is not a priority. Many of them still practice their ancient pre-Islamic culture. Also circumcision is done by a "nayee", a non-Pukhtoon, of lower status and class, which in isolated and segregated Pukhtoon areas like Waziristan, these people can't go or live.

While circumcision in Israelis is done by Rabbis, and considered a great thing, midst Pukhtoons those who perform it are considered lower caste and class.

You people are confusing what Islam introduced into the region, with the Parso/Afghan and Turko/Afghans, as "proof" of Israeli ancestry. This might be true for some of these Turko/Parso expansionists but not for the indigenous Pukhtoons of the area.

So much for circumcision on the 8th day.

Please not that Indian RAW agents with Israeli connection theory.
you guys are too interested into looking at people's genitiles.

there is no proof of what you are saying,and with this post of yours now your credibility has gone down the drain.

people of these areas are not as isolated or segregated they move freely ,according to you people of waziristan are a new found people.

please stay in the line as you need much more education about this than me.

[graveyardofempires]

How old are you, 10?

j/k

my age is irrelevant to the discussion.

[Wrayun]

Please not that Indian RAW agents with Israeli connection theory.
you guys are too interested into looking at people's genitiles.

there is no proof of what you are saying,and with this post of yours now your credibility has gone down the drain.

people of these areas are not as isolated or segregated they move freely ,according to you people of waziristan are a new found people.

please stay in the line as you need much more education about this than me.

That's not RAW theory. When in Dara and Tirah some Waziristani Mujahideen were killed by Pak army, word spread that some of them were not Sunnata. So everyone started thinking that Sikh and Hindus, dressed as Mujahideen have joined Tareekh-e-Taliban. hahahahaha Little did they know that these people are in fact from Waziristan. Though not that big on mutilating their genitalia like others. They don't make a big issue out of it, because naturally it is not part of their heritage or culture. Only recently, after Afghan-Soviet jihaad people got gungho on Sunnat, Tabligh, Salafiya, Wahabiya, Deobandiya, that some older people realized that opppssss, I'm not Sunnata, lets go to Pekhawar for some operation. Though in Islam this is not a big issue, like it is in Judaism.

[graveyardofempires]

That's not RAW theory. When in Dara and Tirah some Waziristani Mujahideen were killed by Pak army, word spread that some of them were not Sunnata. So everyone started thinking that Sikh and Hindus, dressed as Mujahideen have joined Tareekh-e-Taliban. hahahahaha Little did they know that these people are in fact from Waziristan. Though not that big on mutilating their genitalia like others. They don't make a big issue out of it, because naturally it is not part of their heritage or culture. Only recently, after Afghan-Soviet jihaad people got gungho on Sunnat, Tabligh, Salafiya, Wahabiya, Deobandiya, that some older people realized that opppssss, I'm not Sunnata, lets go to Pekhawar for some operation. Though in Islam this is not a big issue, like it is in Judaism.

lol
as you said it "When in Dara and Tirah some Waziristani Mujahideen were killed by Pak army, word spread that some of them were not Sunnata".
so now you want us to believe as you call pak(only by name)army propaganda and their Indian RAW agent theory.

very very weak

mutaliting their genitalia?so that means you are circumsized?
are you and Indian RAW agent?