kakar pashtuns tribe hindu members

[hassanzai]

This forum and its allied sites are harmful for muslims and Pashtuns

as far as I know my father is a Ghilzai Pashtoon from Afghanistan. our Bar Khel is Hotak and our Lar Khel is Sakzai.

My mom is from a Middle Eastern country but her culture is also tribal.

Assalam-alaikum,

I found through much of the discussion that this pashtun forums, and the other sites attached with it are controlled by, kafirs(maybe jews or others) and non-pashtuns


Because i was replying to those who are employees of this pashtuns forums, if you see all my replies you will find that i am defending Islam and pashtuns against them, and their user ids (wrayun, toramana, hindupashtun, jasmine, sahil, aseerjaan, catyasher) they all attacked Islam, that too without knowledge and claiming pashtuns legacy.

Mostly they all maybe one person or different persons, they all are affiiated with PF CONTRIBUTOR, KNOWLEDGEABLE, SENIOR ETC they are all part of pashtun forums as employees, because these affiliations are given to the employees of pashtun forums only.

I didn't expect i am geting attacked in such a forum that too on the topic of Islam and pashtuns.

I want to leave this forum which is not for the pashtuns, just to force the pashtuns to become kafirs, very humiliating, I advice others also to leave and tell others it is a forum run by kafirs and its affiliate sites .

[ScimitarXEdge]

I noticed that many people here have claimed that such and such information has been documented in "this source" or "that source"

has anyone actually read these sources in their entirety or merely just blurbs and quotes?

Anyone with any ancient and/or pre-modern references please, for the sake of the discourse post the entirely passages making references of Pashtoons of ancient times in their entirety. It's not enough to say Ferishta said this or Biruni said that.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Assalam-alaikum,

I found through much of the discussion that this pashtun forums, and the other sites attached with it are controlled by, kafirs(maybe jews or others) and non-pashtuns


Because i was replying to those who are employees of this pashtuns forums, if you see all my replies you will find that i am defending Islam and pashtuns against them, and their user ids (wrayun, toramana, hindupashtun, jasmine, sahil, aseerjaan, catyasher) they all attacked Islam, that too without knowledge and claiming pashtuns legacy.

Mostly they all maybe one person or different persons, they all are affiiated with PF CONTRIBUTOR, KNOWLEDGEABLE, SENIOR ETC they are all part of pashtun forums as employees, because these affiliations are given to the employees of pashtun forums only.

I didn't expect i am geting attacked in such a forum that too on the topic of Islam and pashtuns.

I want to leave this forum which is not for the pashtuns, just to force the pashtuns to become kafirs, very humiliating, I advice others also to leave and tell others it is a forum run by kafirs and its affiliate sites .

Whatever their motive we can't disparage people just on the assumption that because they don't agree with certain Pashtoon mythologies that they're out to dislodge Islam from amongst the Pashtoons.

My problem isn't insomuch that they claim such and such, but they're implying such and such are likely cases based on evidences which are so scant they can't be really strong evidence for much. Furthermore their claims are supremely irrelevant to the population base of Pashtoons in 2010/2011, which as you saw certain responders tried to steer into some debate regarding ancient historical origins of Pashtoons and tried to portray it as relevant.


The person named HinduPashtun, should change their name to PashtoSpeakingHinduMultani as that would be more accurate.


I won't completely disregard your assertion that this "PashtunForum" might be some sort of smokescreen for some politicized disinformation agenda; but don't entertain conspiracies until you have more meritable proofs.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hassanzai


I don't know how someone can praise Hinduism; it possesses such a dysfunctional set of principles that I'm at a loss to even claim that it even has principles.

Now I can see certain aspects of Hinduism might be meritable;' but that's maybe 3 % of Hinduism, and I'm being generous when I say that. There are certain aspects of Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita that I admire; and then the rest is just daydreams.

[Catya Sher]

ScimitarXEdge wrote:

"Whatever their motive we can't disparage people just on the assumption that because they don't agree with certain Pashtoon mythologies that they're out to dislodge Islam from amongst the Pashtoons"

Thanks for making a general distinction.
I can't speak for anyone else named above, but I am always for Islam first.
I have never attacked it, that I know of!

I just like to dissect everything and get to the exact truth
SO to understand ages past in a more accurate light.

For example, the myth that Khalid ibn Walid was the ancestor of Pashtuns.
If someone says this is unlikely, it does NOT mean he or she is against Pashtuns!

Hindupashtun is a distinct person, not the same as any of the posters mentioned. He has been polite as far as I have seen toward Islam, unlike the Indian members who swooped in trying to put forward pro-Indian propaganda at every turn. Thank God, some of them are quiet now.

I'm speaking of people like "drona" who chose a very unpleasant username. He was like a big distraction always ruining threads, in my opinion, to show Indian superiority over Muslims. That's my impression; I might be exaggerating because I didn't like to read his posts.

hassanzai,
Please don't leave !
We need your frankness. It's critically important.

Scimitar, I picked the canteloupe color so as to not sound intrusive,
that's cool that you have a Yemeni mother.
I love that country, it's really special. I was just there one day, but went way inland to see the most traditional areas where tourists don't think to go.
It was unforgettable, the people, those colorful khanjars, the panoramas of desert and mountain.

[Wrayun]

Assalam-alaikum,

I found through much of the discussion that this pashtun forums, and the other sites attached with it are controlled by, kafirs(maybe jews or others) and non-pashtuns

Because i was replying to those who are employees of this pashtuns forums, if you see all my replies you will find that i am defending Islam and pashtuns against them, and their user ids (wrayun, toramana, hindupashtun, jasmine, sahil, aseerjaan, catyasher) they all attacked Islam, that too without knowledge and claiming pashtuns legacy.

Mostly they all maybe one person or different persons, they all are affiiated with PF CONTRIBUTOR, KNOWLEDGEABLE, SENIOR ETC they are all part of pashtun forums as employees, because these affiliations are given to the employees of pashtun forums only.

I didn't expect i am geting attacked in such a forum that too on the topic of Islam and pashtuns.

I want to leave this forum which is not for the pashtuns, just to force the pashtuns to become kafirs, very humiliating, I advice others also to leave and tell others it is a forum run by kafirs and its affiliate sites .

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hassanzai,

Welcome to the internets, where your ignorance is challenged by ideas different to yours. Where you go home crying to mommy when your world views are shattered.

[Admin Khan]

Assalam-Alaikum Hassanzai,

i had talk with the adminkhan and he said that he is an employee there

I have seen many people lie, but you my friend top the list. The only conversation you and I had, was you apologizing to me over private message for your ridiculously harsh attitude to those who don't conform to your beliefs. Where in the world did I say half of the stuff you claimed I said? And Mr.Genius, those ranks you see beneath a user name doesn't mean they are employees. I don't even think I have to explain myself.

Wrayun? Catya Sher? Sahil? Attacking Islam? You need to see a doctor, as soon as possible my friend. Stop with your conspiracy theories, the forum is as transparent as it could be. And as the person who has started this community, you can feel free to visit me. I don't mind having face to face to discussions over some green tea, I am almost done with my finals anyway. Hospitality is one of my favorite aspects of our culture.

[kakargirl]

first i dont like the way sahil got attacked as i know him too well hes from a very good pashtun family and i respect him hes a year younger than me but very smart ,as for tormana wror hes who he is hes not using any different id at all hes one person not differnt ids catya sher has never attacked islam but defended it a numerous occasions and as for admin khan wror i respect him ,hes my wror from my own people he's very fair to all as he started the forum he dosn't want anyone feeling unwelcomed on here as for jasmine and wrayun i cant say much i dont know them at all so hard to say anything .

[kakargirl]

today i found out something very intersting kakar son of dani was also looked up to as a very pious man alot the pashtun in afghanistan still call him kakar baba the pious man he was a good muslim he had no hindu son , as for the land distribution what barakzai abdali wror mention is true hindus dont own any strip of land and land is very important its a identity and a very important one as my father confirmed all the conquering was over land as for centurys there was no other scoures of income so familys lived off land and toughest people would always take over so they did that too and as the religion before kakar was born before his fathers birth was zoroastian religion not hindism the zoroastrians believed in some sort of god who was very powereful he controlled the sun and the moon these two things played a very important part for them the sun and moon hindus have been in that area but again they dont belong to this muslim kakar as he was born after islam arrived to a muslim father now as for if these hindus kakars are converts to hinduism that only they will know .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I agree fully with Kakargirl and I think that Kakar Baba's grave is between Kandahar and Herat near a large masjid if what I remember is correct. There are other predecessors buried in a similar way, like Malik Sado and Wazir Khan Saib. One day, when DNA studies become available I think that quiet a bit of the traditional tribal structure may be confirmed. If even a half of it can be confirmed then that will be an impressive feat with all the moving and renaming etc.

[kakargirl]

I agree fully with Kakargirl and I think that Kakar Baba's grave is between Kandahar and Herat near a large masjid if what I remember is correct. There are other predecessors buried in a similar way, like Malik Sado and Wazir Khan Saib. One day, when DNA studies become available I think that quiet a bit of the traditional tribal structure may be confirmed. If even a half of it can be confirmed then that will be an impressive feat with all the moving and renaming etc.

wrora your absoultly right he is buried in outside the gates of central jamia masjid herat theres a big tomb there .

[sahil112]

Assalam-alaikum,

See if you are a muslim you must say yourself first as Muslim then as pashtun, arab, european, aryan,chinese. Because in Islam Allah has defined in the holy book Quran, that who reads the kalima to become a muslim, should be called as muslim, then as his race or ethnicity or family,etc.

w/salam

do you talk before you think? couse it seems like that. i said i have heard it before i did not say i believe it directly.

dont attack or you will piss me off

peace be with you

[sahil112]

whom you are asking he is the same person who claims to be hindu pashtun kakar, and is an employee of pashtunforums, i had talk with the adminkhan and he said that he is an employee there, so he is coming through different ID'S maybe his real face is in the ID of sahil i don't know, because from all these ID'S i found they are praising hinduism and attacking Islam and pashtuns

I dont know if this forum is run by any hindu groups, by hijacking the name and culture of pashtuns, they may be trying to confuse innocent pashtuns,

Beware there are many plots hatched against Islam and pashtuns, i think this is one of them and the other sites related with it

you watch way to many movies you need to grow up son

[Toramana]

After briefly perusing the link you presented to me; I don't see how it trumps my speculation; in fact it affirms it. It even asks the same question that is implicit in my writing

; "And are Pashtuns originally identical with the Afghans?"; the author, Vogelsang writes.

It's not ironic that in the same book you're citing it speaks of Pashtoons not originally inhabiting those regions but migrating to them at a later date; saying "Mountains West of India" is NOT very precisely by a long shot.

That's like saying that Americans live in a country West of Russia!!! (by the way this is a Fallacy of Composition).

There are quite a few plausible reasons why the name became eventually identified with Pashtuns; For example certain accounts one type of peoples became mistaken as those same people for the same reason you're assuming that because Pashtuns now inhabit Eastern Afghanistan, that means they always did.

Vogelsang's own words indicate that the historical identification of Afghan to Pashtoon is very liquid.

I wonder how do you twist the almost explicit statements in the source I cited to fit your argument....Immediately after Minsky mentions the uncertainty revolving around the link between avagan (Hindu sources) and apokein (Thusan Song), he says there are "reliable refrences" to Pashtuns/Afghans in Hududul Alam...

[ScimitarXEdge]

Read more carefully

He says the WORD Afghan is mentioned in Hudud Al-Alam, WORD, he never says this indicates these were in fact Pashtoons. That's why Vogelsang postulates the question

"And are Pashtuns originally identical with the Afghans"?

Remember the word Afghan is a FOREIGN applied word and not a native word.