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    The Kochi tribe are one of the major tribes of Afghanistan, a very nomadic although they claim to be from ancient warriors of Kushans but from many evidence which points out that Kushans belonged to a mega tribe of Asia known as "The Saka". Nevertheless the are many tribes within Afghanistan which claim to be descendants of "Saka" known in Indian texts as "Shaka" but there are two major and populated tribes that can brings together the two far divided tribes closer then ever. The confederated mega tribe of Abadaliates (Approximately 10-13 million individuals today known as Durrani) and the Mega Ghalzai (9-11 million individuals also known as Ghalji, Ghilzi) , the sub tribes within both Confederacy tribes claims to have links with one and another. From the Durranis there are alone a single tribe of 2.5 million individuals belonging bear the name Sakazai or (Known to Iranians as Sagzi). The Sagzi belongs to Western branch of Durrani known as "Panjpai" meaning the the "Five"-Panj "Alive" Pai. There are approximately 8 million people belonging to this branch living in Eastern Part of modern Iran, Western Part of Afghanistan.


    Although both ethnic tribes (Durrani and Ghalzai) would dislike to hear that both of them share the name of an ancient tribe "Scythians", and most likely to dispute in terms of claiming the whole tribe as their own. However one does study their tribal names, the local folklores and the family trees of these tribes would come to a conclusion that there are sub-tribes within both mega tribes whom share same ancestral links.

    Indeed the nomadic Kuchi tribe being the only one of its kind living in the same condition as thousands of years ago, owning land in north and south for their seasonal pasture, breeding, etc can be well suitable to Kushans and their style of living. Dispute owning a huge land the Kushans for some long time did not bother to build a firm capital. The Kushan empire were famous for their nomadic live style. There are tribes within kuchi which claims to be direct descendants of the loyal family the founders of Kushani empire. Further more the name "Kuchi" fits well with the description of "Chinese" historians and Buddhist Monks which often mentioned the word "Yuchi" or "Houchi" there is no doubt that Chinese description of Yuchi and modern Kuchis same or one.


    Indeed there many other tribes who bears the name "Saka" but Sakazai being over 2 million (If the Durrani claim of Ashakzai or Ashakazai being Saka is really true then it would surpass population of 4 million) is a well example of how there are large number of People with as high as the city of Barcelona the 2nd largest city of Spain. Therefore we shell conclude that Sakazai a major well known Western tribe of Abdalaite confederacy and 2.5-3 million Kuchi of Ghalzai confederacy belongs to the same Ancient tribe of "Aryana" the Sakas famously known as "Scythians", whom once lived in the region known as "Sakastan" a regional name dated back to be known by this name some more then 3000 years old.

    Aside From Nomad Ku chi there are many other Tribes who bears the name Saka the Biggest ones are mentioned included those who have greater populations such as fallows Sagzi (Sakzai)(Panjpai), Eshakezai or Ishakazai (Panjpai), Saka Khel (Belong to Kakar tribe but their population have not been known), and Atsakzai (Zehrak). It Shows that Regardless what had Happened During Islamic Era or Before there is denying that Modern Tribes belonging to so many Tribes and from the two confederacies once belonged to one tribe that has been widely mentioned in Both Re Vada Awesta Gathas and many historical sources that the region (From Quetta/Zabul/Ghazni/Kandahar/Helmand/Nim­roz the land of some 22 million individuals belonged to a nation of Sakas called Sakastan. From Which total of 6-8 million alone can be traced back from these 4 tribes (Sakzai/Saka Khel/Eshakazai/and Atsekzai) above all of which calls Sakastan their homes, (Exclude Ku chi's in amongst since they are more of Northerners and trace themselves to Kushans)
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    *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

    Originally posted by Karachi
    like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

  • #2
    Great post Manzereh ror. Der alaa.

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    • #3
      wow! thank you so much wrora, I have been reading about the Sakas and Sakastan and this is help full.
      can you give me a link or a source or something ?
      thanks

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      • #4
        Salaam Edris, i see you are interested in our origins as much as i am, I have not seen a research with enough proof to academically convince one of Sakas' direct relationship to any group of people from pashtuns to albanians to scotsmen, though there is more likelihood that Ossetians, Parthians (non-existent) and Pashtuns are at least partially descended from Sakas. In particular Pashtuns have a province, Sakastan (Sistan, a province in south-west Afghanistan) and a tribe called Sakazai. Additionally in Pashtu there is a word, saka, which is referred to the blood brother and is believed to have stem from the extra ordinary quality of sakas being supportive of each other.

        One of the earliest references of sakas was made by Muryans who were given some of the Pashtun lands by Greco-Bactrians (the Macedonians of Bactria) in exchange for them to make a peace deal. They complain of the guerilla war sakas/shakas had waged against the muryans in what is today's Kandahar/Helmand, Swat and Kunar.

        There is also a historical record which indicates the Kushans assisted their 'cousins', the Parthians, in taking on the Medians in Mesapotamia and giving them a crushing defeat. As I indicated previously, sakas despite having internal issues among the clans were sympathizer/supportive of each other at the critical times. This leads us to believe that if Parthians were Sakas then Kushans (the cousins) should also be sakas and therefore, the Pashtuns.

        Indeed sakas had the greatest influence on both Pashtu and Pahlavi (language created by Sassanids) languages.

        Alot of the research iv done iv compiled together talking to various historians,intellectuals certain books and reliable websites but unfortunatly iv not noted the specific refrences down, I don't promise but I try to give you a thorough summary in the future of the sources iv used inshaallah
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        *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

        Originally posted by Karachi
        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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        • #5
          Thanks I have met a Sakzai from Helmand here in Herat and surprisingly he knew about sakas.
          Helmand,Kandahar,Frah,parts of Herat and parts of Ghour were called Sakastan.

          Saka was actually a Persian word giving to them as is Shaka an Indian word.
          Thanks I would appreciate that.

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          • #6
            That is a nice post...But if you organize this all in a systematic way. Why not write a book? Besides, research some more into it.

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