Why are Pukhtuns from Afghanistan so conservative?

[PFgulalai]

Gulalai,
I do want to respond. If it was anyone else I would have responded with an essay. Yesterday me and BLS had a discussion. We disagreed but he know I respect him. You and I know you will later mock me under disguise and say we are spammers or that we are you know what. There was a time on PF where we had serious discussions and both side respected one another these little cliques never existed who later insult you in other threads or via Profiles visitor messaging. I had respect for you but when I saw a few posts of yours Id rather remain quiet. When I know you don't respect me why should I even bother?

No offence. May Allah bless you.

Kha kana, sama da. Pa makha de kha.

[khyaal]

Nashnalyan pa PF ke shpa aw wraz tablighat kawi. Ta ta za wrund khkaregam?

Aw za drwagh na wayam.

PKMAP da ka ANP. Farsi ke wayi che sage zard, byadare shaghal ast
No difference what so ever.

che dwa dre khabare pa pakhto ke wolekee nu maata andaza woshee che da kas pa pekhawar ke paate shawe de aw ka na.

" Zerr spai de gidar wror dai. " dagha kho waja da che mong darta wayo che da zaana da ISI da lakai prekra nu bia zamong pokh wror ye.

[شمله ور خراساني]

che dwa dre khabare pa pakhto ke wolekee nu maata andaza woshee che da kas pa pekhawar ke paate shawe de aw ka na.

" Zerr spai de gidar wror dai. " dagha kho waja da che mong darta wayo che da zaana da ISI da lakai prekra nu bia zamong pokh wror ye.

za de hagho khalko wrorwali na manam che khoshe khabari kawi aw al wallaa wal baraa bande napohigi aw kuffaro sara walar die de musalman per khilaf.

[khyaal]

za de hagho khalko wrorwali na manam che khoshe khabari kawi aw al wallaa wal baraa bande napohigi aw kuffaro sara walar die de musalman per khilaf.

Kuffaro sara kho taso hum las (10) kala da musalmanano khilaf malgartia kare da. btw, in Pashto there is no "ff" (no stress) in kuffar, it is Paki accent.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Kuffaro sara kho taso hum las (10) kala da musalmanano khilaf malgartia kare da. btw, in Pashto there is no "ff" (no stress) in kuffar, it is Paki accent.

kuffaar is Arabic. Not Pashto.

And Khaqlis & Parchamis are not Muslims.

[PFgulalai]

Saying 60% of the posts here are spam, maybe Gulalai post come into that spam, its just all a matter of opinion. Like the saying one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Of course, my posts are spam..look at the 7 posts that I made in this thread..all irrelevant to the topic and hence spam. And this is one another spam.

[khyaal]

kuffaar is Arabic. Not Pashto.

And Khaqlis & Parchamis are not Muslims.

Kuffar is surely an arabic words but Pashtun pronounce it without stress on "f". This exposes Pakis influences on your personality.

[Mayana]

Define conservative.

[muhsina]

Why our people possess dead brain cells and have transformed their grey matter to dark one to misinterpret something of genuine concern by Toramana . I think what Toramana meant was that:

If the inhabitants of the bar watan are free [atleast in their lifestyle if not economically] why are they still under the shackles of religeous clergy [as most of these religeous bigots uphold and spread religion just to keep their market value in the society instead of an honest inquiry into truth and reality]?

Why is it that the free nature of Afghans have not motivated the inhabitants of the bar watan to disover new technology and rise as a developed nation like other freedom loving nations with glorious histories?

Why is it that the Pakis are smart enough to make a nuclear bomb and have a professional army whose one col Imam can play with the whole damn fate of a whole nation and Afghans are happy to play in their hands?

Why is it that the proxies of Punjabies can rule over entire Afghanistan just by hypnotising some religeous bigots and sell outs like Gulbadin and Mulla Omar and the inhabitants of the bar watan are happy and even defend rather intellectualise their defence by calling themselves as Mujahideen while forgetting the fact that they were used as cannon fodders for the US to make US the sole super power?

Why is it that even 50 years old states have achieved economic independence atleast while Afghanistan which is a 250 years plus old state still is a underdeveloped failed state and its inhabitants are still opting to go for those retrogressive thoughts which bring nothing to a state except sectarianism ,hatred and narrow mindedness?

When will the inhabitants of Afghanistan realise that they need to improve their quality of life and rise as a nation a respectable nation instead of depending upon one or another country and that the only way to achieve that is not to intellectulise their current status and justify it under the labels of religion or Islam or whatever but by hating the life of poverty and dependency?

I talk from the perspective of a person from an occupied Pakhtun land and we love to see our mother land Afghanistan prosper and progressing and while we become half dead when we see that our motherland is encouraging people who are sellouts and traitors of the soil and would sell their so called faith for some bucks to the officers of Pakistan army and intelligence agency just because they believe in the same mis conceptions about life and universe as do our Afghans brothers and sisters.


I would urge you guys to give the questions raised a serious heed and ponder over the questions as a first step towards self criticism and hence progress so that Afghans of the bar watan move forward instead of taking such mature questions childishly as offence to your juvenile egos.

The Afghans of the lar watan are still occupied and need to free themselves from the chains of Punjab's slavery.

[BehavedMaseed]

A good example of this is when Sangar said he would prefer a Punjabi,Arab etc than a Pashtun Secularist. When he means Punjabi, he means Jihadi Islamist Punjab such as col imam,hamid guls etc. If Pashtuns choose to work for the betterment there will be enough of Afghan Jihadis to side with Pakistan Clerics to kill us all just as they did to Daud and joined hands with bhutto.

Kind Regards

[Baygham]

yes, you are right. You have a slave mentality. You like slavery so much that you promote slavery for Afghanistan by supporting America.

You are a wahabi slave of the saud family, and a smaller slave of the ISI ahli-hadith wing. Ever thought of that. Probably the british wrote half of your wahabi literature to topple the ottomans a hundred years ago. So who is slave of who.

[BehavedMaseed]

You are a wahabi slave of the saud family, and a smaller slave of the ISI ahli-hadith wing. Ever thought of that. Probably the british wrote half of your wahabi literature to topple the ottomans a hundred years ago. So who is slave of who.

He also posted a thread about will you save an ISI agent or a Raw Agent and he was shocked to see nobody wud save a ISI agent.go check it out on his threads hes posted

He even went onto saying that as long as the ISI agent is a Muslim he will save him no matter what.

Kind Regards

[ijaz yousafzai]

Why our people possess dead brain cells and have transformed their grey matter to dark one to misinterpret something of genuine concern by Toramana . I think what Toramana meant was that:

If the inhabitants of the bar watan are free [atleast in their lifestyle if not economically] why are they still under the shackles of religeous clergy [as most of these religeous bigots uphold and spread religion just to keep their market value in the society instead of an honest inquiry into truth and reality]?

Why is it that the free nature of Afghans have not motivated the inhabitants of the bar watan to disover new technology and rise as a developed nation like other freedom loving nations with glorious histories?

Why is it that the Pakis are smart enough to make a nuclear bomb and have a professional army whose one col Imam can play with the whole damn fate of a whole nation and Afghans are happy to play in their hands?

Why is it that the proxies of Punjabies can rule over entire Afghanistan just by hypnotising some religeous bigots and sell outs like Gulbadin and Mulla Omar and the inhabitants of the bar watan are happy and even defend rather intellectualise their defence by calling themselves as Mujahideen while forgetting the fact that they were used as cannon fodders for the US to make US the sole super power?

Why is it that even 50 years old states have achieved economic independence atleast while Afghanistan which is a 250 years plus old state still is a underdeveloped failed state and its inhabitants are still opting to go for those retrogressive thoughts which bring nothing to a state except sectarianism ,hatred and narrow mindedness?

When will the inhabitants of Afghanistan realise that they need to improve their quality of life and rise as a nation a respectable nation instead of depending upon one or another country and that the only way to achieve that is not to intellectulise their current status and justify it under the labels of religion or Islam or whatever but by hating the life of poverty and dependency?

I talk from the perspective of a person from an occupied Pakhtun land and we love to see our mother land Afghanistan prosper and progressing and while we become half dead when we see that our motherland is encouraging people who are sellouts and traitors of the soil and would sell their so called faith for some bucks to the officers of Pakistan army and intelligence agency just because they believe in the same mis conceptions about life and universe as do our Afghans brothers and sisters.


I would urge you guys to give the questions raised a serious heed and ponder over the questions as a first step towards self criticism and hence progress so that Afghans of the bar watan move forward instead of taking such mature questions childishly as offence to your juvenile egos.

The Afghans of the lar watan are still occupied and need to free themselves from the chains of Punjab's slavery.

This is a very balanced,thought provoking and well- concieved analysis of th Afghan/ Pashtun dilemma living in Afghanistan. It seems that they can be exploited and misused on the name of religion for the next 100 years.

[Michin Khel]

I dont think that people of pakhtunkhwa are that much progressed, they are also very conservative like Afghans.

[BehavedMaseed]

Its a phase nations go through. Sadly the Pashtun region is no different than how the christians were in the medevil time. During General Zia era, there was a image promoted about Pashtuns, that Pashtuns only equal Islam and If your not a follower of Islam means your not a Pashtun ignoring the fact our history outdates the invention of Islam.

People such as Hamid gul,Imran Khans and col imams who enjoy secular upbringing and lifestyle have pushed for this image to be placed upon Pashtuns to keep them under their control and not progressive.

Afghanistan had left Islam during the 70's and choose to look forward for development and modernisation of its Nation, sadly due to its strategic point, Afghanistan was abused by most of the world and Islamists were a tool for foreigner powers to counter communism.

We witnessed What the Afghan Mujahideen did to Afghanistan when the so called Kaffirs fled. It will continue to happen until every Afghan realises that Allah is not going to send them rewards or happiness unless they start to work hard on developing their land and stop allowing it to be used by proxy Islamists.

Kind Regards