Why are Pukhtuns from Afghanistan so conservative?

[khyaal]

shaba shab! tala hum moqa pa guto daraghla che zra rabande spak kre.

[شمله ور خراساني]

shaba shab! tala hum moqa pa guto daraghla che zra rabande spak kre.

zma zra ke boj nishta. pa de che mug alhamdulilah par haqq yu. Mug khalk ghulamai aw kufr na di balali.

Da kar kho de stasi de nashnalayano kar de pa PF ke.

Boj kho de nashnalyano pa zruno ke dai che de internet aw de bayan de azadey sekha na jayeza estefadah akhli aw zemug per deen aw imaan pore malande wahi.

Da de stasi malgari di che delta ghwari khpel zruna spak kri. Hase kho ham spak khalk di.

[Roshina]

So, can someone explain to us what exactly anything has to do with people who speak up and say things boldly that they would not be allowed to say in traditional Pukhtun community?

Hello?! That's one of the many reasons we consider the internet a blessing! We can say whatEVER is on our mind without being killed for it (well, yet anyway). What exactly are you trying to prove? That we're not typical religious Pukhtuns? Well, congrats for finally establishing that yourself!

And, yes, recognize that we're a minority, being not only anti-Taliban but also pro-reason and pro-intellect. But so what?

Also, you may kill the person -- kill us all you want, and I'm totally okay with that -- but you cannot kill our ideas. If we don't speak up, others like us will speak up when they have a chance. If they're more bold than we are, they'll FIGHT to have a chance to speak up and risk their lives.

So, yeah, what's with this whole "go speak your thoughts in Pukhtunkhwa" deal? I'm sitting here thinking, "Um, okay, what?" Your telling us over and over that we're a minority doesn't mean anything; we already know that, AND we're fine with that. At least we're able to connect with like-minded people (although I'm not all that into being around people who think like me necessarily, it's always a pleasure sharing your ideas with people who actually understand them) and are able to speak up so that others can hear us, even if they don't like what we say.

[شمله ور خراساني]

So, can someone explain to us what exactly anything has to do with people who speak up and say things boldly that they would not be allowed to say in traditional Pukhtun community?

Hello?! That's one of the many reasons we consider the internet a blessing! We can say whatEVER is on our mind without being killed for it (well, yet anyway). What exactly are you trying to prove? That we're not typical religious Pukhtuns? Well, congrats for finally establishing that yourself!

And, yes, recognize that we're a minority, being not only anti-Taliban but also pro-reason and pro-intellect. But so what?

Also, you may kill the person -- kill us all you want, and I'm totally okay with that -- but you cannot kill our ideas. If we don't speak up, others like us will speak up when they have a chance. If they're more bold than we are, they'll FIGHT to have a chance to speak up and risk their lives.

So, yeah, what's with this whole "go speak your thoughts in Pukhtunkhwa" deal? I'm sitting here thinking, "Um, okay, what?" Your telling us over and over that we're a minority doesn't mean anything; we already know that, AND we're fine with that. At least we're able to connect with like-minded people (although I'm not all that into being around people who think like me necessarily, it's always a pleasure sharing your ideas with people who actually understand them) and are able to speak up so that others can hear us, even if they don't like what we say.

You are not just a minority, you do not represent Pashtuns. You represent westernized people who mock the core of Pashtun identity which is Islam.

So therefore you people are not part of Pashtun identity. And therefore, you are reminded of the fact that whatever you say is nothing but childish rant by outcasts.

This forum was suppose to be a place for fertile dialogue to help us progress. But it is used by you lot to bash Islam and mock our conservative identity and nature.

None of the stuff you lot says will ever catch on among the people in Pashtunkhwa or any other Muslim society.

So it's just a reminder that you are talking nonsense. And you should cut the nonsense and make yourselves useful.

Besides, it would be ashamed if you lot would be killed by your own villagers.

because would you lot have not apostated or adopted such sick and perverted ideas you lot promote here, you could have used yourself as a means of progress and stability in the long run.

But instead all of you will turn to second grade versions of Salman Rushdie and Amina Wudood. People who appease the kuffaar by mocking Muslims.

[Roshina]

And I totally understand that -- but so what that we don't represent Pashtuns? You don't either; if anything, you represent only the pro-Taliban and religious extremist Pashtuns, not the rest of them. But so what?

I mean, why do we have to burden ourselves and each other with the responsibility of "representing" an ethnic group of over 50 million people?

[Saifullah]

Qrratugai why do you think you are the only one wid a brain? You did some degree that you think you are more superior to us?? Please don't start with that nonsense, saying we are pro-reason and pro-this and that. Alhamdulilah many of us have a brain and we have had an education, upbringing and so on. Surrounded by books, media and so on. I myself have not been brainwashed by anything Islamic of the sort. I have been surrounded by biased media 24/7 and if anything i should be just like the average westerner who reads something and believes it straight away. But no i use reason and intellect to figure out what goes on. You are not the only one who is capable of that!

You have limited reason and intellect, which is why you keep repeating the same things over and over and over again....just for once think and type. Rather than the usual essays you write thinking you know it all.

[Saifullah]

And I totally understand that -- but so what that we don't represent Pashtuns? You don't either; if anything, you represent only the pro-Taliban and religious extremist Pashtuns, not the rest of them. But so what?

I mean, why do we have to burden ourselves and each other with the responsibility of "representing" an ethnic group of over 50 million people?

Who represents Pashtuns and who wants to represent them. I don't want to represent anyone except myself and my own opinions. If others follow it fine, if others don't i dont give a damn. I don't follow the crowd like a sheep, i follow what i feel is correct not according to my whims and desires, but according to what is obvious to be the truth.

[Roshina]

^ Oh - so sorry to see that you are offended by what I said, Saifullah! However, I stick to what I said. I'd repeat it but clearly, you don't like that

[Saifullah]

Qrratugai i am not offended by what you say, say whatever you want. What do i lose? But don't think i just want to reply to you for the sake of argument or like the way everybody usual debates here its an ongoing cycle. I don't want to get into that, because that is like a fruitless thing to do. We should find the core of what each person is trying to say and what their opinions are, rather than debating on every single issue their is. I am sure everybody has set principles. If somebody is an athiest then we understand what their belief would be, if someone claims to be a muslim then obviously they follow Islam and so on. You cannot be half in Islam and half an athiest or mixed with our own religion..

[Roshina]

^ Then let's get back to the topic, shall we? You've made your point, and I've made mine, and both of us are serious about our points.

[Saifullah]

Go ahead...

[Saifullah]

Saying 60% of the posts here are spam, maybe Gulalai post come into that spam, its just all a matter of opinion. Like the saying one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[PFgulalai]

Gulalai as much as I want too all I am going to be getting back in response is cheap insults with a disguise on them.

I already know you have no respect for me so why should I even bother at this point? You even went as far as mentioning that saying 60 percent of posts here are spam which even admin frowned about.

May God bless you. Take care.

Hence it is concluded from the post above that you do not want to reply. Thanks.

[khyaal]

zma zra ke boj nishta. pa de che mug alhamdulilah par haqq yu. Mug khalk ghulamai aw kufr na di balali.

Da kar kho de stasi de nashnalayano kar de pa PF ke.

Boj kho de nashnalyano pa zruno ke dai che de internet aw de bayan de azadey sekha na jayeza estefadah akhli aw zemug per deen aw imaan pore malande wahi.

Da de stasi malgari di che delta ghwari khpel zruna spak kri. Hase kho ham spak khalk di.

sangara! ta kho darogh wayal che ma pekhwar ke wakht na de ter kare, ta nationalyan sanga pezhane? hase darta wayam che za nationale na yam za PkMAP ke yam.

[شمله ور خراساني]

sangara! ta kho darogh wayal che ma pekhwar ke wakht na de ter kare, ta nationalyan sanga pezhane? hase darta wayam che za nationale na yam za PkMAP ke yam.

Nashnalyan pa PF ke shpa aw wraz tablighat kawi. Ta ta za wrund khkaregam?

Aw za drwagh na wayam.

PKMAP da ka ANP. Farsi ke wayi che sage zard, byadare shaghal ast. Zerr spai de gidar wror dai.

No difference what so ever.