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    Thanks a lot for your welcomes bro! And not just experience but I have also got pictures to share, which I will do by this weekend Inshahlah. And now to answer your questions;

    I was in Nangarhar most of the times where all I heard was Pukhto; From teaching institutes, to working places, to medical centres and you name it. In other words, status of not only Pukhto was strong, but also ties between people of Jalalabad and those from Pakhtunkhwa who work in Jalalabad. The economy is growing drastically in Nangarhar and even loads of new things are being built, though weekly bomb blasts made things wait being built which were to be built ages ago. Only problem I noticed was the rising insecurity, for the rest people of Jalalabad especially are very happy with they are and what they have. Taliban though is being hated by pretty much entire Jalalabad, even more than NATO. Many elders were talking of signing contracts where they promise to not support Taliban in the future and report any information about the Taliban so they can be caught.

    I was also in Laghman for just one day but I had been there few months ago as well and not trying to be funny, but I found people of Laghman most civilised people I saw in Afghanistan. In other provinces you will have people staring at you (even if you wear Chadari) and passing comments to trouble you, but even though at a point even my scarf slipped out of my head, no man even looked at me or any other girl. That was probably only province where I felt safe being outside alone. Even though it's a small village under Taliban threat because of which the province can't flourish, one of top students of Afghanistan are said to have studied in Laghman and this was even mentioned by Karzai last year. There used to be ethical issues years ago but as I mentioned in other thread already, all Laghmanis today are countrymen and not tribesmen. They love Laghman and Laghmanis as they are and none really cares which place you come from or what language you speak.

    And finally Kabul, it's unfortunately in a huge mess. You will feel like rubbish of entire Afghanistan has been thrown into Kabul, the city really reminded me of Karachi. Nothing is being done when it comes to reconstructions and the only beautiful and clean areas are embassies and posts of the Westerners; That's literally it. I went inside the Dutch embassy in Kabul, and I couldn't believe that was in Afghanistan as well. It was just gorgeous! Nothing is happening to the economy as well, things are just the way they are. Only progress is the medical education, and all that thanks to Indian doctors working in Kabul, who happen to be best doctors in Afghanistan. Kabul City Centre in fact is full of Urdu speakers (Indians or Pakistanis? Dunno.) and everywhere in the city if you hear Dari in one place, then you will hear Pukhto in other place. I didn't meet even one person who couldn't speak both Dari and Pukhto. And then I went outside Kabul city to places like Qargha and Paghman and those locations were just awesome!

    I will post pictures soon and after writing an whole essay (LOL) I just would like to say is that people are just leading their lives, and same goes for entire Afghanistan. People don't kill each other for their language or ethnicity because they don't have time for that as they are busy earning at least one Afghani a day. Ethical issues are being fuelled by either politicians or foreigners in Afghanistan, the ordinary residents themselves are sick of this division and war. I am sure Laila Jan might have witnessed at least some of the same.
    Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

  • #2
    shaysta r u from ningarhar too?

    welcome back

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    • #3
      Nangarhar is run by Gul Agha Sherzai khetawar
      My Blog

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      • #4
        lolx so

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        • #5
          khwakh me na de...
          My Blog

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          • #6
            lol
            he is such a gd man

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            • #7
              I experienced the same exact things as Shayesta khorey did....but i will respond too in a little while.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shayesta View Post

                I was in Nangarhar most of the times where all I heard was Pukhto; From teaching institutes, to working places, to medical centres and you name it. In other words, status of not only Pukhto was strong, but also ties between people of Jalalabad and those from Pakhtunkhwa who work in Jalalabad. The economy is growing drastically in Nangarhar and even loads of new things are being built, though weekly bomb blasts made things wait being built which were to be built ages ago. Only problem I noticed was the rising insecurity, for the rest people of Jalalabad especially are very happy with they are and what they have. Taliban though is being hated by pretty much entire Jalalabad, even more than NATO. Many elders were talking of signing contracts where they promise to not support Taliban in the future and report any information about the Taliban so they can be caught.
                I couldnt have agreed more

                Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                I was also in Laghman for just one day but I had been there few months ago as well and not trying to be funny, but I found people of Laghman most civilised people I saw in Afghanistan. In other provinces you will have people staring at you (even if you wear Chadari) and passing comments to trouble you, but even though at a point even my scarf slipped out of my head, no man even looked at me or any other girl. That was probably only province where I felt safe being outside alone. Even though it's a small village under Taliban threat because of which the province can't flourish, one of top students of Afghanistan are said to have studied in Laghman and this was even mentioned by Karzai last year. There used to be ethical issues years ago but as I mentioned in other thread already, all Laghmanis today are countrymen and not tribesmen. They love Laghman and Laghmanis as they are and none really cares which place you come from or what language you speak.
                I totally love Laghman. I felt soooooo safe there....i felt i could just walk around Laghman without any head covering and still feel safe even though Laghman has the Taliban there.

                I love Laghmani people so much because no matter who you are, what language you speak, you will not get harassed by anyone. Everyone (Pashtuns, Tajiks, Pashais, Nuristanis, Hindus) get along so well like brothers and sisters. The men are so respectful there. Even though women still wear burqas in Qaraghai.

                I came across a Talib in my village, he was such a nice man, i had no idea he was a Talib.


                Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                And finally Kabul, it's unfortunately in a huge mess. You will feel like rubbish of entire Afghanistan has been thrown into Kabul, the city really reminded me of Karachi. Nothing is being done when it comes to reconstructions and the only beautiful and clean areas are embassies and posts of the Westerners; That's literally it. I went inside the Dutch embassy in Kabul, and I couldn't believe that was in Afghanistan as well. It was just gorgeous! Nothing is happening to the economy as well, things are just the way they are. Only progress is the medical education, and all that thanks to Indian doctors working in Kabul, who happen to be best doctors in Afghanistan. Kabul City Centre in fact is full of Urdu speakers (Indians or Pakistanis? Dunno.) and everywhere in the city if you hear Dari in one place, then you will hear Pukhto in other place. I didn't meet even one person who couldn't speak both Dari and Pukhto. And then I went outside Kabul city to places like Qargha and Paghman and those locations were just awesome!
                When i look at Kabul, i literally want to cry. That city is like in ruins.....it is so, so, filthy. No one is doing anything about it. The city smells like garbage. There is no actual law there, people do as they please. Police just stand around doing nothing, you can never even get anywhere in a car. Men are soooooo disrespectful and pervs.
                Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                I will post pictures soon and after writing an whole essay (LOL) I just would like to say is that people are just leading their lives, and same goes for entire Afghanistan. People don't kill each other for their language or ethnicity because they don't have time for that as they are busy earning at least one Afghani a day. Ethical issues are being fuelled by either politicians or foreigners in Afghanistan, the ordinary residents themselves are sick of this division and war. I am sure Laila Jan might have witnessed at least some of the same.
                When i was there......there was no issue about ethnicity, language. Its when i come here that i hear it. No one cares if you speak Pashto, Dari, Hazaragi, Uzbeki, Pashai, Nuristani.....they dont ask you what you are....no one cares! No one has the time or energy to do so. People are too busy with other matters that are actually important.

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                • #9
                  I am sorry about the delay for the pictures guys, I couldn't get it on my laptop but will try soon again and will come for more posts soon.
                  Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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                  • #10
                    manana Shayesta khor , I guess Kabul and Karachi are the same lol.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Laila View Post
                      I totally love Laghman. I felt soooooo safe there....i felt i could just walk around Laghman without any head covering and still feel safe even though Laghman has the Taliban there.
                      Yup, the people are very open minded and the funny thing is, most Afghans gossip about people who let their daughters study but in Laghman it's the other way round, LOL.

                      Originally posted by Laila View Post
                      I love Laghmani people so much because no matter who you are, what language you speak, you will not get harassed by anyone.
                      The tension was there when Taliban arrived and right after they left, but with the governance of the late Abdullah Laghmani it all changed and Laghmanis became people of their province; Not their ethnic.

                      Originally posted by Laila View Post
                      When i look at Kabul, i literally want to cry. That city is like in ruins. it is so, so, filthy. No one is doing anything about it. The city smells like garbage. There is no actual law there, people do as they please.
                      When I went to Kabul first time, I couldn't believe that there was even a time when the city was known as 'Jannat of Afghanistan' and nor could I believe it once used to be one of the most civilized cities in Asia, as today it seems like the dirt of Asia. Sorry for the language but it indeed makes an Afghan cry to see that if the capital is in this state then what about the rest of the country?

                      Originally posted by Laila View Post
                      Police just stand around doing nothing, you can never even get anywhere in a car. Men are soooooo disrespectful and pervs.
                      Oh no, the police is doing something; Stare at cars with 'beautiful women'. And about the perverts there, just one word; UUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

                      Originally posted by Laila View Post
                      When i was there......there was no issue about ethnicity, language. Its when i come here that i hear it.
                      I remember how people used to exaggerate that Panjsheris will rape you if you speak Pukhto, or you will be kicked out of college if you speak Pukhhto: BULL****. Literally only place where small issues regarding languages comes up are the colleges, that's literally it.
                      Last edited by Shayesta; 08-16-2010, 12:54 PM.
                      Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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                      • #12
                        ^ Yes, Taliban are in Laghman and Kunar, and i doubt they will leave. You see there are plenty of NATO army bases in Laghman and Kunar, and the Taliban will not let them through. Plus in an area like Laghman and Kunar, its easy for the Taliban to stay.

                        When i was there, there was an incident between Taliban and American Army men. The Kabul-Jalalabad road was blocked for hours until the fighting was over.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                          Yup, the people are very open minded and the funny thing is, most Afghans gossip about people who let their daughters study but in Laghman it's the other way round, LOL.
                          Every afghan has told me that Laghmani people are very open minded and smart. I am not lying, i hear from Paktiwalas, from Wardaks, from people of Kunduz, from Kandahari, and from Herati people that they say Laghmani people are known as very intelligent. Every one wants their daughters to actually go off and educate themself. And i am so proud of them for that

                          If i wanted to stay anywhere in all of Afghanistan, it would be Laghman. Even though there are so many Taliban there. Even though it is all villages and people are poor. Even though there is no access to hospitals, and the weather is very hot. Everyone is so grateful. They are the most respectful people i have ever met and known in my life.


                          Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                          The tension was there when Taliban arrived and right after they left, but with the governance of the late Abdullah Laghmani it all changed and Laghmanis became people of their province; Not their ethnic.
                          And that is what i love about them. No one asks you about your ethnicity or qawm.

                          Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                          When I went to Kabul first time, I couldn't believe that there was even a time when the city was known as 'Jannat of Afghanistan' and nor could I believe it once used to be one of the most civilized cities in Asia, as today it seems like the dirt of Asia. Sorry for the language but it indeed makes an Afghan cry to see that if the capital is in this state then what about the rest of the country?
                          I agree. Kabul is the dirtiest place i have ever seen. I have never seen so much dust, dirt, garbage, easy crime in my life. It was so disappointing because i heard so much of Kabul's beauty from my parents. And when i was there, i wanted to cry for the capital. I never expected it to be like that.

                          Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                          Oh no, the police is doing something; Stare at cars with 'beautiful women'. And about the perverts there, just one word; UUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
                          Oh Shayesta khorey..i have so much stories for you.

                          I was in chilsetoon. And i was walking from a bazaar with my relatives. And the police car passed by slowly. And there were about 10 police men on the trunk. They were whistling, they were pointing, they were saying many things in Dari to me....it was seriously saddening to see coming from the Police.

                          Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                          I remember how people used to exaggerate that Panjsheris will rape you if you speak Pukhto, or you will be kicked out of college if you speak Pukhhto: BULL****. Literally only place where small issues regarding languages comes up are the colleges, that's literally it.
                          I heard Pakhto so much there. I didnt think i would even hear much of Pakhto in Kabul, but i was wrong. Many of the schools provide Pakhto only
                          for students that are Pakhto speakers or want to learn only in Pakhto.

                          I think many of us exaggerate that Pakhto is not spoken enough there. And this is from my experience.
                          Other than that, no one gives a damn what you speak or your ethnicity.

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                          • #14
                            laila deera shaysta da
                            araa walii de orbal de ghata da kho sada
                            araa wali de orbal de

                            i wanna change my name to orbaal

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