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**Sarbani** · 04-19-2016, 09:33 PM

Some Pakistanis want that because they see Pashtuns as a threat to the integrity of Pakistan. They want a French style revolution where all the ethnic groups merge into one so that way the chances of separatism/autonomy are nil.

**paceforall** · 04-21-2016, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post

Some Pakistanis want that because they see Pashtuns as a threat to the integrity of Pakistan. They want a French style revolution where all the ethnic groups merge into one so that way the chances of separatism/autonomy are nil.

What do you mean with integrity?

Yes, I don't wonder, because P. is controlled by the american Terrorists.

What do Pashton peoples thing about the invasation of Europe by moslems?

**Firdousi** · 04-21-2016, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by paceforall View Post

Hello,

I wonder why somebody wants to wipe out the Pashtuns, I remember you that an atom bomb have been placed in the سپین غر

Every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan is afraid of Pashtuns. Pashtuns are a constant source of instability and violence in the region. They are extremely nationalist, selfish and conservative. Thats why they are being killed on a daily basis by USA, ANA, Pak Army and Taliban and nobody cares. Not even Pashtuns themselves.

They need to leave behind their warmongerism only then people will stop hating on them.

**Sarbani** · 04-21-2016, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by paceforall View Post

What do you mean with integrity?

Yes, I don't wonder, because P. is controlled by the american Terrorists.

What do Pashton peoples thing about the invasation of Europe by moslems?

Unity. Pakistanis are paranoid people that think giving any regional ethnic group's language/culture any significance is promoting division among Pakistanis and that they will try to gain independence.

Its not an invasion if Western Europe is inviting them. I think Western Europe should accept a few temporary refugees, but not let in everybody with a pulse without doing a background check (which is what they're currently doing).

**Sarbani** · 04-21-2016, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

Every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan is afraid of Pashtuns. Pashtuns are a constant source of instability and violence in the region. They are extremely nationalist, selfish and conservative. Thats why they are being killed on a daily basis by USA, ANA, Pak Army and Taliban and nobody cares. Not even Pashtuns themselves.

They need to leave behind their warmongerism only then people will stop hating on them.

The Taliban is only so strong because of Porkistan. The Taliban hasn't existed since the beginning of time, its something that was created in the 1970s.

Pashtuns are not that much more conservative than our neighboring ethnic groups with a similar economic status.

Pashtuns aren't nationalistic, at least not ethnic nationalistic.

**Firdousi** · 04-21-2016, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post

The Taliban is only so strong because of Porkistan. The Taliban hasn't existed since the beginning of time, its something that was created in the 1970s.

Pashtuns are not that much more conservative than our neighboring ethnic groups with a similar economic status.

Pashtuns aren't nationalistic, at least not ethnic nationalistic.

Greetings!

Taliban are the main political and military Pashtun force. Its pretty obvious they have a huge support among rural Pashtuns. Frankly speaking I don't think Pakistan has so much influence over Taliban. Yeah they harboring their leaders and some branches such as Haqqani (they are behind most of terrorist attacks) are Pakistani forces but truth is Pakistan wants us to believe they are stronger than they actually are.

Pakistan is weak, isolated and their good and bad policy is backfiring. Let them die. Who cares? But my point is not just Taliban. Every single Pashtun leader has tried to impose Pashtunism on non Pashtuns. Pashtun nationalist messed up our relationship with Pakistan (Daoud wasn't Taliban, was he?). Just look at "educated" Pashtuns such as Ghani and Karzai. They are always claiming that Taliban are their beloved brothers or "political opposition". Not offense intender but I don't trust too much Pashtuns (their leaders and political parties I mean). Same thing happens with many other people.

**Sarbani** · 04-21-2016, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

Greetings!

Taliban are the main political and military Pashtun force. Its pretty obvious they have a huge support among rural Pashtuns. Frankly speaking I don't think Pakistan has so much influence over Taliban. Yeah they harboring their leaders and some branches such as Haqqani (they are behind most of terrorist attacks) are Pakistani forces but truth is Pakistan wants us to believe they are stronger than they actually are.

After the Soviet forces were crushed, do you know how the Taliban took power and stayed in power?

In the Graveyard of Empires

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Secret Affairs

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Taliban and Anti-Taliban

https://books.google.com/books?id=j7_RAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=pakistan+frontier+corps+afghanistan+taliban&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM66j3naDMAhVEaD4KHZSUA9gQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=pakistan%20frontier%20corps%20afghanistan%20taliban&f=false

Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan has been in the spotlight since 9/11. This tiny piece of land is crucial to all: a determinant of the military outcome in Afghanistan for international community; a strategic space for its hostile ally, Pakistan, for its ambitions in Afghanistan and beyond; a home to al-Qaeda, a special place in its mythology. Prospects of international and regional peace hinge on the situation in FATA; understanding its people and their ground reality has, thus, been more important than ever.Based on extensive ground research in FATA, Taliban and Anti-Taliban reveals the indigenous tribal people’s blood-soaked relationships with the Taliban, Al-Qaida and the Pakistani military establishment and its intelligence apparatus. The book uncovers the heroic armed and non-violent struggle of the local population against the Taliban and Al-Qaida. It also documents the tribesmen’s feedback on some of the high profile literature authored in relation to FATA since 9/11 and exposes serious drawbacks in the writings of some of the famous FATA “experts” in the world.Tribal resistance to the Taliban and Al-Qaida has been widely ignored in international academic and policy discourse, and in media reporting on the war on terror. Knowledge and understanding of this resistance is immensely important for people in the wider world to determine friends and foes in the global war on terror. Taliban and Anti-Taliban fills the void for the first time since 9/11.This book is a must read for anyone and everyone interested in knowing what is going on inside FATA, the region dubbed as “the most dangerous place in the world” by the US.

Yes, the terrorists are mostly Pashtun, so Pashtuns aren't totally irresponsible, but why are the terrorists so strong? Where are they getting their supplies from? How did they rule the country for so long? If Pakistan didn't exist, then neither would the Taliban. They aren't THAT strong, but still very much a threat.

The Taliban were originally just created to fight the Soviets. Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan so they made up the largest percentage of Taliban fighters naturally. Then Pakistani frontier corps were responsible in aiding Afghans from across the border into joining them. Pashtuns don't have a natural deposition to become violent terrorists, but many join because they are poor and because of the geographic location (Pashtuns are on the border with Pakistan). Pashtuns in the Taliban are just puppets and Pakistan is the puppeteer. Every ethnic group has puppets among them. Also, the Taliban isn't uniquely Pashtun. It has Uzbeks, Tajiks, Punjabis, etc.

Pakistan is weak, isolated and their good and bad policy is backfiring. Let them die. Who cares? But my point is not just Taliban. Every single Pashtun leader has tried to impose Pashtunism on non Pashtuns. Pashtun nationalist messed up our relationship with Pakistan (Daoud wasn't Taliban, was he?). Just look at "educated" Pashtuns such as Ghani and Karzai. They are always claiming that Taliban are their beloved brothers or "political opposition". Not offense intender but I don't trust too much Pashtuns (their leaders and political parties I mean). Same thing happens with many other people.

Why do you think they are aggressive Pashtunists? Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan yet many don't even speak it especially those from Balkh, Herat, and Farah.

Pakistan messed up the relationship with Afghanistan, not Pashtun nationalists. Pakistan has supported the destruction and destabilization of Afghanistan at every given opportunity.

**Firdousi** · 04-21-2016, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post

After the Soviet forces were crushed, do you know how the Taliban took power and stayed in power?

In the Graveyard of Empires

https://books.google.com/books?id=3O1dwEt1e6gC&pg=PA65&dq=pakistan+frontier+corps+afghanistan+taliban&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM66j3naDMAhVEaD4KHZSUA9gQ6AEILTAD#v=onepage&q=pakistan%20frontier%20corps%20afghanistan%20taliban&f=false

A definitive account of the American experience in Afghanistan from the rise of the Taliban to the depths of the insurgency. After the swift defeat of the Taliban in 2001, American optimism has steadily evaporated in the face of mounting violence; a new “war of a thousand cuts” has now brought the country to its knees. In the Graveyard of Empires is a political history of Afghanistan in the “Age of Terror” from 2001 to 2009, exploring the fundamental tragedy of America’s longest war since Vietnam. After a brief survey of the great empires in Afghanistan—the campaigns of Alexander the Great, the British in the era of Kipling, and the late Soviet Union—Seth G. Jones examines the central question of our own war: how did an insurgency develop? Following the September 11 attacks, the United States successfully overthrew the Taliban regime. It established security throughout the country—killing, capturing, or scattering most of al Qa’ida’s senior operatives—and Afghanistan finally began to emerge from more than two decades of struggle and conflict. But Jones argues that as early as 2001 planning for the Iraq War siphoned off resources and talented personnel, undermining the gains that had been made. After eight years, he says, the United States has managed to push al Qa’ida’s headquarters about one hundred miles across the border into Pakistan, the distance from New York to Philadelphia. While observing the tense and often adversarial relationship between NATO allies in the Coalition, Jones—who has distinguished himself at RAND and was recently named by Esquire as one of the “Best and Brightest” young policy experts—introduces us to key figures on both sides of the war. Harnessing important new research and integrating thousands of declassified government documents, Jones then analyzes the insurgency from a historical and structural point of view, showing how a rising drug trade, poor security forces, and pervasive corruption undermined the Karzai government, while Americans abandoned a successful strategy, failed to provide the necessary support, and allowed a growing sanctuary for insurgents in Pakistan to catalyze the Taliban resurgence. Examining what has worked thus far—and what has not—this serious and important book underscores the challenges we face in stabilizing the country and explains where we went wrong and what we must do if the United States is to avoid the disastrous fate that has befallen many of the great world powers to enter the region.

Secret Affairs

https://books.google.com/books?id=KOMewMUw024C&pg=PA342&dq=pakistan+frontier+corps+afghanistan+taliban&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM66j3naDMAhVEaD4KHZSUA9gQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=pakistan%20frontier%20corps%20afghanistan%20taliban&f=false

The updated edition of Secret Affairs covers the momentous events of the past year in the Middle East. It reveals the unreported attempts by Britain to cultivate relations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt after the fall of Mubarak, the military intervention on the side of Libyan rebel forces which include pro-al-Qaeda elements, and the ongoing reliance on the region's ultimate fundamentalist state, Saudi Arabia, to safeguard its interest in the Middle East. In this ground-breaking book, Mark Curtis reveals the covert history of British collusion with radical Islamic and terrorist groups. Secret Affairs shows how governments since the 1940s have connived with militant forces to control oil resources and overthrow governments. The story of how Britain has helped nurture the rise of global terrorism has never been told.

Taliban and Anti-Taliban

https://books.google.com/books?id=j7_RAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=pakistan+frontier+corps+afghanistan+taliban&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM66j3naDMAhVEaD4KHZSUA9gQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=pakistan%20frontier%20corps%20afghanistan%20taliban&f=false

Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan has been in the spotlight since 9/11. This tiny piece of land is crucial to all: a determinant of the military outcome in Afghanistan for international community; a strategic space for its hostile ally, Pakistan, for its ambitions in Afghanistan and beyond; a home to al-Qaeda, a special place in its mythology. Prospects of international and regional peace hinge on the situation in FATA; understanding its people and their ground reality has, thus, been more important than ever.Based on extensive ground research in FATA, Taliban and Anti-Taliban reveals the indigenous tribal people’s blood-soaked relationships with the Taliban, Al-Qaida and the Pakistani military establishment and its intelligence apparatus. The book uncovers the heroic armed and non-violent struggle of the local population against the Taliban and Al-Qaida. It also documents the tribesmen’s feedback on some of the high profile literature authored in relation to FATA since 9/11 and exposes serious drawbacks in the writings of some of the famous FATA “experts” in the world.Tribal resistance to the Taliban and Al-Qaida has been widely ignored in international academic and policy discourse, and in media reporting on the war on terror. Knowledge and understanding of this resistance is immensely important for people in the wider world to determine friends and foes in the global war on terror. Taliban and Anti-Taliban fills the void for the first time since 9/11.This book is a must read for anyone and everyone interested in knowing what is going on inside FATA, the region dubbed as “the most dangerous place in the world” by the US.

Yes, the terrorists are mostly Pashtun, so Pashtuns aren't totally irresponsible, but why are the terrorists so strong? Where are they getting their supplies from? How did they rule the country for so long? If Pakistan didn't exist, then neither would the Taliban. They aren't THAT strong, but still very much a threat.

The Taliban were originally just created to fight the Soviets. Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan so they made up the largest percentage of Taliban fighters naturally. Then Pakistani frontier corps were responsible in aiding Afghans from across the border into joining them. Pashtuns don't have a natural deposition to become violent terrorists, but many join because they are poor and because of the geographic location (Pashtuns are on the border with Pakistan). Pashtuns in the Taliban are just puppets and Pakistan is the puppeteer. Every ethnic group has puppets among them. Also, the Taliban isn't uniquely Pashtun. It has Uzbeks, Tajiks, Punjabis, etc.

Why do you think they are aggressive Pashtunists? Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan yet many don't even speak it especially those from Balkh, Herat, and Farah.

Pakistan messed up the relationship with Afghanistan, not Pashtun nationalists. Pakistan has supported the destruction and destabilization of Afghanistan at every given opportunity.

Its not the same scenario. Taliban were fully under Paksitani control in the 90th´s. Now Taliban movement and Pakistan both have changed.

Pashtun nationalist messed up the relationship with Pakistan. It was Daoud Khan who sent our troops to Bajaur in the 60th´s. Well it failed.

BTW brother Taliban did not exist during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Get your sources straight.

Pashtun culture is extremely warmonger and violent. Pashtuns re always bragging about their marcial race. There are plenty of poor Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks. You don't see them blowing each other up do you? Dude Pashtuns must accept there is a huge problem with their culture and stop blaming it on Pakistan. i agree Pakistan is a disgusting terrorist sh*thole but you guys need to take your responsibility in your own failures.

I am not blaming all Pashtuns. I am blaming Pashtun culture.

BTW those Pashtuns in Northern and Western Afghansitan were sent by Pashutnist leaders in order to Pashtunize the country. Since Farsi culture is much more advanced than Pashtun culture those people left their tribal identity and integrated into their host communities. Most of Pashtuns in Herat despite bragging all the day about their fake Pashtuniat they would never change their Persian/Tajiki/Herati culture for Pashtunism. Many of them have married Tajik men/women, they speak Farsi, they live among Tajiks, they listen Persian music,.. I know even Pashtuns who have removed -zai from their surnames. A good friend of mine is a Jamaizai from Ghoryan. His father named his family as "Azimzadeh". I also know a Popalzai from Inyil and they name themselves Popal now. Also I know one more case from a Noorzai from Shindand. Now their surname is Noorzadeh. And so on. This people are now Tajiks. Not Pashtuns.

**tilla_jogian** · 04-21-2016, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post

Some Pakistanis want that because they see Pashtuns as a threat to the integrity of Pakistan. They want a French style revolution where all the ethnic groups merge into one so that way the chances of separatism/autonomy are nil.

Pakistani ethnic groups are already merged in to one and this is getting worse by every passing year from ethnic nationalist pov. Same thing will happen in Afghanistan, every pashtun will become Tajik/farsi eventually unless Taliban succeed. Baloch even if small are more of a threat to integrity then Pashtuns, in fact if we let lose Paki pashtuns then they will merge east Afghanistan with Pakistan and we don't want that at all.

This is why Taliban most rule Kabul and impose Pashto on farsis.

**Aryana** · 04-22-2016, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

Its not the same scenario. Taliban were fully under Paksitani control in the 90th´s. Now Taliban movement and Pakistan both have changed.

Pashtun nationalist messed up the relationship with Pakistan. It was Daoud Khan who sent our troops to Bajaur in the 60th´s. Well it failed.

BTW brother Taliban did not exist during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Get your sources straight.

Pashtun culture is extremely warmonger and violent. Pashtuns re always bragging about their marcial race. There are plenty of poor Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks. You don't see them blowing each other up do you? Dude Pashtuns must accept there is a huge problem with their culture and stop blaming it on Pakistan. i agree Pakistan is a disgusting terrorist sh*thole but you guys need to take your responsibility in your own failures.

I am not blaming all Pashtuns. I am blaming Pashtun culture.

BTW those Pashtuns in Northern and Western Afghansitan were sent by Pashutnist leaders in order to Pashtunize the country. Since Farsi culture is much more advanced than Pashtun culture those people left their tribal identity and integrated into their host communities. Most of Pashtuns in Herat despite bragging all the day about their fake Pashtuniat they would never change their Persian/Tajiki/Herati culture for Pashtunism. Many of them have married Tajik men/women, they speak Farsi, they live among Tajiks, they listen Persian music,.. I know even Pashtuns who have removed -zai from their surnames. A good friend of mine is a Jamaizai from Ghoryan. His father named his family as "Azimzadeh". I also know a Popalzai from Inyil and they name themselves Popal now. Also I know one more case from a Noorzai from Shindand. Now their surname is Noorzadeh. And so on. This people are now Tajiks. Not Pashtuns.

Lol, "Persian culture". You Tajiks don't have a culture, it was Iranian culture that was imposed on you and then your people corrupted. In addition to that, Tajik culture includes bacha bazi.

Wannabe Persian, your mothers were raped by chinky Mongols.

**paceforall** · 04-26-2016, 04:05 AM

America conflicting the Pashthons, and it's good that they restist agains America. Pakistan is tottaly controlled by America.

bacha bazi is for gays,
is there some dance with young girls?

Originally posted by Aryana View Post

Lol, "Persian culture". You Tajiks don't have a culture, it was Iranian culture that was imposed on you and then your people corrupted. In addition to that, Tajik culture includes bacha bazi.

Wannabe Persian, your mothers were raped by chinky Mongols.

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