Do Syed Pakhtuns belong to a tribe.

[Afghanfootball]

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[Sarbani]

What's a Syed Pakhtun?

[Sarbani]

A Pashtun who has the title of syed. For example there is an Afghan football player who's name is Syed Maqsood Hashimi. Though lots of people give their kids the name Syed when they are not real Syeds.
I am partly a Syed from Kunar.

Oh it's a title, I thought you might have been talking about that Indian caste that claims Arab ancestry. I guess that puts them in the same boat as the kasabgaran, malyaran, jolagan, etc. then? I don't see why they wouldn't belong to a Pashtun tribe.

[Sarbani]

Real Syed from my understanding come from Prophet Muhammad (saw) PBUH's tribe from my understanding tuwbah if im wrong.

But we never claim to be Arab.

You guys don't. I was talking about the Indian caste also called "Syed" who are a completely different thing to the Pashtun ones.

[Badlun]

There are many kinds of Syeds among Pashtuns. Some Syeds have complete written genealogy or shajra nasab which leads to the prophet Muhamamd or Hazrat Ali or some other famous Arab Muslims. These Syeds are only culturally and linguistically Pashtuns but not genetically.

Other Syeds are just because of their piety or Islamic learning or Sufism or spiritualism and other reasons. These are also called Miagan or Mullan and they are genetically Pashtuns but have a religious or spiritual distinction. In some cases they have a khel instead of a tribe like Miakhel, Mullakhel etc.

[Dawar Faudzi]

This is an interesting question my mums family are syeds (Kakakhel). Though they are the type described below, they have an actual family tree which leads to the bloodline of Prophet muhammad (pbuh) aswell as their own website and are one of the most well known Pashtun syeds or so I am told. Kakasahib's (who was the spiritual leader of the Kakakhel's aswell as being one of the most well known islamic scholars amongst Pashtuns) son was killed by Kushal Khan Khattack's son. When he was arrested by the mughals he wrote this Poem in prison: " za pa band da Aurangzeb na yam chey ba khlaas sham
za band karhey sheikh rehamkar ziarhee-kaka yam". Ziarhee kaka was another name for Kakasahib.

[Badlun]

This is an interesting question my mums family are syeds (Kakakhel). Though they are the type described below, they have an actual family tree which leads to the bloodline of Prophet muhammad (pbuh) aswell as their own website and are one of the most well known Pashtun syeds or so I am told. Kakasahib's (who was the spiritual leader of the Kakakhel's aswell as being one of the most well known islamic scholars amongst Pashtuns) son was killed by Kushal Khan Khattack's son. When he was arrested by the mughals he wrote this Poem in prison: " za pa band da Aurangzeb na yam chey ba khlaas sham
za band karhey sheikh rehamkar ziarhee-kaka yam". Ziarhee kaka was another name for Kakasahib.

Kakakhels are pure blood Pashtuns. They are not at all Arabs. Actually some families because of inferiority or superiority complexes and as Islam was en vogue, so for better prestige invented and fabricated family trees for more importance and attention in Pashtun societies. The same even happened of tracing all Pashtun tribes to Qais Abdul Rashid for credibility that Pashtuns are a better race being Jews or Arabs.

I love Kakakhel Pashtuns , as their contribution to Pashto language is enormous.

[Sarbani]

Kakakhels are pure blood Pashtuns. They are not at all Arabs. Actually some families because of inferiority or superiority complexes and as Islam was en vogue, so for better prestige invented and fabricated family trees for more importance and attention in Pashtun societies. The same even happened of tracing all Pashtun tribes to Qais Abdul Rashid for credibility that Pashtuns are a better race being Jews or Arabs.

I love Kakakhel Pashtuns , as their contribution to Pashto language is enormous.

Do you know the name of the guy who started the whole "Jewish descent theory" nonsense? I heard that he started it to make it seem like Pashtuns belonged to a holier lineage than the Mughals did as a form of bragging rights.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

A Pashtun who has the title of syed. For example there is an Afghan football player who's name is Syed Maqsood Hashimi. Though lots of people give their kids the name Syed when they are not real Syeds.
I am partly a Syed from Kunar.

The Sad''at of Kunarh & Laghman originate from Syria , this has actually been confirmed. Whether they're actually Sayeds or not, is up for debate but they're immigrated to Afghanistan sometime ago.

[Badlun]

The Sad''at of Kunarh & Laghman originate from Syria , this has actually been confirmed. Whether they're actually Sayeds or not, is up for debate but they're immigrated to Afghanistan sometime ago.

I would love to know how and why these people left Syria for the mountains of Kunar? I dont see any attraction that some one will leave Syria for Afghanistan.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I would love to know how and why these people left Syria for the mountains of Kunar? I dont see any attraction that some one will leave Syria for Afghanistan.

According to one Sad'at I know from Laghman they told me what happened was they were invited there by Sufi Pir.

Well you have to understand, they don't have your European mentality that is looking for tourism.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Says here Sayyids of Kunar are descendents of Mahmud Pacha Sayyid also known as Babu Jan. Sayyid Jamaludin Afghani was according to this one of his descendants as well.
https://books.google.com/books?id=bv...0kunar&f=false

Correct, but the Sad'at started living in Kunarh long before Sayed Mahmud Pacha. I'm told they came to the region during the Mughal period But I can't confirm this so this could be apocryphal.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Are there any famous Sad'ats?

Yes many you just named one.

[HalloIsBack]

Do you know the name of the guy who started the whole "Jewish descent theory" nonsense? I heard that he started it to make it seem like Pashtuns belonged to a holier lineage than the Mughals did as a form of bragging rights.

no i dont but im interested in it

[Adam]

Pretty sure most South Asian "Syed" are the descendants of upper class Hindu converts who still wanted to maintain some prestige in society after they left the caste system.

Also,

The Islamic invasion in the 7th century CE left an immense cultural impact on the region, with reports of Arabs settling in Afghanistan and mixing with the local population [49]. However the genetic signal of this expansion is not clearly evident: some Middle Eastern lineages such as E1b1b1-M35 are present in Afghanistan, but the most prevalent lineage among Arabs (J1-M267) was only found in one Afghan subject. In addition, the three Afghans that identified their ethnicity as Arab, had lineages autochthonous to India.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0034288