Pakhtun, afghan and pathan.

[Toramana]

I have been to Hazara, Abbottabad, Mansehra, Battagram, etc. There may be language variation with many people speaking Hindko and many people Pashto as well but there is a lot of cultural similarity with Pashtuns even if the language is not Pashto. I saw women covering themselves with "paronai"(chaddur) as in our areas and people having almost the same looks and dress as in the north-west. Even the languages in some area have been influenced mutually.

I will link Hazara in particular and Potohar in general with the cultures of the groups in the north-west whether Dardic of Gilgit, Chitral, Kohistan, Kashmir or Iranic (Pashtuns ) of Peshawar Valley and beyond.

I believe most of the Hindko speaking people are Dardic people in reality descendants of early Indo-Aryans (proto-Indo-Aryan) that also got mixed with Pashtuns e.g. Swatis, Shilmanis, Tarins, Jadoons, Dalazaks, etc.

[Toramana]

I also don't believe in the views of the articles posted above. In my opinion, Pashtun ethnic formation started with the invasion of this region by Sakas who formed the first layer and who also got mixed up with the indigenous proto-Indo-Aryans, i.e., Dardic and other groups. The Kushans, Hapthalites added the successive layers. The formation of MODERN Pashtuns started in 4th, 5th Century AD and was completed by 12th, 13th Century AD.

[Sarbani]

You are right about langauge, urdu of hindkowans is not heavily accented like pashtuns. About the burqa part, pashtun women in swabi, mardan, charsada, swat, nowshera, dont wear burqa either.

Actually they do wear the burqa there, at least in Swabi, where I have yet to see a woman not wearing a burqa.

[Toramana]

Actually they do wear the burqa there, at least in Swabi, where I have yet to see a woman not wearing a burqa.

No, in Sawabi they wear their local paronai or chaddar.

[Kushan Prince]

I also don't believe in the views of the articles posted above. In my opinion, Pashtun ethnic formation started with the invasion of this region by Sakas who formed the first layer and who also got mixed up with the indigenous proto-Indo-Aryans, i.e., Dardic and other groups. The Kushans, Hapthalites added the successive layers. The formation of MODERN Pashtuns started in 4th, 5th Century AD and was completed by 12th, 13th Century AD.

Well the sakas themselves were a sub group of the Aryans and if Pashtuns only appeared in modern times, then that means they are no older then 1000 years old which i disagree with.

[Baraki]

Man the family that I have in FATA embrace the word Awghan/Afghan.. I do too because I am 100% Afghan ethnically wise but 50% Afghan nationality wise. Anyways, I have noticed that in Mardan everyone says PATHAN.. lots in Pekhawar too but in rural areas of KPK and pretty much all of FATA it is PASHTUN/PAKHTUN/AFGHAN.

[rednwhite99]

Man the family that I have in FATA embrace the word Awghan/Afghan.. I do too because I am 100% Afghan ethnically wise but 50% Afghan nationality wise. Anyways, I have noticed that in Mardan everyone says PATHAN.. lots in Pekhawar too but in rural areas of KPK and pretty much all of FATA it is PASHTUN/PAKHTUN/AFGHAN.

I know alot of wazirs, afridis and turis are my family members. maybe u r rite with the family that u r talking about but most of the fata people differentiate themselves from Afghan refugees and even some knw ethnic afghan was used in past for pashtuns they dont use it. Only the ones who have intermarried with Afghans say it.
Some Anp followers say it or the ones who have intermarried with Afghan citizens

[Baraki]

I know alot of wazirs, afridis and turis are my family members. maybe u r rite with the family that u r talking about but most of the fata people differentiate themselves from Afghan refugees and even some knw ethnic afghan was used in past for pashtuns they dont use it. Only the ones who have intermarried with Afghans say it.
Some Anp followers say it or the ones who have intermarried with Afghan citizens

no no, they differentiate in this way: they know Afghan is an ethnic term and when they use a term to describe people from AFGHANISTAN they say "afghani" even though that is an incorrect term. Awghan = Pashtun and Afghani = national of Afghanistan.

I know it is not the right term but that is how they use it lol.

[Sarbani]

No, in Sawabi they wear their local paronai or chaddar.

They wear the chel there. I got confused and thought that by burqa they meant any form of clothing in which women are covered from head to toe.

[Sarbani]

no no, they differentiate in this way: they know Afghan is an ethnic term and when they use a term to describe people from AFGHANISTAN they say "afghani" even though that is an incorrect term. Awghan = Pashtun and Afghani = national of Afghanistan.

I know it is not the right term but that is how they use it lol.

Most people I know refer to the Afghan nationals as Kabuli not Afghani. I never hear the word Pathan used by Pashtuns though. I thought only Indics called us that.

[Baraki]

Most people I know refer to the Afghan nationals as Kabuli not Afghani. I never hear the word Pathan used by Pashtuns though. I thought only Indics called us that.

Yeah, I've heard Kabuli/Kandahari etc to refer to Afghan nationals as well regardless of where they really are from. And yes, in my family we don't like the word Pathan but trust me, especially in Mardan, they say it all the time to refer to themselves.. but I know a lot of pakhtuns have to say "pathan" when they are talking to indians/pakistanis because they actually know what pathan means and get confused when you say pashtun.

if you live in the west and you tell a punjabi/mohajir etc that you are pashtun they say "what is that?".. and you go "pathan" and they're like "oh yeah" lol.

[rednwhite99]

Yeah, I've heard Kabuli/Kandahari etc to refer to Afghan nationals as well regardless of where they really are from. And yes, in my family we don't like the word Pathan but trust me, especially in Mardan, they say it all the time to refer to themselves.. but I know a lot of pakhtuns have to say "pathan" when they are talking to indians/pakistanis because they actually know what pathan means and get confused when you say pashtun.

if you live in the west and you tell a punjabi/mohajir etc that you are pashtun they say "what is that?".. and you go "pathan" and they're like "oh yeah" lol.

cmon bro every pakistani knows who is pashtun.. on the other hand indians dnt know what pashtun word refers too as they have only heard of pathans.
every khan is a pathan in india:P

Non Pashtun Pakistanis know this but most people use pathan word as no pashtun tells them back that he/she doesnt like this word . IF pashtuns start telling non pashtuns that they dont like it , i m pretty sure pathan word will vanish in some years completely

[imazharyes]

I have been to Hazara, Abbottabad, Mansehra, Battagram, etc. There may be language variation with many people speaking Hindko and many people Pashto as well but there is a lot of cultural similarity with Pashtuns even if the language is not Pashto. I saw women covering themselves with "paronai"(chaddur) as in our areas and people having almost the same looks and dress as in the north-west. Even the languages in some area have been influenced mutually.

I will link Hazara in particular and Potohar in general with the cultures of the groups in the north-west whether Dardic of Gilgit, Chitral, Kohistan, Kashmir or Iranic (Pashtuns ) of Peshawar Valley and beyond.

I believe most of the Hindko speaking people are Dardic people in reality descendants of early Indo-Aryans (proto-Indo-Aryan) that also got mixed with Pashtuns e.g. Swatis, Shilmanis, Tarins, Jadoons, Dalazaks, etc.

Chitrali culture is not the same as Hindkhowans. Hindkhowans are a mixture of Pushtoons and Punjabis so is their culture. May be you are out of your mind. Chitrali have their own unique culture which is central Asian in essence.

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[RoohMalang]

Chitrali culture is not the same as Hindkhowans. Hindkhowans are a mixture of Pushtoons and Punjabis so is their culture. May be you are out of your mind. Chitrali have their own unique culture which is central Asian in essence.

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Yes. I am Punjabi and have visited Chitral. Chitralis have their own langue and unique customs different from most of us Pakistani. Chitrali hat is however very popular in KPK and Punjab.

[imazharyes]

Yes. I am Punjabi and have visited Chitral. Chitralis have their own langue and unique customs different from most of us Pakistani. Chitrali hat is however very popular in KPK and Punjab.

People make all kind of generalizations. We don't even share our culture with Dir( Pashtoons) District the nearest District to us Hindkhowans would be way way different.

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