Arabization of Pashtun people

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The next stage of Arab nationalism came in the form of al-Qaeda and "global jihad". It is a reaction to the humiliation that they've been facing for the last 100 years. It's about reclaiming Arab pride.

Then why do Global Jihadis fight nationalist Arabs like Sadat and Muammar Qadhafi

Arabs consider non-Arabs (especially Afghans and south Asians) as inferior people.

Yes I'm sure this is common; Just like many Pashtuns look down on Tajiks, Hazaras and South Asians as inferior people; This forum is evidence that this is common. But would you say that Pashtuns look down on others as inferior? The existence of bigots in a culture does not means the people as a people see others as inferior.

Even Assyrians, Egyptians, Berbers and other originally non-Arab people whose cultures and languages have been wiped out by centuries of Arab culture and military imperialism look down on non-Arabs.

I'm sure prejudices exist; but Egypt is considered a cultural center of Arabs all over; most Arabs are into Egyptian Media and Entertainment. Tarek Aziz was President of Iraq during Saddam Hussein; and Saddam Hussein is the EPTIOME of Secular Arab Nationalism; Tarek Aziz is Assyrian. How does someone looked down upon get such high level of status? According to World Fact Book, there are 35 Million Berber speakers in North Africa; If they were wiped out then how come they're Half the Population of Morocco and Algeria are still speaking Berber? Why is Berber a National language of Algeria and Morocco?

An Arab will never accept an Indian religious scholar or a mujajideen leader.

They why do so many Arabs call Mullah Umar "Amir Al Mu'mineen" ; let's forget about the fact that Taliban and extremist Wahhabis are misguided; Mullah Umar isn't an Arab; but yet many Arabs refer to him as Amir?

Many Arab books cite Indian Scholars like Shah Waliyullah and Shah Ismail Shahid;


This isn't about detending Arabs, Arabs just like Pashtuns are flawed, ignorant and backwards people for the most part; with many disgraceful and unIslamic customs. This is about defending facts. You're not being intellectually honest and presenting factual information but rather a narrative which Ironically was Purveyed by the British and French to divide and rule.

[randolph85]

the mistake is in thinking that arabs are one homogeneous entity. these people are more divided than pashtuns or political entities in afghanistan are. if they weren't, then they would be a world power today based on wealth, geography, and population.

listen to this gaddafi speech at the arab league, towards the end.

Gaddafi speech:'America hanged Saddam and we might be next! (with English) - YouTube

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Arabic should become our official language. We should ask the king of the salafis, his majesty King Abdullah to build consentration camps for people in Afghanistan who are against Arabization. Theconsentration camp should be in the desert and manned by Saudi religious police who cant speak any other language.

[Karachi]

the mistake is in thinking that arabs are one homogeneous entity. these people are more divided than pashtuns or political entities in afghanistan are. if they weren't, then they would be a world power today based on wealth, geography, and population.

listen to this gaddafi speech at the arab league, towards the end.

Gaddafi speech:'America hanged Saddam and we might be next! (with English) - YouTube

arabs are divided because nationalism with in, until they give up their nationalism, they will always fail. pretty much the rest of the muslim world too

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Modern Arab nationalism can be traced from the days of the Ottoman Empire. It was transformed under British and French colonial rule. It underwent more changes while the Arabs struggled against Israel and then the US.

The next stage of Arab nationalism came in the form of al-Qaeda and "global jihad". It is a reaction to the humiliation that they've been facing for the last 100 years. It's about reclaiming Arab pride.

Arabs consider non-Arabs (especially Afghans and south Asians) as inferior people. Even Assyrians, Egyptians, Berbers and other originally non-Arab people whose cultures and languages have been wiped out by centuries of Arab culture and military imperialism look down on non-Arabs. An Arab will never accept an Indian religious scholar or a mujajideen leader. Even during Mullah Omar's rule in Afghanistan, the Arabs answered to Osama bin Laden and not the inferior Pashtun. After all, they speak Arabic (the language of the Quran) and are the same people as Prophet Mohammad so they are superior to us in every way.

Very poor historical recollection and missing a plethora of factual information. This warrants a C+. The plus is for effort and the C is the gentleman's C.

Here is the American Conservative Journal discussing the real roots of Arab Nationalism in that tumultuous era:

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...k-eradication/

"Determined to avoid a repetition of the horrors of 1915, Christians struggled to create a new political order in which they could play a full role. This meant advocating fervent Arab nationalism, a thoroughly secular order in which Christians and other minorities could avoid being overwhelmed by the juggernaut power of Sunni Islam. All Arab peoples, regardless of faith, would join in a shared passion for secular modernity and pan-Arab patriotism, in stark contrast to reactionary Islamism. The pioneering theorist of modern Arab nationalism was Damascus-born Orthodox Christian Constantine Zureiq. Another Orthodox son of Damascus was Michel Aflaq, co-founder of the Ba’ath (Renaissance) Party that played such a pivotal role in the modern history of both Iraq and Syria."

So in summary, secular Arab nationalism was a device created by these minorities to usurp the will of the people and, what Pew data and the University of Maryland Polling along with Dalia Mogahed and Esposito's work show to be the ideo-religious inclination of sunni Muslims in governance.

This is the same reason atheists, failed communists, Mirzais, Ahmadiyas, Shiite groupings, and others constitute the vocal bulk of Pashtun nationalists - it is their way to conjure a narrative that relies on denying the overwhelming will of the majority by cloaking their crypto ideologies in the cloth of "nationalism."

[Bost Bastan News]

Who of you had the chance to have a look on this list of 5000 people who got killed by Khalqis? If you read through the list you will find many hundreds of Mujadeddis. I would say around 500-600 Mojadeddis and around 200 Gailanis are listed there. The son-in-law of Gailani, Mr. Ahady, is also a Mojadeddi whose grand-father came to Afghanistan during King Amanullah Padshah.

Mujadiddis are from India actually and Gailanis are descendants of Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani who came from Iran.

hundred thousands of Gailanis can´t be descendent from one Shaikh. Most these people were Arabs and supporters of that Shaikh. After his death people started to call themselves after their leaders.

[Bost Bastan News]

Coming from you who defends pedophiles like Gul Agha Sherzai and says that defending pedophiles is necessary to fight Pakistan ... those Arabs are better than you at least when it comes to child molestation.

Maybe those Arabs can teach people like Bostan News Agency that having sex with little boys is disgusting and harram.

Arabs are child molesters and killers, looters, hypocrite people nr one. Everyone know this. The most fascist people on earth are camel and donkey-lover bedouins

[Bost Bastan News]

What is your thought about Arabization? Mojadeddi with 16 Mio USD wants to build many Arabic-speaking schools as possible in Afghanistan. These schools will also bring more Arabs to Afghanistan.

[randolph85]

Arabs are child molesters and killers, looters, hypocrite people nr one. Everyone know this. The most fascist people on earth are camel and donkey-lover bedouins

considering the last 40 years in afg, how are pashtuns any better?

[Bost Bastan News]

considering the last 40 years in afg, how are pashtuns any better?

Pashtuns are innocent. They were just used by foreigners due the lack of education among them. They were manipulated and terrorized. People get sick by war. But it´s not only Pashtuns. Also Hazaras and other tribes suffer from these reasons. We Pashtuns just suffer the most because we still live between Pakistan which has a strong influence on us through Pakistani Pashtoosn and the more secular thinking non-Pashtuns whom we fear because of their ''pro-western'' mentality. We fear we can lose everything when we join Hazaras and Farsiwans but lose Pakistani Pashtuns but when we keep on Pakistani Pashtuns we will suffer still but have a bit control of what is happening and what Pakistani is doing in our regions. Slowly, we must take a decision what we really want. Do we want to go for Greater Afghanistan which will bring more damage and suffer to us but at the end we will be united or do we will leave that policy of the past that didn´t benefit Pashtuns and let´s join the peacefull Afghan tribes and share their lifes with us. Getting a better future without war. We decide how out future looks like. We have to decide now. Either now or never.

[randolph85]

Pashtuns are innocent. They were just used by foreigners due the lack of education among them. They were manipulated and terrorized. People get sick by war. But it´s not only Pashtuns. Also Hazaras and other tribes suffer from these reasons. We Pashtuns just suffer the most because we still live between Pakistan which has a strong influence on us through Pakistani Pashtoosn and the more secular thinking non-Pashtuns whom we fear because of their ''pro-western'' mentality. We fear we can lose everything when we join Hazaras and Farsiwans but lose Pakistani Pashtuns but when we keep on Pakistani Pashtuns we will suffer still but have a bit control of what is happening and what Pakistani is doing in our regions. Slowly, we must take a decision what we really want. Do we want to go for Greater Afghanistan which will bring more damage and suffer to us but at the end we will be united or do we will leave that policy of the past that didn´t benefit Pashtuns and let´s join the peacefull Afghan tribes and share their lifes with us. Getting a better future without war. We decide how out future looks like. We have to decide now. Either now or never.

you can't use anyone if they aren't willing to be used. if pashtuns are innocent for being used, then so are arabs and so is everyone else that has ever spilled blood and everyone's transgressions should be excused if that is the case. by saying we are just innocent people who have been used is to assume that we are like children who don't know any better.

[Bost Bastan News]

Saudis had no war since 1940 and they are still fascists, killers, rapers, murderers. You can´t expect from Afghanistan, a country that is till stucking in war after 35years is better. At least we can get better! Never give up hope

[Bost Bastan News]

you can't use anyone if they aren't willing to be used. if pashtuns are innocent for being used, then so are arabs and so is everyone else that has ever spilled blood and everyone's transgressions should be excused if that is the case. by saying we are just innocent people who have been used is to assume that we are like children who don't know any better.

Pashtuns don´t understand Arabic. Arabs do. Arab youth in west are mostly fundamentalistic. On my first trip to Denmark in 2009 I saw mayn young Arabs. Islam is a strong weapon used by Arabs against Muslims to enslave the Muslim world.

[randolph85]

Pashtuns don´t understand Arabic. Arabs do. Arab youth in west are mostly fundamentalistic. On my first trip to Denmark in 2009 I saw mayn young Arabs. Islam is a strong weapon used by Arabs against Muslims to enslave the Muslim world.

are you saying that because pashtuns don't understand arabic then they are easily persuaded to do things that are unislamic? well what about the pashtun who runs the madrassa? his boss? that guys boss? none of these pashtuns know arabic?

its not just arabs. karzai knows english, hasn't stopped him from selling out afghanistan. i am sure there were afghan communists who knew russian, didn't stop them from selling their souls.

[Bost Bastan News]

are you saying that because pashtuns don't understand arabic then they are easily persuaded to do things that are unislamic? well what about the pashtun who runs the madrassa? his boss? that guys boss? none of these pashtuns know arabic?

its not just arabs. karzai knows english, hasn't stopped him from selling out afghanistan. i am sure there were afghan communists who knew russian, didn't stop them from selling their souls.

bro, come to Kandahar and visit most mosques that are owned by Pashtuns and you will see they are peacefull owners. They don´t preach hatefull comments or don´t follow any political ideology. Those who preach about hate are mostly wahabits from pakistan. In Kabul Hizbi Islami has owned three mosques and all are in favour of wahabism. All of them in the pashtun district. The people now can decide to visit the mosque for praying or staying at home. Those mullahs are preaching about offensive jihad and get even nationalistic. What has nationalism to do with islam? these people are munafiq. Majority of their victims are refugee people. people send their children there to learn writing and reading. The government can´t do much because it would anger those Hizbis.