Pashtuns' Identity Crisis to be tackled on war footings basis

[Badlun]

Serious steps must be taken by millions of Pashtuns to have their own identity. They are already divided in 2 states. In Afghanistan they are mixed with other Afghans and in Pakistan they are divided into three administrative units of FATA, KP and Baluchistan.

More than 45% of Baluchistan is Pashtun but always they are identified as Balochs or baluchistani.

I was shocked to see the following news item calling a Pashtun girl to be a Baluchistan girl

Balochistan girl scores top grades in ‘O Levels'

http://dawn.com/news/1043256/balochistan-girl-scores-top-grades-in-o-levels

How this identity crisis can be resolved? Your comments please.

[waterbear_waterbear]

Serious steps must be taken by millions of Pashtuns to have their own identity. They are already divided in 2 states. In Afghanistan they are mixed with other Afghans and in Pakistan they are divided into three administrative units of FATA, KP and Baluchistan.

More than 45% of Baluchistan is Pashtun but always they are identified as Balochs or baluchistani.

I was shocked to see the following news item calling a Pashtun girl to be a Baluchistan girl

Balochistan girl scores top grades in ‘O Levels'

http://dawn.com/news/1043256/balochistan-girl-scores-top-grades-in-o-levels

How this identity crisis can be resolved? Your comments please.

1. I got an anxiety attack cause of this identity crisis.
2. Yeah, Balochistan is a good case, Pashtuns are 50% of Balochistan however they're only concentrated on less than 10% of the Landmass of Balochistan. The Northern part of Baluchistan is Pashtun but should really be part of KPK. Qalat should be the capital, not quetta where Gharghust Pashtuns live (Gharghust are a supertribe like Ghilzais, Karlans and Sarbans, A Pashtun tribe of it's own, independant from Baloch)
3. A few Baloch tribes are Pashtun tribes that were assimilated, like you can find Yusufzais absorbed in the Baloch culture.

[waterbear_waterbear]

In Afghanistan they are mixed with other Afghans .

Not Afghanistan or other afghans, it's Khorasan. I Khorasan, they're mixed with Khorasanis, Tajiks, Uzbecks and Hazaras, and Dardic Nuristanis too. They are not AFghan if they're not Pashtun.

[Badlun]

Not Afghanistan or other afghans, it's Khorasan. I Khorasan, they're mixed with Khorasanis, Tajiks, Uzbecks and Hazaras, and Dardic Nuristanis too. They are not AFghan if they're not Pashtun.

I do not know any country by the name of Khorasan. Aaccording to the constitution and national anthem of Afghaistan every citizen including Pashtun,Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, Baloch etc are Afghans.

Should I listen to you or to the constitution of Afghanistan?

Gone are the days that Pashtun and Afghan were used synonymously. Now it is a constitutional crime. Otherwise the government of Afghanistan will have to give passports to 30 million Pashtuns living in Pakistan if every Pashtun is Afghan.

[waterbear_waterbear]

I do not know any country by the name of Khorasan. Aaccording to the constitution and national anthem of Afghaistan every citizen including Pashtun,Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, Baloch etc are Afghans.

Should I listen to you or to the constitution of Afghanistan?

Gone are the days that Pashtun and Afghan were used synonymously. Now it is a constitutional crime. Otherwise the government of Afghanistan will have to give passports to 30 million Pashtuns living in Pakistan if every Pashtun is Afghan.

Actually for the past 100 years, they tried to doing that, but The Sikhs, then the British and Now Pakistan won't let them have the passports.

Okay, who's responsible for making the constitution multi-ethnic?

[waterbear_waterbear]

I do not know any country by the name of Khorasan. Aaccording to the constitution and national anthem of Afghaistan every citizen including Pashtun,Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, Baloch etc are Afghans.

Should I listen to you or to the constitution of Afghanistan?

Gone are the days that Pashtun and Afghan were used synonymously. Now it is a constitutional crime. Otherwise the government of Afghanistan will have to give passports to 30 million Pashtuns living in Pakistan if every Pashtun is Afghan.

If Afghanistan still does not recognize the Durrand Line, they literally want to win back the hearts of Pakistani Pashtuns. That's probably the Northern Alliance objecting the aquisition of KPK and FATA.

[Badlun]

Actually for the past 100 years, they tried to doing that, but The Sikhs, then the British and Now Pakistan won't let them have the passports.

Okay, who's responsible for making the constitution multi-ethnic?

If a country like Israel announces that every Jew can come to Israel then no body can stop them.

Afghanistan parliament has passed the constitution. Afghanistan does it in its own national interest. They will not get Pakistani Pashtuns and do not want to lose the non Pashtun population of Afghanistan. Thus calling all of them as Afghan. In this measure identity of Pashtun as Afghan is lost.

A better term will be Afghansitani on the pattern of Pakistani for the nationality of Afghanistan. This way the identity of each Pashtun as Afghan can be guaranteed.

In Pakistan the name of nationality is Pakistani while every ethnic group uses its own identity like Pashtun, Baloch, Panjabi, Sindhi etc. Even in land documents Pashtuns are called Afghans.

[khushal]

badlun,
if you object for a Pashtun girl to be called baloch in Baluchistan, then why are you ok with a Tajik, hazara to be called afghan in Afghanistan. you contradict yourself.

[waterbear_waterbear]

If a country like Israel announces that every Jew can come to Israel then no body can stop them.

Afghanistan parliament has passed the constitution. Afghanistan does it in its own national interest. They will not get Pakistani Pashtuns and do not want to lose the non Pashtun population of Afghanistan. Thus calling all of them as Afghan. In this measure identity of Pashtun as Afghan is lost.

A better term will be Afghansitani on the pattern of Pakistani for the nationality of Afghanistan. This way the identity of each Pashtun as Afghan can be guaranteed.

In Pakistan the name of nationality is Pakistani while every ethnic group uses its own identity like Pashtun, Baloch, Panjabi, Sindhi etc. Even in land documents Pashtuns are called Afghans.

Yes, Israel sorta did make a call for every jew to come back.

You're saying Afghan-istan with the Istan means citizenship while Afghan without the Stan means Pashtuns? So Pakistani Pashtuns are Afghans and but not Afghan"istanis". Tajiks and Hazaras are Afghan"istanis" but not Afghans?

[Badlun]

Yes, Israel sorta did make a call for every jew to come back.

You're saying Afghan-istan with the Istan means citizenship while Afghan without the Stan means Pashtuns? So Pakistani Pashtuns are Afghans and but not Afghan"istanis". Tajiks and Hazaras are Afghan"istanis" but not Afghans?

Exactly You have understood me perfectly. There should be a movement in Afghanistan that the nationality for all the citizens should be changed from Afghan to Afghanistani. This way non Pashtuns will not be offended by calling them Afghans and Pashtuns will not lose their other name Afghan.

Now there is confusion. Pashtuns are ethnic Afghans but politically(constitutionally) Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks etc are also Afghans. There are many non Pashtuns who do not like to be called Afghans and prefers terms like Khorasani but Pashtun Afghanistanis do no like this word for them.

Thus consensus can be reached by calling all citizens as Afghansitanis while Afghan should be used only for Pashtuns as it was always used in history.

In Pakistan Pashtuns in Balochistan must have their own identity. All citizens of Balochistan are not Baloch but Balochistani. Name of the region is Balochistan where many ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Barohi, Baloch live. The best way will be if Pashtuns of Balochistan get their own province or merged with KP along with FATA.

[waterbear_waterbear]

Exactly You have understood me perfectly. There should be a movement in Afghanistan that the nationality for all the citizens should be changed from Afghan to Afghanistani. This way non Pashtuns will not be offended by calling them Afghans and Pashtuns will not lose their other name Afghan.

Now there is confusion. Pashtuns are ethnic Afghans but politically(constitutionally) Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks etc are also Afghans. There are many non Pashtuns who do not like to be called Afghans and prefers terms like Khorasani but Pashtun Afghanistanis do no like this word for them.

Thus consensus can be reached by calling all citizens as Afghansitanis while Afghan should be used only for Pashtuns as it was always used in history.

In Pakistan Pashtuns in Balochistan must have their own identity. All citizens of Balochistan are not Baloch but Balochistani. Name of the region is Balochistan where many ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Barohi, Baloch live. The best way will be if Pashtuns of Balochistan get their own province or merged with KP along with FATA.

The Human brain can't distinguish Afghan or Baloch from Afghanistani or Balochistani. But we can notice Paki from Pakistani, since it sounds offensive right away. Why is that? IT's a very Good thing Pakistan wasn't named Punjabstan or Punjabdesh.... Oh, west Bengal and Bangladesh, on either side are Bengalis, but Bangla"deshis" are only on the east?

[Khostai]

badlun,
if you object for a Pashtun girl to be called baloch in Baluchistan, then why are you ok with a Tajik, hazara to be called afghan in Afghanistan. you contradict yourself.

Thats not the same, if Tajik or Hazara call themself Pashtun that would be wrong. Afghan is now a nationality, like having a German pasport that makes you german by nationality, but your ethnicity is still Pashtun or what ever.
Thats is also the case with Tajiks and Hazaras, like Pashtun in Pakistan, they are Pakistany by nationality, is this so hard to understand?

[khushal]

^^Oh I see, its OK for you to do it but not OK for others to do it. You follow the "do as I say, not as I do" philosophy.

[ronalqph]

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[Kushan Prince]

^^Oh I see, its OK for you to do it but not OK for others to do it. You follow the "do as I say, not as I do" philosophy.

Afghan is now a nationality bro.