Kissing hands of Elderly

[Friend]

I have not heard Swat is located in Punjab.

[khushal]

but your indicating as though you belong to a different ethnic group, as though you have a different culture from the people your talking to. so are you a panjabi that is from swat?

[Friend]

but your indicating as though you belong to a different ethnic group, as though you have a different culture from the people your talking to. so are you a panjabi that is from swat?

What made you saying that I am from a different culture or ethnic group ? Couldn't get your point.

[Pisho]

what is your side?

@jamaldeen
who does this kissing of hand, I have never seen it. I have seen people in Kabul kiss each other on the cheek when they greet.

In pashun culture u do kiss hands of old folk ur just too westernized :P
And ur parents never thought u to?

[Gulalai]

In pashun culture u do kiss hands of old folk ur just too westernized :P
And ur parents never thought u to?

:O she called Khushal wror westernized

dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[khushal]

In pashun culture u do kiss hands of old folk ur just too westernized :P
And ur parents never thought u to?

I am from pakya, I never saw anyone kiss anyones hand. We greet each other with a hug or a hand shake. Pashtun culture emphasis equality, so kissing the hand of someone else would hint at subordinate. Unless the elder person is like a father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, I dont see it as pashtun culture. You may have picked it up from another culture.

But as far as your comment about westernized is concerned. In the west men kiss the hands of women, also it is customary to kiss the hand of the pope and royalty and the jews kiss the hand of the rabbi. So I dont know why you think that the west does not have it. If you do it, you are more westernized than I am.

[khushal]

What made you saying that I am from a different culture or ethnic group ? Couldn't get your point.

Instead of explaining that you have not seen it, your talking in a way that reveals your an out(side)r.

[Kushan Prince]

Italians also do this. Some cultural similarity here.

[Pisho]

I am from pakya, I never saw anyone kiss anyones hand. We greet each other with a hug or a hand shake. Pashtun culture emphasis equality, so kissing the hand of someone else would hint at subordinate. Unless the elder person is like a father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, I dont see it as pashtun culture. You may have picked it up from another culture.

But as far as your comment about westernized is concerned. In the west men kiss the hands of women, also it is customary to kiss the hand of the pope and royalty and the jews kiss the hand of the rabbi. So I dont know why you think that the west does not have it. If you do it, you are more westernized than I am.

And im from helmand
Means nothingNo I meant if ur parents never told u it doesn't mean it's untrue
And usually it's elders like grandma and family members but ur supposed to be polite and do it for all
The reason I pick on u was not just to make fun but to make u understand.. U r analyzing this like a western lol

[khushal]

And im from helmand
Means nothingNo I meant if ur parents never told u it doesn't mean it's untrue
And usually it's elders like grandma and family members but ur supposed to be polite and do it for all
The reason I pick on u was not just to make fun but to make u understand.. U r analyzing this like a western lol

Everyone on here except you and jamaldeen says its afghan culture while the rest of us have never heard of it except in western culture and Im the one who is analysing it like a western. Its you who dont understand your culture. Go read about how hand kissing came to existance, it comes from submissiveness and pashtunwali encourages against this practice, this is some foreign thing people are doing.

Show me proof that this is pashtun culture as you say it is.

[Breshna]

Hand-kissing

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Denis Thatcher greets U.S. First Lady Nancy Reagan by kissing her hand, 1988.


Hand-kissing is a gesture indicating courtesy, politeness, respect, admiration or even devotion by a man towards a woman, by a vassal towards their master or a child towards their parent or grandparent.
A hand-kiss is initiated by the person receiving the greeting by holding out their hand with the palm facing downward. The person kissing bows towards the offered hand and (symbolically) touches the knuckles with their lips, while lightly holding the offered hand. However, the lips do not actually touch the hand in modern tradition. The gesture is short, lasting less than a second.
Hand-kissing has become rare and is mostly restricted to conservative upper class or diplomats.
In Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei, hand-kissing is a common way to greet elder people of both genders. After kissing the hand, the greeter will draw the hand to his own forehead.
The hand-kiss is used quite prominently in The Godfather series, as a way to indicate the person who is the Don. It also features in epoch films, such as Dangerous Liaisons.

Chivalrous gesture

A hand-kiss was considered a respectful way for gentleman to greet a lady. The practice originated in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Spanish courts of the 17th and 18th centuries. The gesture is still at times observed in Central and Eastern Europe, namely, Poland, Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Russia (see here).
Traditionally, the hand-kiss was initiated by a woman, who offered her hand to a man to kiss. The lady offering her hand was expected to be of the same or higher social status than the man. It was a gesture of courtesy and extreme politeness, and it was considered impolite to refuse an offered hand. Today, the practice is very uncommon in Northern European countries, and has been largely replaced by a kiss on the cheek or a handshake.
Today, the hand-kiss is sometimes used as a romantic gesture, usually in parting and usually initiated by a man. It could be used to convey a feeling of a more traditional and emotional attraction, rather than a superficial one that has become a stereotype of the 21st century. The gesture could be misconstrued as a parody or mockery of the original gesture, and indeed at times it may be used as such, but this is not always the sole intention. For example, it would not be mockery for a man saying goodnight to his girlfriend to kiss her hand, but a person who greatly exaggerated the practice would be clearly seen as mocking it as well as the person whose hand is being kissed.

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  A nobleman kissing a lady's hand, by Pietro Longhi, 1746
  
  
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  In the theatre, 19th/20th century
  
  

Gesture of fidelity

It was also a gesture of formal submission or pledge of allegiance of man to man or as a diplomatic gesture. The gesture would indicate submission by kissing the signet ring (a form of seal worn as a jewelry ring), the person's symbol of authority. The gesture was common in the European upper class throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. It started to disappear in the 20th century, to be replaced by the egalitarian hand shake. However, former French president Jacques Chirac made hand-kissing his trademark and the gesture is still encountered in diplomatic situations.

Peasant woman kissing the hand of Ferdinand of Bulgaria, 1916



President of Brazil (2011–2015) Dilma Rousseff and Prince Felipe of Spain during her inaugural ceremony on 1 January 2011


Religious usage


The Vice President of Brazil (2003–2010), José Alencar, kisses the ring on the right hand of Cardinal José Freire Falcão


In the Roman Catholic Church, a Catholic meeting the Pope or a Cardinal, or even a lower-ranking prelate, will kiss the ring on his hand. This has become uncommon in circles not used to formal protocol, even often dispensed with amongst clergy. However it is still more common in the more demonstrative Mediterranean cultures, especially the Italian baciamano. Sometimes, the devout Catholic combines the hand kissing with kneeling on the left knee as an even stronger expression of filial respect for the clerically high-ranking father. The cleric may then in a fatherly way lay his other hand on the kisser's head or even bless him/her by a manual cross sign. In the Catholic Church, it is also traditional for the laity to kiss the hands of a newly-ordained priest after his inaugural mass, in veneration of the Body of Christ, which is held in the priest's hands during the Holy Eucharist.
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, including the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate, Macedonian Orthodox Church, and Montenegrin Orthodox Church, it is appropriate and common for laity to greet clergy, whether priests or bishops, by making a profound bow and saying, "Father, bless" (to a priest) or "Master, bless" (to a bishop) while placing their right hand, palm up, in front of their bodies. The priest then blesses them with the sign of the cross and then places his hand in theirs, offering the opportunity to kiss his hand. Orthodox Christians kiss their priest's hands not only to honor their spiritual father confessor, but in veneration of the Body of Christ which the priest handles during the Divine Liturgy as he prepares Holy Communion. The profound bow is frequently omitted. A similar ritual occurs when an Orthodox Christian approaches an icon he wishes to venerate. First the Christian makes a profound bow and makes the sign of the cross twice. Then he approaches the icon more closely, kissing the icon, usually on the representation of Christ's feet or the saint's hand. Lastly, he will make a final profound bow and make the sign of the cross. Orthodox theology teaches that, honor given to the Virgin Mary, ascends to him who was enfleshed by her. This applies to saint's relics or icons and in this case, to the priest's hand. Lastly, it is a common practice when writing a letter to a priest to begin with the words "Father Bless" rather than "Dear Father" and end the letter with the words "Kissing your right hand" rather than "Sincerely."
In Chassidic Judaism, when one meets a Rabbi, it is customary to kiss his right hand.[citation needed] It is also traditional, in all branches of Judaism, to show respect to one's parent using a similar gesture.[citation needed]
There are records of hand-kissing in the Islamic Caliphate as early as the 7th century.[1]






We don't kiss Elders hands.


Nor have i ever seen in Southern Afghanistan yet.

[Pisho]

Here u go al westernized kids read and be happy hahahaha

http://www.omgangsvormen.nl/afghanistan.htm

Khushal next time don't even bother replying sweety

[Pisho]

Tradition and culture in Afghanistan*

een bijdrage van Noory Wardak*

*noory.wardak@minbuza.nl

Afghanistan is a country that many tribes with different culture and traditions are living in, the following are some of the main cultures and tradition

1.****** Afghan young generation is respecting their parents and elders

2.****** All Afghans especially Pashtuns are respecting women in the society

3.****** All Afghans has a special faith and says that the guest is a friend of God, if you are respecting your guest then you are respecting the God.

4.****** All Afghans like their neighborhood families, they are saying that the neighbors are the closest relatives to be respected.* They will participate you in your good events and bad events that you will have in your life.

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5.****** If two Afghans see each other, it doesn’t matter if they know each other or not, one of them says to another (Asalamo Alikom) on the reply the other Afghan says (Walikom Wa Salam). For more respect some of them are putting their right or left hand on their chest when the are saying* (Asalamo Alikom) or** (Walikom Wa Salam).

6.****** If two close relatives (son and father or young relative and old relative etc.) visit each other after long time, they keep each other in their arms, then the older is kissing the younger and the younger is kissing the hands of the older or elder.

7.****** *If two friends or relatives with almost the same age visit each other, they shake hands and case each other once or two times.

8.****** If two girls that they will be friends of each other or classmates or……, they are shaking hands of each other and kissing each other.* Some times they are kissing each other even more than ten times.

9.****** Usually men and women don’t shake hands when they are not very close relatives.* Even when they are close relative they are not shaking hands, if they shake hands the women are first covering their right hands with Chader (big cloth that woman are wearing to cover her body and face) then they shake hands with their close relatives, Pashtun tradition.

10.** Not any man can kiss a woman but her father, father in law, grand father, uncle and sometimes her brothers.

11.** In Pashtun society when a girl get married, for the coming two years the women doesn’t show her face to her husband in front of the society instead she is hiding her face with the Chader she has.

12.** The majority of women in Pashtun society are keeping their faces hidden for ever even from the brothers of her husband and some other men those has family links with her husband.*

[Laila]

Its quite normal to kiss the elderly hands. It just a quick peck on the hand. You wont see too many older folks doing it, but usually its expected of the little kids and young adults to kiss the grandfather, grandmother, agha sahib, haji sahib, bebe haji sahiba, etc. Including the oldest uncle and aunt, from both sides. Usually kids at a young age are taught to do that, to respect the elderly. I was taught it and i still do it all the time.

[Gulalai]

next time you guys go to a afghan/pakhtun get together where there are pashtuns from different areas, watch what they do when youre doing stare mashi and khudai pa amani... some kiss elder's hands some dont... so whats the big deal? -.- sa khalk ba adaat yi sa khalk ba adaat na yi