Afghan women are the biggest victims in Afghanistan

[faye]

There are people in the world that say and do believe anything, Muhammad never forced people into Islam, the same way Pashtun wasnt pushed into islam is the same with other races, he pushed people in a way of spreading his knowledge and fought the people that tried to destroy Islam and block him convaying the message of god and salvation to the people, he never forced anyone.

Ovcourse moderate Muslims on numerous occasions have taken a stand against extremism but the west doesn't like to show that on tv, here in the UK Muslims have condemned terrorist attacks in rally's iv seen it myself, clearly it's not an image the media giants want to expose about Muslims, you think rupert murdok would ever show peace loving muslims?

well, personally i do not believe that the muslims went around the world and took control of others purely by niceties, manzareh. i think you need to do a bit more research on the history of the muslim invasions because even in books written by muslim historians, it says that some countries were attacked by muslims, over and over again, before they were totally controlled by the invaders.
even 2010, mentioned afghans invading india over and over, 14 times, i think he said, before forcing the hindus to accept islam.

in australia, muslims coming out and protesting against muslim extremists would make the news.

one can always get the attention of media by using creative tactics. i would have pretended a public stoning. that would have attracted the media attention. then the message of non support of muslim xtremism could be put out there.

[faye]

This is a human nature that every human being strives and look for the best to get and adopt and then to spread the best in the world, like when some medicine is made for some disease then the scientists try their level best to spread it in the world and the people try their level best to get at any cost or whatever any other good thing comes in the world people get it and spread it so Islam is the best religion and the Islamic principles are the best for the life so why not should it be spread throughout the world and why should it not be in the access of every human being. Faye, you are also invited to taste the beauty of Islam and get the best for this life and the life after death.

friend, dear, for me, i have no need of a religion. i already have my beliefs. for you, islam is the best but for many they do not consider this the best. the idea is out there and can be utilised by those who choose.
in a secular society one is allowed to choose
do you really think 'the best' beliefs, should be spread by violence?
so far all of these religions and systems are not working well. we all have a lot to do to improve the state of the world and we all have to work togethe,r because we are all in the human family.

[Dota]

who chose these governments who are fighting a war in Iraq,Afghanistan and elsewhere ?

who re-elected Bush ? to fight his war on ?

who elected Obama who is waging a war stil in Afghanistan,nothing changed with Guantanamo ?

Muslims need to stop thinking the world revolves around them. Obama was elected because of certain socialist policies that he claimed to champion. It had nothing to do with the wars. Furthermore, Westerns tend to be far more moral than easterners. I never saw Muslims protest the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus. Yet we expect whites to protest wars against us. I never saw Muslims protest the ethnic cleansing against the East Timor population in Indonesia, yet we expect whites to protest wars waged against us. We hold whites up to a higher moral standard than we hold ourselves up to. Whats with the hypocrisy?

[faye]

Many christians believe that the whole world is to be christianized (for example christianity in africa )
So ?


1. SO, supposed 'war analyst'...expect repurcussions. as many of the muslim countries are in a state of not working, and if christian created countries are where people like you have flocked to and propose to infiltrate and take over, then don't complain about prejudice against you.

Should we therefore support the west in its war against these people,or by peaceful means ?

2. peaceful means, lol. you and peaceful means, is an oxymoron. you are a ghoulish death freak who likes snuff movies, so don't try and play the 'peacenik' in front of people who have seen where you are really at.
you are supporting the west if you are in the west and paying taxes.
why are you not in afghanistan supporting that muslim country?

Why does not the vatican act against the radical christians ?


3.i don't know. you're the 'war analyst' you tell me.



who chose these governments who are fighting a war in Iraq,Afghanistan and elsewhere ?
who re-elected Bush ? to fight his war on ?
who elected Obama who is waging a war stil in Afghanistan,nothing changed with Guantanamo ?

4.who chose the taliban to govern afghanistan and have al-qaeda and the jihad training camps there?
OOOHHH...they did...welllllllll.........

[Manzareh]

4.who chose the taliban to govern afghanistan and have al-qaeda and the jihad training camps there?
OOOHHH...they did...welllllllll.........

America did, they funded the taliban and put them in power. now what?

[faye]

manzareh, pssssttt, whatever you do, don't let lynx and 2010 know that.

[Manzareh]

well, personally i do not believe that the muslims went around the world and took control of others purely by niceties, manzareh. i think you need to do a bit more research on the history of the muslim invasions because even in books written by muslim historians, it says that some countries were attacked by muslims, over and over again, before they were totally controlled by the invaders.
even 2010, mentioned afghans invading india over and over, 14 times, i think he said, before forcing the hindus to accept islam..

Thats you personally, i think you need to do your research into why the prophet muhammed took certain steps and do more research into the situation and politics of the world at that time of the invasions.

but before we carry out this discussion, whats your conclusion? if your saying muslims should shut up and bare being persecuted in 2012 because certain muslims a thousand years ago invaded people then its also right for me to say the west deserves to have a genocide in its countries for it doing the same for hundreds of years, or does your logic only work 1 way? slightly biased arnt you, if your not saying that then why do you keep mentioning this concept over and over again, what are you getting at?

in australia, muslims coming out and protesting against muslim extremists would make the news one can always get the attention of media by using creative tactics. i would have pretended a public stoning. that would have attracted the media attention. then the message of non support of muslim xtremism could be put out there.

bullshiit it would make the news! yeah right. There was a imam head of a big mosque in sydney condemd extremism and set up stalls and protests, the only publicity he got was a member of parliament that said he was an inapprpriate spokesman, i cant find the article but it was titled australian imam against muslim extremism in australia or something il try and find it for you.

heres an example of actions against extremism by australian muslims
http://www.alsunna.org/extremism.htm

other than australia, have you heard about the international organisation MAE (muslims against extremism) does that ever come in any newspapers?

what about these muslims http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...rorism/0012212

heres a quote from thier website:

“The American Muslim,” an important Islamic organ and one that claims the label of “moderate Muslim,” is hypersensitive to the feelings of many Americans that Muslims are silent on terrorism. TAM states that “Muslims are accused of not speaking up or of not speaking up loudly or clearly enough. This is a baseless claim.” To support their position they provide a section of their Web site that ostensibly provides the reader with hundreds examples of “Muslims against extremism.”

and

We have collected 105 fatwas from Islamic scholars, 75 statements by Islamic Organizations (many of these signed by anywhere from 50 to 500 scholars from around the world), and 142 statements by individual Muslims. These are from 30 countries including: Afghanistan, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Britain, Chechnya, Egypt, France, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, New Zealand, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, UAE, U.S., Yemen.

why are these people unheard of???

have you heard of anjem choudry? an ******* that doesnt represent muslims and hated by nearly all muslims is constently on the spotlight, take a look at whats happening here by "BIRMINGHAM COALITION OF MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS AND MOSQUES" that work to ban him in englands secound biggest city a rally and pettition signed by every muslim councillor, as well all the main muslim centres and mosques together with people from all races and countrys..guess what, it didnt even come on the local news.

http://www.salmayaqoob.com/2011/02/b...extremism.html

[faye]

of course manzareh. of course i think you should lock yourself in the dunny and just keep your mouth shut.
well obviously they weren't making themselves heard. if i wanted to make myself heard in the public arena, believe me i would be heard.
i was talking about moderates not fanatics like you, who constantly just bitch and whine.
it won't matter what i say to you, you are stuck in a mind frame that you can't get out from.
you study the history yourself instead of having some romantic fantasy.

[Afghanistan2010]

of course manzareh. of course i think you should lock yourself in the dunny and just keep your mouth shut.
well obviously they weren't making themselves heard. if i wanted to make myself heard in the public arena, believe me i would be heard.
i was talking about moderates not fanatics like you, who constantly just bitch and whine.
it won't matter what i say to you, you are stuck in a mind frame that you can't get out from.
you study the history yourself instead of having some romantic fantasy.

you are at the peak of the bitchy season,you accuse everyone of being a fanatic especially those who agree with the insurgency in afghanistan,disagree with you.


we don't give a **** about what you think,your fellow people think about us and our views.



even animals have more humanity compared to such people*

[faye]

well it is against your religion to speak to ignoramouses like me, so good!!!!
like i will miss you

[Manzareh]

of course manzareh. of course i think you should lock yourself in the dunny and just keep your mouth shut.
well obviously they weren't making themselves heard. if i wanted to make myself heard in the public arena, believe me i would be heard.
i was talking about moderates not fanatics like you, who constantly just bitch and whine.
it won't matter what i say to you, you are stuck in a mind frame that you can't get out from.
you study the history yourself instead of having some romantic fantasy.

wow, why all the aggression? all i did was refute your points & because i did i should now lock myself in a dungeon and keep my mouth shut? i was having a clear discussion with you, your just frustrated because you have no answer for me, typical running away tactic. But no need for your bad manners, just because i dont say what you want to hear you dont need throw a bitch fit tantrum, clear frustration. calm down. peace

[faye]

lol, it is you that started making dummy comments. if you are so unaware as to my view about reality from more than a year of me being on here and pm's, that you have to ask if i think people should not protest, then there is no point in talking to you, as you choose to stay ignorant.
you are the one claiming i am talking bull sh*t, then show me a page from the internet as an example of 'action', lol. now YOU are feigning innocence.

[Afghanistan2010]

lol, it is you that started making dummy comments. if you are so unaware as to my view about reality from more than a year of me being on here and pm's, that you have to ask if i think people should not protest, then there is no point in talking to you, as you choose to stay ignorant.
you are the one claiming i am talking bull sh*t, then show me a page from the internet as an example of 'action', lol. now YOU are feigning innocence.

take care of the slobber that comes out of your mouth....chill!

[faye]

take care of the slobber that comes out of your mouth....chill!

don't worry about my mouth. with your bloodlust, worry about what is dripping out of your own.
man that avatar looks so fake and funny

[Manzareh]

lol, it is you that started making dummy comments. if you are so unaware as to my view about reality from more than a year of me being on here and pm's, that you have to ask if i think people should not protest, then there is no point in talking to you, as you choose to stay ignorant.
you are the one claiming i am talking bull sh*t, then show me a page from the internet as an example of 'action', lol. now YOU are feigning innocence.

what other action do you want? i showed you proof of rallys,pettitions,prominent schollars and mosques all around the world that are against extremism, YET THE MINORITY THAT PREACH EXTREMISM ARE GIVEN A STAGE how can you ignore this? you have a superiority complex, get your brain out of the mud faye, its perfectly ok for you people to give headline news about some back alley guy with a beard that means nothing and says "bomb" but ignore the majority of people that are qualified schollars and moderate muslims that are against the back alley dude and simply say 'your not doing enough'..manybe YOUR not doing enough in hearing the voices that need to be heard.

if you dont want extremism in your country then i suggest you people take sides with the likes of muslims in my 'pages from internet' and encourage them instead of being demotivational and saying 'your not doing sh*t'

besides, the western govenments are clearly fueling extremism by killing 'moderate muslims' and MAKING ther family members extremists, you think you can destroy a whole country and people wont want payback? get your facts straight before you point fingers.