Marriage to non-Pashtuns

[kakargirl]

I think my own helmand and qandarian pashtun men are fantastic husbands to their women , mashallah they keep their wifes perfectly, i don't believe in marrying non pashtun i think its better to marry your own.

[Nokia_Apridy]

I aint bothered.

Da dey Zwab ba da darkam chay

Haga Sta Bachey di awo ka da BAr Sarey ain botherd ?...Sama KARAGA MA (GUSA)

mkwa poha da para ma walkal...

Ka sta pa Zra ka Laga ghunday hem GUSA rashey nu daga zwab da sta para

After all, it will not be Ghafar, Wali Asfanyar, Sangeen, Afrasiyab, Ajmal and other Islam bashers that will decide my eternal fate.

i m on the foot path all of these.....

da penzo Manzunu sra Eshraq mung Tahjud hem kwam

Munz mesal ma zka darkru chay Awal da Muslmani MUNZ tapos kegey zka

NU ZA DA BACHA KHAN JUNIOR yam ...Wos ba sa waye....


Awo Ta Khpalo Bachu Arabi khay.....

mtlab saba ba ya da USAMA Sra Wada hem wakay..?..

ARABI MUNG ta hem dara pa Zra Puray da...

Zka chay KHOG NABI JAba da ...Nur Da Qayamat PA wrazay

ba ka KHUDAY pak PA Arabi ka Tapos kawe Za ba warta

pa PUKHTU Ka Answer kwam INSHALLAH....

[kakargirl]

I aint bothered.

Da dey Zwab ba da darkam chay

Haga Sta Bachey di awo ka da BAr Sarey ain botherd ?...Sama KARAGA MA (GUSA)

mkwa poha da para ma walkal...

Ka sta pa Zra ka Laga ghunday hem GUSA rashey nu daga zwab da sta para

After all, it will not be Ghafar, Wali Asfanyar, Sangeen, Afrasiyab, Ajmal and other Islam bashers that will decide my eternal fate.

i m on the foot path all of these.....

da penzo Manzunu sra Eshraq mung Tahjud hem kwam

Munz mesal ma zka darkru chay Awal da Muslmani MUNZ tapos kegey zka

NU ZA DA BACHA KHAN JUNIOR yam ...Wos ba sa waye....


Awo Ta Khpalo Bachu Arabi khay.....

mtlab saba ba ya da USAMA Sra Wada hem wakay..?..

ARABI MUNG ta hem dara pa Zra Puray da...

Zka chay KHOG NABI JAba da ...Nur Da Qayamat PA wrazay

ba ka KHUDAY pak PA Arabi ka Tapos kawe Za ba warta

pa PUKHTU Ka Answer kwam INSHALLAH....

wrora te sey khabrai kai,za stha deera izzat kawam .

[Nokia_Apridy]

Ka pa Khpal Zan ka NAzar Achwal ghwaray Rasha zma Blog ta

halta ba sa owenay...

http://nokiaafridi.wordpress.com/

[Catya Sher]

"After all, it will not be Ghafar, Wali Asfanyar, Sangeen, Afrasiyab, Ajmal and other Islam bashers that will decide my eternal fate. "

I like that comment of Sangeen's. Who is the other Sangeen though?
Seriously, this puts everything in perspective.

He made very sensible remarks.

I for one would like him to start a thread and/or bring the girls here to
recount their experiences.

I think it's enlightening for ALL. It could save several disastrous marriages from
occurring when people realize the games that are being played by unscrupulous people.

I say it's better to be aware - for any readers who are open minded to learn from
others' life experiences or tragedies.

Think of all the people that read here without ever posting or becoming members even.

A lot of souls can be benefitted.

If people don't care, they don't need to read the thread, after all !

[Nokia_Apridy]

"After all, it will not be Ghafar, Wali Asfanyar, Sangeen, Afrasiyab, Ajmal and other Islam bashers that will decide my eternal fate. "

I like that comment of Sangeen's. Who is the other Sangeen though?
Seriously, this puts everything in perspective.

He made very sensible remarks.

I for one would like him to start a thread and/or bring the girls here to
recount their experiences.

I think it's enlightening for ALL. It could save several disastrous marriages from
occurring when people realize the games that are being played by unscrupulous people.

I say it's better to be aware - for any readers who are open minded to learn from
others' life experiences or tragedies.

Think of all the people that read here without ever posting or becoming members even.

A lot of souls can be benefitted.

If people don't care, they don't need to read the thread, after all !

Didi (sis) ta zma pa Caltur ka nay Loya shway ka za sta pray saar na khlasegey..

[unknownprince]

sangeen,

so what exactly is your issue with pashtunwali, and why are you linking it with marriage and such?

You feel that pashtunwali is holding you back in some way?

Why are you trying to adapt to another culture to fulfill an objective you have? It seems to me that you are trying to find fault with pashtuns, when the real fault is in what you yourself are doing. You want to mold your pashtun identity to fit your liberal ideals.

In either case, no one can control you, but you should know this: once you stop pashto and pashtunwali, you are not pashtun, especially if you jump head on into other cultures whether they be Arabic, Bosnian, or Punjabi.

[Sangeen]

I aint bothered.

Da dey Zwab ba da darkam chay

Haga Sta Bachey di awo ka da BAr Sarey ain botherd ?...Sama KARAGA MA (GUSA)

mkwa poha da para ma walkal...

Ka sta pa Zra ka Laga ghunday hem GUSA rashey nu daga zwab da sta para

After all, it will not be Ghafar, Wali Asfanyar, Sangeen, Afrasiyab, Ajmal and other Islam bashers that will decide my eternal fate.

i m on the foot path all of these.....

da penzo Manzunu sra Eshraq mung Tahjud hem kwam

Munz mesal ma zka darkru chay Awal da Muslmani MUNZ tapos kegey zka

NU ZA DA BACHA KHAN JUNIOR yam ...Wos ba sa waye....


Awo Ta Khpalo Bachu Arabi khay.....

mtlab saba ba ya da USAMA Sra Wada hem wakay..?..

ARABI MUNG ta hem dara pa Zra Puray da...

Zka chay KHOG NABI JAba da ...Nur Da Qayamat PA wrazay

ba ka KHUDAY pak PA Arabi ka Tapos kawe Za ba warta

pa PUKHTU Ka Answer kwam INSHALLAH....

Deera kha khabara da orrora chay yoo kha lunz guzara insan yey. But if you do observe your religious duties well then you can not be a follower of ANP. As i know them intimately and I mean INTIMATELY. They will not miss a chance of promoting immorality amongst pashtun youth. all you have to do is to look into organisations like PSF etc.

Furthermore, if you really do like them that much then tell me are the likes of "powdery" Sangeen Wali Khan, his mother Nasim Wali Khan and the great Gulalai Wali Khan a true depiction of a pashtun?

dont be on these commi wanna bes foot path be on the foot path of ALLAH as that is the perfect path.

[Catya Sher]

Oh great ! Tell us what you know - I would love to hear myself.
I have always had a terrible impression of them as what you say they are.

Good advice too re the footpath ...

[Sangeen]

sangeen,

so what exactly is your issue with pashtunwali, and why are you linking it with marriage and such?

You feel that pashtunwali is holding you back in some way?

not pashtunwali but nationalism/racism was holding me back until I broke the shackles of ignorance and petty nationalism/racism. Now i deal with a person as he or she actually is i don't write them off cause they are not pashtun.

Why are you trying to adapt to another culture to fulfill an objective you have? It seems to me that you are trying to find fault with pashtuns, when the real fault is in what you yourself are doing. You want to mold your pashtun identity to fit your liberal ideals.

I already have adapted to the new culture its called Islam, you should try it too that will bring you out of your well and show you the big colourful world that you live in. And yes my objective is to be of some benefit to humanity and Islam helps me fulfil that objective. These libral Ideas are called Islam.

In either case, no one can control you, but you should know this: once you stop pashto and pashtunwali, you are not pashtun, especially if you jump head on into other cultures whether they be Arabic, Bosnian, or Punjabi.

who cares if i am pashtun or not... for your personal pleasure let me say it out loud i am NOT a PASHTUN. Or more accurately biologically i might belong to that gene pool but in practice i dont care about it.

as i told you many many many many times and you missed it many many many times; i have chosen Islam as my culture and you can can me a Muslim. rest i can not be bothered about.

p.s. please do me a favour and read what i have written and dont ask me same question over and over again. i will be really grateful.

[Sangeen]

those that are finding it difficult to understand me should read this carefully hope they will understand me better.

I had a friend that was silly like me. I mean he cared for principles. He liked to keep things black and white without trying to create grey areas by mixing black with white.

One day he decided to get married so he packed his bags and went to Pakistan. His mother had already prepared a dossier of girls. After asking few question about few girls that his mother mentioned to him he made a short list and asked his mother if he can meet with those girls. His mother said "Well, we will talk to them if they are interested then they will come to see you".

My friend was a bit surprised and asked "Will the girl come to see me?"

"No silly boy, the girl's father or brothers will come to meet you" the mother said.

My friend was eager to know when he will be able to meet the girl. His mother said "No, we are pashtuns you can not meet the girl; her family will not allow it"

My friend said "If ALLAH allows us to meet each other in the presence of the girl's mahram then who is her father to deny it?"

His sister volunteered to show him the girl outside her college when she will be waiting for her lift back home. My friend asked " So you mean i can not meet her legally in the presence of her mahram as ALLAH has allowed us but it is ok to sneak to see her without a mahram without her knowledge and permission?" His sister shrugged her shoulders and said "If you want to see her in real this is the only way so take it or leave it". My friend said "If i am going to meet her i will meet her legally i will not sneak up like a thief on someone that i am planning to marry".

anyway to cut a long story short his mother met the girl and liked her very much and the deal was done. My friend's mother asked him for the engagement date. My friend replied “what do you mean by engagement date? she said "you two will be engaged for a year and then they will do the nikkah and the rukhsati.
My friend was confused and asked " but if i dont do the nikkah now then i am free to marry anyone during this one year. If i find someone that i like more then this girl then I will be free to marry her as i am not legally bound to this girl yet, I have no nikkah with her"

his mother said "yes you are not legally bound to marry her but you are still going to marry her if you do the engagement" Confused with the procedure my friend told her that he would not bother with the engagement then and if he can not find anyone in one year he will go back to them if their daughter isn't married he will marry her then.

His mother become worried and had the other family agreed to the early nikkah and rukhsati in 5 months.

So after the nikah the guy, still not allowed to meet his legal wife, was seriously bored and pissed off waiting for the rukhsati date. The girl's family wanted to prepare tonnes of stuff for the girl but he told them that he has everything they would need in his flat and he would not need anything else. The girl's side asked that how much gold would he be giving the girl. He said I will rather buy a house then giving her gold that will just sit in the safe in bank somewhere. the girl's family was adamant that he should give the girl at least 250 tola gold. He protested to his mother but his mother said "this is Riwaj" he tried to convince them that it will be more beneficial to buy their own house rather then buying gold which they will have to keep in a locker somewhere anyway but no one listened. So he had to spend the money that he had saved for the house on buying gold.
The guy was really fed up with everything and was waiting to have the blooming rukhsati out of the way so he can get on with his life.

One day, while driving through Peshawar sadar, he saw his wife standing at the road side. As soon as she saw him she turned her face away he knocked on his car window but she ignored him. So he got out of his car and polity asked that how is she doing she replied “fine”. He asked if she was waiting for someone she said yes she is waiting for her driver. He then offered her lift back home as he thought its decent to drop her rather then her waiting here for a driver. But she refused. He was quite frustrated with everything anyway and this was pushing him over the top. So decided to confront her then and there. He said “ I am your husband and I am offering you lift to where ever you want to go and you are refusing me for someone that is not even mahram to you?” The poor girl said “No its not that, "it is the Riwaj”. My friend, had enough of everything by now said to her “ until now I was taking all the crap from everyone cause I wasn't going to live my life with them. I was hoping the once this marriage crap is out of th way I will get on with my life. Now knowing that you also have the same mentality as them I don't think I will be able to put up with this any longer”. He went back home packed the bags and came back to London same evening.

He is now married to an English revert lady and living his life happily with two sons.

Hope this story will explain what is it that I am trying to highlight here.

[Master Khan]

sangeen wrora Islam is NOT a culture, its a religion
religion and culture are 2 different things

you are acting like as if pashtun are evil and bad people and that other ethnic background are angles and lovely people.
if you hate pashtunwali, pashto langauge, culture etc then why are you here?

[کیش]

Sangeen
Even though your friend is happily married to a white girl he is still a jackass, for not having patience. What was he in a rush for? To have sex? He should visit a brothel then. The girls family is weird too, I have never heard of a case like that ever. Once your done with a Nikah, your married, no and, if"s, or buts, about it.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Deera kha khabara da orrora chay yoo kha lunz guzara insan yey. But if you do observe your religious duties well then you can not be a follower of ANP. As i know them intimately and I mean INTIMATELY. They will not miss a chance of promoting immorality amongst pashtun youth. all you have to do is to look into organisations like PSF etc.

Furthermore, if you really do like them that much then tell me are the likes of "powdery" Sangeen Wali Khan, his mother Nasim Wali Khan and the great Gulalai Wali Khan a true depiction of a pashtun?

dont be on these commi wanna bes foot path be on the foot path of ALLAH as that is the perfect path.

Janana Zargeya da Bacha Khan Ghwag ka hem MULAH azan kray wu

awo zma hem ..........

Ka khbra da Lopartob awo ya da NAshay Tamshay shwa

nu da Pazal Rehman da NY Qesa ba darta nawe yada ..

za da MULLAH khelaf na yam KHU tata ma mesal darkru

Ao da Sta da NAAZAR ANP ZMA PA WAJOD KA PATA DA

Wos sta khwakha chay ANP ta sanga goray...

awo tata hem WC kwam chay ANP Join ka walay chay

da PODARYAN awo Charsyan tarna larey kawu sta ghunday

TAKARA NARAN Chay Rashey...

[Dreamer]

i edited my last post with a better example.

a century ago, globalization did not exist and people from different parts of the world were not able to readily and easily contact one another as they are today with the advent of cars, airplanes, melting-pot nations, and so forth. they only married within their own communities.

if every pashtun started marrying chinese, for instance, the dominant phenotypic genes passed would be undoubedtly that of the chinese due to genetics as well as their much greater numbers. over time, that dilution would result in the complete extinction of our race, culture, and language. i think our people are a beauty and marvel of Allah (swt) and i constantly am mind-boggled at the beauty he has created in our people. HE (swt) is the creator of our age-old uniqueness which has been preserved for thousands of years. Allah (Swt) would want his creation preserved in the manner he created them. Allah (swt) even says in the Qur'an that the varying tongues are His (swt) creation. So why tamper with it and fall prey to the masonic, melting-pot hegemony trap that encourages ONE race with no distinictions within it?

we can be muslims and preserve our unique heritages at the same time. if you were wise enough to understand, they are one of the marvels of Allah (swt).

what a load of clap trap... are you implying that those who marry out are destroying the plan of God? are you for real... you do know eugenics was shown to be a pseudo- science