Arab, Punjabi racism towards Pashtuns...

[Toramana]

It is a very critical issue you know...people of Punjabi and Arab origin maintaining this racist attitude towards Pashtuns...a few instances of which we saw on this forums as well...e.g. when Eadge called me and Baygham and other Pashtuns kind of South Asian versions of negros---smal, feeble, obscure/dark creatures...One can also feel this in the attitude of Tealal, roadmaster (am unsure whether this person is Pashtun or Punjabi) , fpzp, etc. although they are smart to express it subtly...

That day I met a Punjabi and he told me "punjabi kuryan" are beautiful and "Pashtun jonai" are so ugly....and that Pashtun men have hard faces like a rock that wear a barren, empty look...

Bros and sis, what can we do about this?

Bros and sis, if I am wrong, kindly correct me.

[Alchemist]

Toramana, are you trying to provoke controversy again? Bored brother?


You have called Scimitar much worse things. You have insulted Arabs by refering to them as camel jokes and what have you.
We as muslims cannot curse or swear at arabs only because one man, the gem of the universe, Muhammed peace be upon him was born arab. So if you insult all arabs, you insult him too.
There are bad arabs just like there are bad pashtuns. We never talk about all the pashtun drug smugglers that are living the scarface fantasy. But you have to make it a point that Arabs "hate" pashtun..when in fact Afghans were especially treated with respect in the arab world for fighting against the kufar with nothing but their will power. This all changed when afghans were getting caught in airports smuggling heroine. Still the Arabs in the gulf look more favourably to Afghans than they towards the arabs of Africa.

As for the punjabies...we have said worse things about them...so much so that they hold themselves in contempt and take for heroes pashtuns.

[Toramana]

It would be nice if graveyardofempires the shining light of this board could say something about this issue .

[graveyardofempires]

Eadge is Pashtun not arab
the whole muslim world loves Pashtuns
Punjabi kuryan are beautiful indeed and Pashtun jinai are angels

i have no problem with punjabi muslim brothers but their hagemony over Pukhtunkhwa is a=unacceptable as for Arabs we have no problem with them.
Btw there are way too many non pashtuns from pakistan on this site who are being anoying

[salahuddin]

Dear Toramana

Why do you think White women were the top of the crop for Arabs in regards to their "Dreams of War Booty".

Punjabis are confused people, majority of them are Dark Skinned and claim all kinds of origins to be theres.

Punjabis are the sons of Sikhs and there is a Punjab in India so that tells you a lot.

Regards to Mr Edge

He uses the disguise of a Socialist to spread his Pan-Arabist ideology, and he wants to imperialise and arabise Pashtun society to keep us his subjects and what makes me laugh, is his claims of us being colonized minded, ignoring the fact that his ancestors colonised most of the world and still hold onto this deluded view they can return their crumbled empire.

A Pashtun will always be a Pashtun

A Punjabi will always suffer a identity crisis as they are nobodies, Arabs will always be the target pratice of Western powers till the day they civilise abit and stop runining other peoples countries.

[Shayesta]

That day I met a Punjabi and he told me "punjabi kuryan" are beautiful and "Pashtun jonai" are so ugly....and that Pashtun men have hard faces like a rock that wear a barren, empty look.

Doesn't matter how nice a Punjabi is towards us, doesn't matter how 'close' we are to them, one thing I got clear from every single Punjabi I know so far is the following; I have never in my life met people so jealous, so desperate and so insecure. This made me believe that their jealousy, desperation and insecurity can't harm a Pukhtoon's pride, honour, beauty, class and value. Let the haters hate, they don't hate because we lack something they got, they hate because they lack everything we got.

[Michin Khel]

Punjabis and other indic people are very conscious about skin colour and beauty, so indeed they envy us in this regard. But i have never met a punjabi who has said some thing very offencive about our features, usually they mention to us that pashtuns are gora-chitta people

[Nokia_Apridy]

TORMANA ............Votono ta odragay ka sanga ?....

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[Manzareh]

Racism is unacceptable but it works both ways. Pashtuns are racist toward Punjabis just as the Punjabis are racist toward them. Arabs are racist towards other Arabs too so thats another story.

[Wrayun]

Eadge is Pashtun not arab
the whole muslim world loves Pashtuns
Punjabi kuryan are beautiful indeed and Pashtun jinai are angels

i have no problem with punjabi muslim brothers but their hagemony over Pukhtunkhwa is a=unacceptable as for Arabs we have no problem with them.
Btw there are way too many non pashtuns from pakistan on this site who are being anoying

Good response, you are a smart kid after all. I thought you were going to fall for his bait.

Toramana saib, growing up Pukhtoon, I have done my fair of racism towards Punjaabi.

Punjaabya tor makhay, ghul ye wakhray!
Punjaabyan, teezoona ye pa tyaam (time)!
Mulla Jatt da, da ghullo daak da!

and there are probably more.

You can't single out other Pukhtoons who might have relations with Punjaabis or Arabs. You too probably have relations with non-Pukhtoons, who are not pleasantly welcomed by majority of the Pukhtoons. You wouldn't like it if people held that against you, would you? You are a grown man, these things doesn't suit you. Stop getting personal on every level. Weren't you the one that said, you'd be the last person to ever do that?

Also, I have never met Punjaabis that consider Pukhtoons or Afghans, out of all the people, ugly. They usually talk about our looks and envy them. As for Arabs, most Arabs I know have great respect for Afghans. I chastise them all the time when it comes to the status of Muslims whenever I get a chance, just to rid of my own frustration with them. For being soft, for selling alcohol, for being stuck in the desert, for not doing anything constructive with the BLACK GOLD in their backyard. For being lavish spenders, and at times giving Islam a bad name by associating their culture with it. And they take it with a smile, shaking their heads.

Overall they have great respect for Afghans, particularly Pukhtoons.
Al-jazeera has thought them a lot. The Arabs I know, readily ask me if I am Persian Afghan or "Bashtoon Afghan".

[ScimitarXEdge]

Actually Toramana , I don't think you or Baygham are Pashtuns to begin with;

the reason is you claim an Indic Culture; which was Gandhara, who spoke prakrit and INDIAN language, were the original Pashtuns, which make no sense since Pashtuns are culturally connected to Avetan heritage than Sanskritic.

So I consider you Indian, because you seem to have an agenda to try and deceive Pashtuns to identify with Indic heritage; despite the fact that such a claim would be baseless for Pashtuns at least in Afghanistan proper. Now Pashtuns from the area you claim to be from could in fact be Pashtunized Indians, but that's not the same as Pashtuns being Indian.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Also I called you "house negro" which is a North American symbolic reference not based on skin color; but for people who have a spineless and cowardly subservience to white farangay domination rather than desire to resist and uproot it.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Regards to Mr Edge

He uses the disguise of a Socialist to spread his Pan-Arabist ideology, and he wants to imperialise and arabise Pashtun society to keep us his subjects and what makes me laugh, is his claims of us being colonized minded, ignoring the fact that his ancestors colonised most of the world and still hold onto this deluded view they can return their crumbled empire.
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I call you mentally colonized because you follow the Imperially fabricated fallacy of Arab Imperialism in the form of Islam and to manufactured this illusion that Arabs and Pashtuns with Arabs are trying to imperialize Pashtuns , which is purely absurd and has no evidence supporting it. There's never been a single example of this; even with Salafis; most of those strict laws are laws Pashtuns have already had due to their conservative society.

My ancestors are Pashtuns on my father's side which makes me Pashtun by Pashtun culture. If you didn't know that, then you yourself are not Pashtun at all. They conquered, but not colonized. The Islamic Society was an empire shared by Many ethnicities; this is made up propaganda that it was some Arab Imperial empire is a Imperialist tactic to divide and rule and turn Muslims of all ethnicities against reviving their power by deceiving them into believing think subservience to Arabs, so that they can keep Muslims subservient to real Imperialists;, secular capitalists, historical Europeans.


And this is why you are mentally colonized; because it's clear from your tactics that your agenda to divert focus from Imperialism and Neocolonialism and maintain dependence and subservience to Imperial powers by keeping Muslims divided amongst themselves and seeing each other as enemies; first by stigmatising against Arabs, then against Punjabis, then against Persians and even now we see evidence of you doing it against Other Pashtuns, like the Wazir tribe.

[Pakhtunzai]

Arabs are humans no? Who said they were going to be perfect people, just because the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam was arab it doesn't mean they have priority over any other muslim or that they are special. I've met Arabs who are arrogant and dodgy but at the same time I've come across Arabs who I would be proud to call my brother. Whenever I tell Arabs I'm originally from Afghans they are like ooh wow and they respect me more because of our strength in imaan and notoriety for being a tough nation.

Same can be said for Punjabis, in fact I'm mixed punjabi myself, there isn't any racism in fact they want to marry with pakhtuns. Now what does that say? That punjabi are racist? There is the odd joke here and there by a random punjabi but mainly due to jealousy. When you said that you met that punjabi guy who said pakhtana are ugly and punjaban are beautiful, why should that matter to you? Its coming from his mouth, to hell with what he says. You very well know the truth wrora Can't that be taken as a compliment? Toramana you may say oh the Pakistani government which are punjabi dominated are screwing us over and are making lives hell for us. Yes 100% true but these people are out for themselves and its ALL about money. Look at Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, he was given money and screwed us over even harder. I wouldn't even call these people human, they are animals. The majority of the punjabi population in pakistan just want to get on with their own lives and couldn't give 2 damns about hating on other people, they just want to survive.

There is good and bad in all, but if people want to stay in their own miserable shell and concentrate on the negativity given out by people then good luck to them on living their life.

Total waste of time in my opinion....

[Feroza_Banu]

so whats the issue here?

Arabs and panjabis think pashtoons are ugly or what?