Excuse my ignorance

[Master Khan]

Yes Pashtun is a Ethnic group

Afghan means Pashtun
Afghanistan means "Land of Pashtuns."
there are pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanstan.
we got separated by the durrad line (Pakistan and Afghanistan border) in 1893 sadly

[Master Khan]

Re: Excuse my ignorance

So if you are born in Pakistan you are a Pakistani Afghan?

can you please post some sources too,thanks for the quick response.

Well basically yeah,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people
Good old Wikipedia

[Master Khan]

Re: Excuse my ignorance

NWFP(North-West Frontier Province), FATA(Federally Administered Tribal Areas) and Balochistan Province were part of Afghanistan until 1893 when a idiot call Abdur Rahman Khan gave the land to british india, and then it become part of Part of Pakistan in 1947.
So the people living in these areas are afghans(Pashtuns).
in those area people speak pashto and in Afghanistan people speak pashto.

Khan means ruler, Most pashtuns are call Khan

[Palwasha]

Re: Excuse my ignorance

So if you are born in Pakistan you are a Pakistani Afghan?

Instead you could say he's ethnically Afghan but his nationality is Pakistani. I think that way make more sense.

All Pashtuns are ethnically Afghan and originate from Afghanistan, even those who reside in Pak. As Master K has already said, part of Afghanistan was given to Pak (which was then India) and so this is how Pashtuns were divided.

[Master Khan]

Re: Excuse my ignorance

^Any reliable sources for the claims being made will be appreciated.


thanks a lot for helping me

you don't need any sources for this . we all speak pashto, We live next to each other.

Look at this picture and it will show you where afghans(pashtuns) lives

[Master Khan]

Re: Excuse my ignorance

wow, Thank you Master.

but I do need sources, it will make me seem like I am making wild claims.

well here is one for you
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Pashtun_people

[Niazi]

But, I had to ask,
only Afghans are Pashtuns ? Is Pashtun an ethnic group? Is Afghan and Pashtun the same thing? Can you be Afghan and Pakistani?

I was doing some research( I need to write a research paper on you guys) and those are some confusing question.

I asked my non Pashtun friend if he is Afghan than he must be Pastun and he said no Pashtuns are just citizens of Afghanistan and not Afghan ethnic.


please help and please don't be biased.

Afghan is a pure Farsi word witch mean Pakhton. The term been used by old Iranian for pakhtons ,since the establishment of Afghanistan the word Afghan become a. Umberlla word for all people who live within today Afghanistan borders,if I want to tell somebody my ethnicity I won't discribe myself ethically afghan but Pakhton.
Manana

[Talal]

But, I had to ask,
only Afghans are Pashtuns ? Is Pashtun an ethnic group? Is Afghan and Pashtun the same thing? Can you be Afghan and Pakistani?

I was doing some research( I need to write a research paper on you guys) and those are some confusing question.

I asked my non Pashtun friend if he is Afghan than he must be Pastun and he said no Pashtuns are just citizens of Afghanistan and not Afghan ethnic.


please help and please don't be biased.

There are a lot of ethnicities within Pakistan and Afghanistan

A person who lives in Pakistan by the state is recognised as a "Pakistani", similarly a person who lives in Afghanistan is recognized as an "Afghan"

Do not follow wikipedia

Here's a thumpin good read on Pashtuns

A History of Pashtun Migration, 1775-2006 By Robert Nichols

Here are a few titles that will help you better understand things about Afghanistan

Here's a book that gives very brief summary on Afghanistan

Afghanistan: a country study By Richard F. Nyrop, Donald M. Seekins

This one is a lot more detailed

The Fragmentation of Afghanistan: State Formation and Collapse in the International System, by Barnett R. Rubin

[Talal]

wait^
so according to Pashtuns are not ethnic Afghans?

No I said there are some other ethnicities in Afghanistan as well

[Dinosaur Khan]

This is how I look at it,
Afghanistani = citizen of Afghanistan.

Some of them seriously mind word "afghanistani".

[afghan]

But, I had to ask,
only Afghans are Pashtuns ? Is Pashtun an ethnic group? Is Afghan and Pashtun the same thing? Can you be Afghan and Pakistani?

I was doing some research( I need to write a research paper on you guys) and those are some confusing question.

I asked my non Pashtun friend if he is Afghan than he must be Pastun and he said no Pashtuns are just citizens of Afghanistan and not Afghan ethnic.


please help and please don't be biased.

http://www.institute-for-afghan-studies.org/Contributions/Commentaries/DRRoashanArch/2001_08_11_unholy_durand_line.htm

http://cultural-anthropology.suite101.com/article.cfm/who_are_the_pashtun_people_of_afghanistan

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

But, I had to ask,
only Afghans are Pashtuns ? Is Pashtun an ethnic group? Is Afghan and Pashtun the same thing? Can you be Afghan and Pakistani?
I was doing some research( I need to write a research paper on you guys) and those are some confusing question.
I asked my non Pashtun friend if he is Afghan than he must be Pastun and he said no Pashtuns are just citizens of Afghanistan and not Afghan ethnic.
please help and please don't be biased.

Afghan = Afghana = a man = the grandson of Jacob the prophet (old testament Prophet).

Pushtun = Pusht and Tun. Pusht = living under/behind. Tun = great mountain. = all summarised = basically the Nation of the Great Mountain / Mountains.

Pushto and Pukhto = difference in dialect which shows as difference between SH and KH in pronunciation.

What is the name of our Nation/ethnic group? = Afghan.

What is Afghanistan = Our traditional homeland stretching from at one time Georgia (of Edward Shewarnadze) in the west to Bengal in the East. Today however Afghanistan = the present day Afghanistan only, sad and true.

Can you be Afghan and Pakistani? = Yeah, Afghan is like Punjabi; a Nation like the Irish or the British or Scottish. Can Scots belong to the UK? Yes. Similarly, we are Afghans, we can be Pakistani, Afghanistani, British and so on.

What defines an Afghani = The largest single Patriarchally descended people with the common progenitor; the legendary Qis/Qees (Anglicized as Kesh) who was an Assyrian Exile. This is ~era 700-800 BCE.

Exiled after the destruction of the temple = the people outcast to Babylonia > Persia > Central Asia and current day Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Then from that time onwards = many nations passed through here, mainly for war, all these nations intermingled with the Assyrian exiles, may they be Aryans, Greek, Mongolians, Indians, Turks, Arabs, you name it. The final product/ the current day Afghan is basically Israelite mixed with all that blood and DNA from the different peoples.

Therefore, of all our tribes, some which are here:

• Sarbanri
  • Durrani (Abdali)
  • Zirak
  • Panjpai
  • Tareen
  • Yusafzai
  • Mandanh
  • Tarkalani
  • Mohmand
  • Shilmani
  • Mohammadzai
  
  

• Batani
  • Ghilzai
  • Boran
  • Toran
  • Seyani
  • Dotaani
  • Niazi
  • Lodi
  • Sherwani (tribe)
  • Swati
  • Suri (Pashtun)
  • Marwat
  • Lohani (Pashtun)
  • Nuhrani
  
  

• Gharghasht
  • Ans
  • Daavi
  • Damsan
  • Jadoon
  • Kakar
  • Ludin
  • Mando
  • Naghar
  • Panai
  • Parman tribe
  • Safi
  • Selaha
  • Tarik tribe
  
  

• Karlanri
  • Mahsud
  • Waziri
  • Khattak
  • Afridi
  • Orakzai
  • Dawar
  • Bangash
  • Dzadzi
  • Zadran
  
  

Only these are the true/real/actual Afghans.

Others or some other tribes are basically foreign peoples (predominantly with mixed Afghan blood).

Sources:

I have tons of sources from Bible and Sahih Ahadith (sayings of the Last Messenger Mohammad PBUH) to Islamic scholars and sages, Afghan heroes and historians (like Khushal Khan) and modern or European scholars and historian etc.


Thanx and hope that helps.

[Son of Mountains]

I think james needs any source from any Journal....Is it?

[Nokia_Apridy]

good start jamesa

Kha
A------n is not for Pukhtun,s

Pukhtuinstan is corect word but ppl can,t use it why i don,t know

maybe the give

Lokhay Warkawal = Literally means 'giving of pot'. The idea that the tribe will do everything to protect an individual from an enemy.

to Farsiwan or wht sorry for some hard word,s use

u said ur ask that guy he is rite

A------n is not only for Pukhtun

mean TAJIK UZBAK HAZARA FARSIWAN PUKHTUN FIVE

finger live like one Nation call Afghan

But there my temper 2 high cause why not in Tajikstan Govt or ppl use

A----n why not in Uzbekstan...


Chek out in HINDUSTAN (INDIA) there Name there Lang Hindi

the majorty is TAMIL but the OFFICAL LANG only 1 hindi...

they recpt Hindi Lang and in PUKHTUNISTAN ppl prouldy

use FARSI and one of my Freind was join Pukhtunistan Army

there one Elder said to him u know abt Farsi if u not

ur not Selected..........thnk it my OWN friend

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Afghanistan has always been the land of the Pashtuns just like Tajikistan has been the land of Tajiks, Uzbekistan the land of Uzbeks and so on and so forth...

In short, every ethnic Pashtun is an ethnic Afghan. However, many non-Pashtuns are Afghan nationals while many Pashtuns are Pakistani nationals. Here's an analogy - a German born in the Czech Republic or Romania will be a Romanian or Czech national but an ethnic German. Similarly, a Pashtun, no matter where he's born, will be an ethnic Afghan.