How different are Pashto and Farsi?

[qunduz92]

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[graveyardofempires]

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i fly the flag for Afghanistan and it was the only animated gif flag available.

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[khushal]

My father speaks dari with iranians and they seem to understand each other just fine, even the jokes have no confusion. As far as pashto, the language is difficult to learn compare to farsi. Hindi and Urdu are the same language, its just that pakistan has an inferiority complex and has to call it something else.

[randolph85]

i have a hard time understanding iranian farsi. are there different dialects of farsi in iran?

[IamDZJ]

My father speaks dari with iranians and they seem to understand each other just fine, even the jokes have no confusion. As far as pashto, the language is difficult to learn compare to farsi. Hindi and Urdu are the same language, its just that pakistan has an inferiority complex and has to call it something else.

that is not true. hindi has lost it's authencity due to the british's ruling of the country for such a long time but to say that urdu and hindi are the same..it is just inaccurate. more and more of the urdu vocabulary is being replaced by english words and hindi seems to be influenced by english as well as urdu.
i don't know if any one in here is familiar with hemish reshamia but most of the urdu words that he uses in his hindi songs don't even make sense and he always makes a point of using big urdu words.. which ends up making him look stupider than he actually might be.

[khushal]

that is not true. hindi has lost it's authencity due to the british's ruling of the country for such a long time but to say that urdu and hindi are the same..it is just inaccurate. more and more of the urdu vocabulary is being replaced by english words and hindi seems to be influenced by english as well as urdu.
i don't know if any one in here is familiar with hemish reshamia but most of the urdu words that he uses in his hindi songs don't even make sense and he always makes a point of using big urdu words.. which ends up making him look stupider than he actually might be.

I meant it in a historical aspect they are the same. Urdu was the language of the courts during the moghul rule of the Indian subcontinent. When India and Pakistan split, India started calling their language Hindi and started a program to standardize Hindi by replacing the persian loan words with sanscrit.

Correction on my previous post, India had an inferiority complex and had to call it something else.

[khushal]

I thought Dari was the language of the courts in the Mughal rule?

Urdu is 70% Dari, Most pakistanis dont understand that and call afghans persianized pashtuns when they themselves are the persianized pashtuns..

[Karachi]

My father speaks dari with iranians and they seem to understand each other just fine, even the jokes have no confusion. As far as pashto, the language is difficult to learn compare to farsi. Hindi and Urdu are the same language, its just that pakistan has an inferiority complex and has to call it something else.

Urdu and hindi are not the same really, infact its not even a pakistani language, its a muslim language of Delhi and surrounding areas, pakistan just adopted because almost everyone understood it.

Urdu was made during the Delhi sultnate, Amir Khurso who was Tajik or Afghan played a major role in making the language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Khusrow

Urdu ofcourse is a mixture of languages mainly Hindi/Dari also some arabic. Real Hindi has very heavy Sanskrit in it, urdu speakers have a very hardtime understanding it, same way real Ghalib or Iqbal Urdu, hindi speakers can't understand it.

Today's urdu and hindi are not really pure though, they have become mixed up, so yes they have become much closer then before, however old urdu and old hindi are still pretty different

Also i am pretty sure Farsi/Dari was the language of the mughal court

[fzpz]

I meant it in a historical aspect they are the same. Urdu was the language of the courts during the moghul rule of the Indian subcontinent. When India and Pakistan split, India started calling their language Hindi and started a program to standardize Hindi by replacing the persian loan words with sanscrit.

Correction on my previous post, India had an inferiority complex and had to call it something else.

Urdu was known to be a distinct language before Pakistan's independence. And it still is. Besides being the national language of Pakistan, it is one of the official/national languages of indian states such as UP. Hindi is also taught in Pakistan. If your statement that inferiority complex had anything to do with it was true, urdu would have been amalgamated into hindi in india as one langauge. Holds the same for hindi in Pakistan. They both have a similar beginning (from khari boli which was the language of villagers around Delhi/UP). Some have called the 'urdu' spoken in UP/Punjab as Hindustani as the one language before independence. The grammar structure for both is sanskriti. The vocabulary is highly different though. More persian/arabic for one, and more sanskrit for the other. The alphabets too are different, and hindi does not have all the sounds/letters as urdu. Different scripts.

It is a lot easier to understand urdu if you look at it as a bridge between the elite/mughal courts and the muslimized village idiots/commoners. The commoner, much larger in population, wasn't about to change his grammar structure for the few. Early poets/writers during Mughal/Sultanate rule spoke in a mix of farsi, brajbhasa, and porbee, later combining khari boli into what is now known as urdu. Amir Khusro is a good example. Foreign father, rajput mother.

Btw, the language of mughal courts was farsi.

[khushal]

Urdu and hindi are not the same really, infact its not even a pakistani language, its a muslim language of Delhi and surrounding areas, pakistan just adopted because almost everyone understood it.

Urdu was made during the Delhi sultnate, Amir Khurso who was Tajik or Afghan played a major role in making the language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Khusrow

Urdu ofcourse is a mixture of languages mainly Hindi/Dari also some arabic. Real Hindi has very heavy Sanskrit in it, urdu speakers have a very hardtime understanding it, same way real Ghalib or Iqbal Urdu, hindi speakers can't understand it.

Today's urdu and hindi are not really pure though, they have become mixed up, so yes they have become much closer then before, however old urdu and old hindi are still pretty different

Also i am pretty sure Farsi/Dari was the language of the mughal court

what are you talking about. nothing is pakistani, it is only 65 years old. There was no Hindi, there were hindi languages with many dialects. The Indian government took Urdu because it was easier than choosing one of the Hindi dialects and standardized it by replacing the persian loan words with sanskrit and called it standardized Hindi. Ofcourse they are not the same now. Pakistans Urdu is very similar as spoken during moghul times. It is hindi that has changed to make it more appealing to hindus.

[fzpz]

Urdu and hindi are not the same really, infact its not even a pakistani language, its a muslim language of Delhi and surrounding areas, pakistan just adopted because almost everyone understood it.

Urdu was the official language of Punjab before independence. Lahore also served as the Mughal capitol where urdu was spoken - by commoners. To say that it is not a 'Pakistani' language would be false. Urdu was also adopted because it served as 'muslim' language, in addition to the fact that most 'elites' from Delhi/up shifted to Pakistan.

[Karachi]

Urdu was the official language of Punjab before independence. Lahore also served as the Mughal capitol where urdu was spoken - by commoners. To say that it is not a 'Pakistani' language would be false. Urdu was also adopted because it served as 'muslim' language, in addition to the fact that most 'elites' from Delhi/up shifted to Pakistan.

True, i know punjabies spoke it too, however even to this day most punjabies if you ask them consider urdu not as "their" language, it is pakistan's national language, thats why they speak it. Urdu became a muslim language of south asia, and i think that is the main reason it was adopted as a national language of pakistan.

[Karachi]

what are you talking about. nothing is pakistani, it is only 65 years old. There was no Hindi, there were hindi languages with many dialects. The Indian government took Urdu because it was easier than choosing one of the Hindi dialects and standardized it by replacing the persian loan words with sanskrit and called it standardized Hindi. Ofcourse they are not the same now. Pakistans Urdu is very similar as spoken during moghul times. It is hindi that has changed to make it more appealing to hindus.

there was hindi though, spoken in Uttar pardesh, but it was known as "Khariboli", that was orignal language of west UP/Delhi area

Also even pakistani urdu today is not the same as Mughal urdu, yes on TV it might be still old style spoken, but i am talking about the people who speak it on the streets, they have mixed up everything, thats why real urdu is considered a dying language both in pakistan and india

[khushal]

fzpz,
Wasnt urdu replaced by farsi later on as the moghul language of the courts. thats how I understood it. The initial Moghul rulers spoke farsi and Chagatai and later moghul rulers spoke Urdu.

[Feroza_Banu]

Urdu is mogholized, Afghanized, Persianized Hindi!....