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  • Never use the word "Pashtunwali"

    Pashtunwali, was first used by the Britishers and a few disgraced people of our own kind like Arbabs of Peshawar (hope I don't offend any of you). They were not able to defeat and rule over us but they certainly divided us. The original Pashtun code is called "Afghaniat" which is a triangle of honor code encompassing anything withing the following three. The so called Pashtunwali was compiled and some of the new strange stuff replicated from other tribal people under the British rule in Africa, etc.

    They tried to introduce this in order to centralize the highly decentralized and totalitarian tribal Pashtuns of the other side of the durand line so they could rule over them. Which of course didn't work as for their 140 years of rule over the Indian sub-continent they had to fight repeated wars with Pashtuns and lose thousands of soldiers for 100 years.


    Three main elements of Afghaniat:

    1 - Women: Women are regarded as the jewel of a Pashtun's household and is at the highest level of importance to them. You would cut a Pashtun into pieces but he will not give up on their women (mother, sister, wife, extended family). They would temporarily relocate from their land to other places so their women be safe from the intruders to fight to the last drop of their blood--so the honor.

    2 - Land: Regarded as holly and giving it up to the strangers is the dirtiest thing one can imagine. Though a bit changed for the last three decades, a Pashtun would die from hunger but not sale his land to others--so the honor. That is why they are so much attached to the land and defending it to the last drop of their blood.

    3 - Weapon: Weapon is the jewel/fashion of a Pashtun as is gold to a women. This is a defining factor to the warsome character of the Pashtun--so the honor.

    Of course there are so many other things in Pashtuns' code of honor, Afghaniat, such as protection of a person taking refuge in your house but are lesser in importance than the three in above. Not sure if you know but before the war broke out in Afghanistan there was no visa between Germany and Afghanistan and that for the very reason which when nazi Germans were defeated by the allies in wwII, all the countries of the world handed over the German diplomats to Americans but Pashtuns. Ghazi Amanullah khan asked for a loya jirga in which the tribal elders stated handing over a guest to its enemies is against the honor and Afghaniat and rejected the Americans' call for their handover. Brits and Americans threatened but Afghanistan firmly stood for their word and honor. So once Germany was back to its feet had the best relationship with Afghanistan that any two countries would ever had and required no visas for them. The same thing applies to Bin Laden whom Taliban did not handover almost 90 years after as well.

    I just wanted to recommend people to try to avoid use of the term Pashtunwali in discussions and that is it for now.

    Take care and peace
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    *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

    Originally posted by Karachi
    like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

  • #2
    bro... isn't Pashtoonwali and Afghaniat same thing?

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    • #3
      i dont think you read the post Feroza
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      *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

      Originally posted by Karachi
      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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      • #4
        I disagree.

        "yat" or "ait" is a designation associated by using Arabic script to any word that defines a set of characteristics. For example Punjabiyat, Sindihyat, Balochiyat, and Afghaniyat. This term is not unique to Afghans only. Some will argue that even the word Afghan is not unique to Pukhtoons.

        I agree that the word Pukhtoonwale is fairly recent, but it was not invented by the British. It was and is still used by tribes that are Eastern, closer to other Indic civilizations, because, "wali" or "wale" or "wala" is a Indic/Sanskrit linguist term. For example Dukanwala, Dukanwali, Bazarwala, Bazarwale, Delhiwala, Dehliwali, thus Pukhtoonwali, Pashtunwali, Pathanwalgi etc. etc.

        Amongst Pukhto and midst Pukhtoons, the law, the way of life, and everything that governs Pukhtoon mental is simply known by one word, PUKHTO!

        PUKHTO LARA, PUKHTO KAWA, PUKHTO GATA!

        Keep Pukhto, Do Pukhto, Win Pukhto!

        Pukhtoonwale, Afghaniat both are strange terms, original term is PUKHTO, both the language and way of the Pukhtoons is known simply as PUKHTO.

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        • #5
          I side with Wrayun on this one. In fact, just last week I told this Pashtun I will do him a favor and he said ''Bas Pashto jhey rakra, no zma kaar ba wasey''. He said it in such a manner as if Pashto was some sort of a rule of conduct, he knew I wouldn't go against my promise since I gave him my Pashto. I have also heard Pashtuns says ''Pashto jhey mata rakra''. The term Pashto has a much deeper meaning associated with it.
          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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          • #6
            I like the third point about defense, and InshAllah in years to come we will have everything, and no one will ever try fighting us again

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            • #7
              "yat" or "ait" is a designation associated by using Arabic script to any word that defines a set of characteristics.
              Agreed 100%. It's an Arabic suffix which denotes abstract ideals, doctrines, characteristics, etc.

              I'm not sure what the original term for Pukhtoon culture is, but it's definitely not Afghanyat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Palwan View Post
                Agreed 100%. It's an Arabic suffix which denotes abstract ideals, doctrines, characteristics, etc.

                I'm not sure what the original term for Pukhtoon culture is, but it's definitely not Afghanyat.
                Why isn't it Afghanyat? In my dialect, we use Afghanyat.

                "Plankay, da Afghanyat dak dey!".
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                  I side with Wrayun on this one. In fact, just last week I told this Pashtun I will do him a favor and he said ''Bas Pashto jhey rakra, no zma kaar ba wasey''. He said it in such a manner as if Pashto was some sort of a rule of conduct, he knew I wouldn't go against my promise since I gave him my Pashto. I have also heard Pashtuns says ''Pashto jhey mata rakra''. The term Pashto has a much deeper meaning associated with it.
                  Bilkul sahi khabera de wokrha Admin Khan. Pakhto yawaze salor teki nedi. De de shaata yaw tahzib prot day, yaw usool praate di. Khalak ne wayi che pe Arabi, ya pe Farsi ya Urdu, kho wayi che pe Pakhto ye faisala wokrha. Pakhto hujra paalena da, jumaat saatena da, melma paalena da. Pukhtaane musafir ta pe qader sterga goori. Pakhto pukhtunwali da, drund waalai dai. Pakhto ke konde ta pe drana sterga katel keegi. Pukhtaane ghairat lari, nang au namoos worta qader lari. Pukhtane (kheze) zaanta lebaas lari, zanta teekrai lari, zaanta dranekh lari. De Pukhtane mermene teekrai qader lari. Au nor dese der shayaan di che pe Pakhto ke keegi, Pakhto yawaze salor teki nedi.

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                  • #10
                    I happened to stumble upon this unclassified stratigic study done by the US military. Its purpose is not to document the origin of the term Pashtunwali but it does touch abit on this issue as well. They have used the material from colonial British archives. I do not agree on a lot of stuff stated here in the document but it is something to consider.




                    I do agree "Pukhto" & "Pukhto lara" have been used and are quite common amongst us but Pukhtonwale is a new term and unknown to the Pashtuns of the west side of the durand line.

                    I do know that Dr. Abdul Hai Habibi has a published research on this topic but I could not get hold of a copy so far. I do know that he does agree on the term's introduction by the British as well, though the word itself is perfectly domistic and of sansikrit origin.
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                    *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                    Originally posted by Karachi
                    like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                      i dont think you read the post Feroza
                      no, it was a good waste of 2 to 3 minutes but i did.

                      and what we refer to as Pashtoonwali is the same thing as afghaniat... afghaniat is a word used by many, pashtoon and non pashtoon.

                      i have heard it many times "der spak sarrai dai, hes afghaniat na lari. i have also heard sentences like "der be pakhto sarrai dai" or as Admin khan said "pakhto de mata rakkra" mean u promised to me.

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                      • #12
                        Well your still stupid enough not to realise the main point of the thread was that the word pashtunwali OR afghaniat is not to be used, which is a unianimous decision.

                        nobody gives a damn wether youve heard people say afghaniat or not. or weather it means the same thing or not, the thread wasnt about what pashtunwali is either.

                        maybe you should take another 2-3 minutes of your precious time to read what others have said and then maybe you wont give such a retarded responce.

                        P.S whatch your attitude with me as your not the only one here that can have ill manners in the way they speak to others.

                        Allah bless you.
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                        *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                        Originally posted by Karachi
                        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                        • #13
                          That is ,,pashtu/pukhto,,not pakhtunwali.We say in pakhto ,,chi pakhto ba ka wou,,pakhto ba na pragdo,,,.Our way of life,language and culture is ,,pukhto/pushto,,.
                          Pukhtunwali was used by Britishes.
                          We also have another word ,,azizwali,,,from the time of great ahmad shah baba.



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                          • #14
                            In southren districts of KP and waziristan, word pashtunwali is not used...we use ''pashto''... e.g aslam che kho woka pashto nishta

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                            • #15
                              Why are we so closed minded people? We want the Pakhtu language to be closed to any foreign word. Do we want the Pakhtu language tied up to the stone age? Next we will oppose all the scientific terminology to be added to Pakhtu. This way of thinking will keep pakhtuns backward to the limit that we will never catch up with the world. We must accept any word or terminology from any foreign language in Pakhtu as long as it can absorb it. There are many instances that it becomes difficult to express your self in Pakhtu because we don't find suitable words for it. This forum is an example. Why it is kept in English? Because the limitations of Pakhtu language, we express our selves in English. Those young people who tell us " don't use Pakhunwali, use Afghaniat", will tell us don't use English, use only Pakhtu in your posts or stop using English script for Pakhtu. What will be your reaction to that. Their emotional attachment to Pakhtu is worthy of appreciation but the language has to expand.
                              Please let the language grow. Change is natural. It will not stop whether you like it or not. Pakhtu is going to grow, will accept words not used before. Such words are foreign to day and will become Pakhtu words tomorrow.That is how languages originated and matured. Please be open minded and progressive for the sake of Pakhtuns.
                              The end of Ignorance, is the beginning of Knowledge.
                              Knowledge has no end. It keeps expanding into the infinity.

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