Influence of Pashto on the language of Awadh

[Pakthun345]

Man

Very interesting and enlightening post.

I have heard many times, suffix "man" - I think its from Sanskrit.

"shaktiman" - having power
"noorman" having "noor" (light)

These are used in Awadhi.

Assalamu alaykum and hello,

"Man" in English is from Old English "mann" and "man-" is the Indo-European root.
There is "Manusha", which is a man, human in the Rig-Veda.
"Manuchehr" is a Pishdadian king.

We have a relative who was called "Manu".

In the "shaktiman" sense it will be one who possesses or holds power.

Manana

[DSM0305]

English: I will look
Pashto: زہ به ګورم za ba goram
Awadhi: ہم دیکھب ham dekhab
Urdu: میں دیکھونگا main dekhunga

A little bit correction.
I will look.
Za ba wagoram(my personalised latin pashto: Za ba wagourem)
''Za ba goram'' isn't per say wrong, but it can only be used in specific situation and very rudely.
A: Ma yaw motar paida ke, kawai ce saba ye wagoure? (I found a car, could you look at it tomorrow?)
B: Samma da, ze ba ye wagourem (okay, I will look at it)
C: ohho, ze ba ye goram no (basically, sarcastically and impolitely saying, I will not look at it)
You cant put ''ze ba goram'' in a context without adding another word. Even after you added it, it will sound rude.
You can also use in another context, like: Ze ba der sara gourem(threatening somebody) Again you have to add something to make it work.

English: go to the shop
Pashto: dukan ta dza
Awadhi: dukan ko jao
Urdu: dukan jao (omission), dukan par jao (notice how "dukan ko jao" is purely something you would say in "Pathan Urdu")

English: look at me
Pashto: maa ta gora
Awadhi: ham ke dekh
Urdu: mujhe dekho (or "mujh ko dekho" - rare usage)

"I like it a lot"

Pashto: maa ta ddera khwaxa da
Awadhi: ham ke bahut atsha laage hai / ham ke bahut atsha laagela
Urdu: mujhe bahut achha laga

Again, you cannot say those in a context.
Go to the shop:
Dukan ta larsa
Look at me:
Ma ta wagora(my weird latin Pashto:wagoura, lol)
I like it a lot
De ma dera khwakha da(different dialect: Ze ma dera khwaxa da)

I wont say your sentences per say are wrong, but it cannot be said that way in a real conversation.

[زده کوونکی]

A little bit correction.
I will look.
Za ba wagoram(my personalised latin pashto: Za ba wagourem)
''Za ba goram'' isn't per say wrong, but it can only be used in specific situation and very rudely.
A: Ma yaw motar paida ke, kawai ce saba ye wagoure? (I found a car, could you look at it tomorrow?)
B: Samma da, ze ba ye wagourem (okay, I will look at it)
C: ohho, ze ba ye goram no (basically, sarcastically and impolitely saying, I will not look at it)
You cant put ''ze ba goram'' in a context without adding another word. Even after you added it, it will sound rude.
You can also use in another context, like: Ze ba der sara gourem(threatening somebody) Again you have to add something to make it work.



Again, you cannot say those in a context.
Go to the shop:
Dukan ta larsa
Look at me:
Ma ta wagora(my weird latin Pashto:wagoura, lol)
I like it a lot
De ma dera khwakha da(different dialect: Ze ma dera khwaxa da)

I wont say your sentences per say are wrong, but it cannot be said that way in a real conversation.

Thanks for your corrections - I'm always looking for any opportunity to improve my Pashto, its why I'm here after all. I will take everything into consideration.

Other ways to say look or see or watch in Pashto would be "katal", "lidal" , "winam" (I see) and forms such as "waksa" which exist in some dialects - along with the "gora/wugora".

I used that particular form in that post to show similarity with the Indic "ja/za" verb, which is why I chose to leave out the "lar-" form.
When you said "dukan ta larsa", I have one thing to add - in the Pashto that I aspire to speak (Kandahari), they often add a "w" so it would be like "dukan ta w larsa". Another example, from YouTube - "zma w channel ta subscribe wukay".

Also I have heard - "khwash mi dey" for "I like it"

Your dialect sounds interesting btw - are you from Ghazni?

[maneatinglizard]

A little bit correction.
I will look.
Za ba wagoram(my personalised latin pashto: Za ba wagourem)
''Za ba goram'' isn't per say wrong, but it can only be used in specific situation and very rudely.
A: Ma yaw motar paida ke, kawai ce saba ye wagoure? (I found a car, could you look at it tomorrow?)
B: Samma da, ze ba ye wagourem (okay, I will look at it)
C: ohho, ze ba ye goram no (basically, sarcastically and impolitely saying, I will not look at it)
You cant put ''ze ba goram'' in a context without adding another word. Even after you added it, it will sound rude.
You can also use in another context, like: Ze ba der sara gourem(threatening somebody) Again you have to add something to make it work.



Again, you cannot say those in a context.
Go to the shop:
Dukan ta larsa
Look at me:
Ma ta wagora(my weird latin Pashto:wagoura, lol)
I like it a lot
De ma dera khwakha da(different dialect: Ze ma dera khwaxa da)

I wont say your sentences per say are wrong, but it cannot be said that way in a real conversation.

They are wrong in the way he's comparing them and translating them.

For example, "ma ta gora" means literally "watch me," not "look at me." In technical terms, "gora" is an "imperfect imperative," i.e. it implies a continual action. Adding the "wu" prefix makes it a
"perfect imperative." "Look" is a hard verb to understand this concept, something like "dance" might make it easier.

So "gadega" means something like "keep dancing," while "wagadega" means "dance." Contextually, imperfect imperatives can often be used to taunt someone (like if someone is doing something stupid, you tell them to keep doing it to mock them).

As you already implied, imperfects in general can sometimes come across as rude.

[salman47]

They are wrong in the way he's comparing them and translating them.

For example, "ma ta gora" means literally "watch me," not "look at me." In technical terms, "gora" is an "imperfect imperative," i.e. it implies a continual action. Adding the "wu" prefix makes it a
"perfect imperative." "Look" is a hard verb to understand this concept, something like "dance" might make it easier.

So "gadega" means something like "keep dancing," while "wagadega" means "dance." Contextually, imperfect imperatives can often be used to taunt someone (like if someone is doing something stupid, you tell them to keep doing it to mock them).

As you already implied, imperfects in general can sometimes come across as rude.

Goddd!! Pashto is BEAUTIFUL, and complex such that it is difficult for foreigners.

P.S. I have this feeling that you guys are making stuff up about yourselves. Looking at you zdakawunke guy and that 345!

[زده کوونکی]

Goddd!! Pashto is BEAUTIFUL, and complex such that it is difficult for foreigners.

P.S. I have this feeling that you guys are making stuff up about yourselves. Looking at you zdakawunke guy and that 345!

Za hets kala darwagh na wayam... you are free to believe what you want.

[salman47]

They are wrong in the way he's comparing them and translating them.

For example, "ma ta gora" means literally "watch me," not "look at me." In technical terms, "gora" is an "imperfect imperative," i.e. it implies a continual action. Adding the "wu" prefix makes it a
"perfect imperative." "Look" is a hard verb to understand this concept, something like "dance" might make it easier.

So "gadega" means something like "keep dancing," while "wagadega" means "dance." Contextually, imperfect imperatives can often be used to taunt someone (like if someone is doing something stupid, you tell them to keep doing it to mock them).

As you already implied, imperfects in general can sometimes come across as rude.

Za hets kala darwagh na wayam... you are free to believe what you want.

Stuff about your ancestry. Like how someone in your family marrying a Sicillian makes you a Sicillian. Thats pure BS. No Offense.

[زده کوونکی]

Stuff about your ancestry. Like how someone in your family marrying a Sicillian makes you a Sicillian. Thats pure BS. No Offense.

Lol I never I said I was Sicilian - that would be absurd. I can't even speak Italian, let alone their specific regional dialect. My cousin's wife is Sicilian and his baby daughter is half-Sicilian. Not me.

Within Pakistan, my ethnicity is Karachiite Urdu-speaking Muhajir because that's what my father is. My mother is not a Pakistani at all - she's from the border region of India and Nepal (but Indian identity - not Nepalese).