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  • Influence of Pashto on the language of Awadh

    ہمار مادری زبان جون ہے، او کر لوگ اودھی کہت ہیں۔ ای بھاشا عام اردو سے کافی الگ ہے اور ہم کے شرم آوت ہے کہ ہم آپن روائتی بولی نا جانی بتیاوے لیکن کا کری، پاکستان ما کونو ای بھاشا ما بات نا کری۔
    Hamaar maadri zabaan jon hai, u kar log Awadhi kahat hain. Ie bhasha 'aam Urdu se kaafi alag hai aur ham ke sharam aawat hai ke ham aapan riwayati boli na jaani batiyawe lekin kaa kari, Pakistan ma kaunu ie bhasha ma baat naa kari.

    I know you guys are not familiar with the Eastern Urdu dialect of Awadh - it is markedly different from the standard Urdu based on the Delhi Khariboli dialect Unfortunately I am not 100% fluent (no one speaks it in Pakistan except a few senior citizens in Karachi) - I understand it completely because its my mother's language.

    There are a lot of differences between this dialect and the Urdu you are familiar with - and also a deep influence of Pashto, not just in vocabulary but also in the grammar and syntax. Let's have a look at some features common to both:

    Both Pashto and Awadhi (along with other Eastern Hindi and Bihari, Bengali)
    have a future tense in "b-" and a past tense in "-l":

    English: I will look
    Pashto: زہ به ګورم za ba goram
    Awadhi: ہم دیکھب ham dekhab
    Urdu: میں دیکھونگا main dekhunga

    English: I went home
    Pashto: زه کور ته تللی وم za kor ta tlaly wum
    Awadhi: ہم گھرے گئلی ham ghare gaili
    Urdu: میں گھر گیا main ghar gaya
    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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    Unlike standard Urdu but just like Pashto, we don't usually omit the word "to" - "ta" in Pashto and various forms of "ka" "ko" "ke" in Awadhi.

    English: go to the shop
    Pashto: dukan ta dza
    Awadhi: dukan ko jao
    Urdu: dukan jao (omission), dukan par jao (notice how "dukan ko jao" is purely something you would say in "Pathan Urdu")

    English: look at me
    Pashto: maa ta gora
    Awadhi: ham ke dekh
    Urdu: mujhe dekho (or "mujh ko dekho" - rare usage)
    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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    • #3
      Pronunciation:


      "f" becomes "ph" in all but the most educated speech - just like Pashto f-p

      "q" becomes "k" in all but the most educated speech (though some confuse it with "kh") - just like Pashto q-k but sometimes q-kh

      Being an Indic language, there is confusion between "j" and "z" - but not in the same way as in other Hindustani dialects. North and East of Awadh, "z" and "j" merge into the "dz" of Pashto and Nepali. Correspondingly, the "s" and "ch" sometimes become "ts" - especially near the Nepal border and close to Bengal.
      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
      He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
      "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

      "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

      Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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      • #4
        "I am going to the jungle"

        Pashto: za dzangal ta dzama / za dzangal ta dar-dzam
        Awadhi: ham dzangal ko dzaibe / ham dzangal ko dzahatani
        Urdu: main jangal jaraha hoon

        "I like it a lot"

        Pashto: maa ta ddera khwaxa da
        Awadhi: ham ke bahut atsha laage hai / ham ke bahut atsha laagela
        Urdu: mujhe bahut achha laga
        Last edited by زده کوونکی; 01-02-2018, 11:09 AM. Reason: Addition
        Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
        He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
        "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

        "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

        Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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        • #5
          Awadhi and Pashto/Paktho

          Assalamu alaykum and hello,

          Manana. Just out of curiosity and interest which tribe are you from dear brother?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pakthun345 View Post
            Assalamu alaykum and hello,

            Manana. Just out of curiosity and interest which tribe are you from dear brother?
            Walaikum salaam

            I am of mixed background so don't identify with one single tribe.

            My father's father = Quraishi Arab descended from Abu Jahl (I have proof)
            My father's mother = Mohammadzai originally from Kandahar region
            My mother = Sayid Gardezi/Arab

            Through marriage, my family has absorbed a lot of different nations, including Yusafzai tribe of Lower Dir, KPK and Sicilian Catholics from Palermo, as well as Indian Sikhs from Amritsar.
            Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
            He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
            "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

            "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

            Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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            • #7
              Zdah-Kawunkaey

              Assalamu alaykum and hello,

              Rora. Masha Allah.

              I am from the Wardag/Wardak tribe.

              Manana

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pakthun345 View Post
                Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                Rora. Masha Allah.

                I am from the Wardag/Wardak tribe.

                Manana
                Masha Allah. Der aley.

                That's why your Pashto is good haha. Tbh Kandahari is sophisticated but we use too much Farsi. Even instead of "psho" or "khpo" we say "andaamona" or "drakht" for tree, "seb" for apple.

                I like the Wardag accent very much - it reminds me of the one they speak around Parachinar where I stayed in my childhood.
                Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                • #9
                  How are you related to sicilians though? WHo's sicilian in your family?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jama0112 View Post
                    How are you related to sicilians though? WHo's sicilian in your family?
                    My cousin (father's sister's son) married a Sicilian girl few years ago - went to the wedding Sicily but not the subsequent functions they held in Karachi or Auckland - yes we are international.

                    His younger brother, a year later, married a Sikh girl from NZ - too far to travel so I wasn't at the wedding.
                    They're from New Zealand btw - my father's sister moved there with her husband (he is a Rajput himself) and my father's other sister ended up marrying a White guy from New Zealand who immigrated to the UK. Understand?
                    Last edited by زده کوونکی; 01-02-2018, 11:43 AM.
                    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Zdah-Kawunkaey

                      Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                      I have a family tree. We have some old family names.
                      For example: "Bago" which is Bactrian.

                      We also have "Baga", which is present in Avestan and Old Persian.
                      "Baga-" in Gathic Avestan occurs in the sense "portion".
                      "Baga-" in Old Persian occurs in the sense "distributor", and is used in proper names in ancient Persia.

                      Manana

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pakthun345 View Post
                        Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                        I have a family tree. We have some old family names.
                        For example: "Bago" which is Bactrian.

                        We also have "Baga", which is present in Avestan and Old Persian.
                        "Baga-" in Gathic Avestan occurs in the sense "portion".
                        "Baga-" in Old Persian occurs in the sense "distributor", and is used in proper names in ancient Persia.

                        Manana
                        Wow that is quite something that you have such old names in your family tree, brother. I had no idea that ancient Bactrian names would be in use among modern Pakhtuns.

                        If I look at my family tree, majority names are Arabo-Islamic or the Persianized variants of the same. We do have some older Turkic titles but I think those were bestowed upon us for our service to the Mughalya Darbar, rather than being our own names. I will have a look when I can.
                        Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                        He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                        "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                        "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                        Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Bago-Bactrian

                          Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                          "Bago" was my paternal great-grandfather's sister. "Bago" is Bactrian.

                          We use the term "angra".
                          "Angra" is Avestan and means hostile, evil, bad. We use it with the same meaning.
                          "Angra Mainyu" also is the evil spirit in Zoroastrianism.

                          "Anger" to make angry; enrage or provoke.
                          "Anger" is from Old Norse "angr" grief, Latin "angor" anguish.
                          The Indo-European root is "angh-".

                          Manana
                          Last edited by Pakthun345; 01-02-2018, 01:25 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Morka, maraka, mahrka

                            Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                            In Gathic Avestan "maraka" and in Young Avestan "mahrka" mean "death, destruction".
                            "Maraka" means "epidemic" in Old Indic.

                            We use "morka" for death, destruction. Hence, we change Gathic Avestan "maraka" to "morka". The usual "a" to "o" vowel change in Pashto/Paktho. We use it in the context of "death fever" where "morka" is the "death" part.

                            Manana
                            Last edited by Pakthun345; 01-02-2018, 01:54 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Interestingly, in Awadhi as in Pashto, father-in-law is "khosar" instead of standard Urdu "sasur"

                              Line from a ladies' song:

                              "morey khosar ji ke dui dui mahaliya - sab se sundar hamaro mahala"
                              My father in law has two palaces - the most beautiful is my palace

                              Also in some Eastern Indic langauges, closer to Bengali and Assamese dialects, "sh" changes to "kh" like in Pakhto, so "sundar" (beautiful) becomes "khundar" or "khundor" because of the a-o vowel shift.
                              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                              He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                              "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                              "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                              Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

                              Comment

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