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    Difference between Pashto of old times and Pashto of Today?

    As most of us know, if you read the English literature of a couple centuries back, such as that of Shakespeare, it is markedly different than the English of Today. I haven't really read a significant amount of Pashto literature and books but for those of you that have read the works of old Pashto authors(such as Rehman Baba and Khushhal Khan Khattak):Is their Pashto noticabely different than the Pashto dialects of today?
    Originally posted by Kaushika

    majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.
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    Must be very different.

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    • #3
      I have wondered about this too.Would like to hear what others say as I havn;t had the chance to read Pashto poetry and literature .

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      • #4
        There was lot more usage of Persian and Arabic words and phrases in Pashto literature of medieval period than the modern Pashto literature.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Samandri View Post
          There was lot more usage of Persian and Arabic words and phrases in Pashto literature of medieval period than the modern Pashto literature.
          I have noticed that when I hear Kalams of Rehman Baba and Khushhal Khan Khattak that they use a lot of these words. Probably has something to do with the fact that Farsi was the prestige language of that period but now English has replaced it in that role.
          Originally posted by Kaushika

          majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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          • #6
            there has to be some differences as languages are always evolving but I suspect that some of the changes, especially changes in vowels, might be hidden as the perso-Arabic script that Pashto is written in doesn't use vowels. On the other hand in English these kinds of differences are much more noticeable as vowels are written in English.
            Originally posted by Kaushika

            majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Traveller View Post
              I have noticed that when I hear Kalams of Rehman Baba and Khushhal Khan Khattak that they use a lot of these words. Probably has something to do with the fact that Farsi was the prestige language of that period but now English has replaced it in that role.
              Thats poetry. Have you read the medieval Pashto prose?. Try translating the following medieval pashto prose into English.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                Thats poetry. Have you read the medieval Pashto prose?. Try translating the following medieval pashto prose into English.

                I can't translate the whole thing due not knowing a couple words(I don't have a dictionary and thepashto.com isn't working so I couldn't search them up) but I gleaned that it was about a fights and conflicts between several tribes(some of which I'm not familiar with). These are the differences I noticed:
                -zal(ځل) is written as tsal(څل).
                -they mixed "da...sara" and "la...sara." I saw both used in the text while normally people stick to one depending on what dialect they speak.
                -they are using a simple ُ for the plural oblique suffix when all the writing I see today uses a full و.
                -Pasta ye wasn't used
                -I felt like there were some other differences but I didn't catch them due to my slight vocabulary deficiency.
                Originally posted by Kaushika

                majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                  I can't translate the whole thing due not knowing a couple words(I don't have a dictionary and thepashto.com isn't working so I couldn't search them up) but I gleaned that it was about a fights and conflicts between several tribes(some of which I'm not familiar with). These are the differences I noticed:
                  -zal(ځل) is written as tsal(څل).
                  -they mixed "da...sara" and "la...sara." I saw both used in the text while normally people stick to one depending on what dialect they speak.
                  -they are using a simple ُ for the plural oblique suffix when all the writing I see today uses a full و.
                  -Pasta ye wasn't used
                  -I felt like there were some other differences but I didn't catch them due to my slight vocabulary deficiency.
                  ....And the usage of Farsi and Arabic as i mentioned before, 'khasomat', and 'kad khuda' are Farsi, and 'Qatal wa jidaal' is Arabic. Moreover dots are missing between sentences....and there are no paragraphs in medieval prose of Pashto

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                    ....And the usage of Farsi and Arabic as i mentioned before, 'khasomat', and 'kad khuda' are Farsi, and 'Qatal wa jidaal' is Arabic. Moreover dots are missing between sentences....and there are no paragraphs in medieval prose of Pashto
                    Those first two are differences I wasn't sure about. And I the second on they said Qital aw Jidaal. Aw is Pashto conjunction so I thought Qital and Jidal were integrated into Pashto and had become Pashto words(not experienced enough to know for sure whether they were). The rest of those are differences are found in all languages between new and old texts.
                    Originally posted by Kaushika

                    majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                    • #11
                      Also ځ is modern alphabet shape , you wont find it in medieval Pashto

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                      • #12
                        There is actually. I attended an educational session by this Pashtun guy that came to our town and gave out a lecture on this very topic and he used the writings of khushal khan khattak and Rahman baba. There is a lot of words that are pronounced differently and derived from the actual words that aren't commonly used or as often.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Baserka View Post
                          There is actually. I attended an educational session by this Pashtun guy that came to our town and gave out a lecture on this very topic and he used the writings of khushal khan khattak and Rahman baba. There is a lot of words that are pronounced differently and derived from the actual words that aren't commonly used or as often.
                          Can you give examples?
                          Originally posted by Kaushika

                          majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                            Also ځ is modern alphabet shape , you wont find it in medieval Pashto
                            Did they use another letter in it's place?
                            Originally posted by Kaushika

                            majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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