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  • #16
    We have to keep in mind that Pashto and Pashtuns have very great role in development and evolution of Urdu and its earlier forms (they have ruled 'Hindi-belt' in 15th, 16th and 18th century)...... i have read two books about the Urdu words which are derived from Pashto or those farsi loan words which have become part of Urdu through Pashtuns. Some of the Pashto words which appear to be loanwords from Urdu, were part of the pashto all along

    One of the book is available online here اردو میں پشتو کا حصہ - | ریختہ
    Last edited by Samandri; 11-30-2016, 11:50 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
      We use word "marrai" for bread
      We have Paktiawal Mangal relatives and they call "dodai" "Marai" as well.
      We mainly use "Marai" to refer to a mouthful of food. yawa marai is one mouthful.

      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
      These are characteristics of Kandahari dialect , they use "drakht" instead of "wana" or "botay" .........The Pashto of Zhob (that of Sheranis, MandoKhels, Kakars etc) is very different from Quetta when it comes to vocabulary and accent. Moreover Quetta is an urban center with mostly non-indigenous population....about "magar" and "lekin", its used in Pashto of Afghanistan (in both soft and hard dialects).....watch the Tv shows of Afghanistan, you will listen "magar" and "lekin"

      Pashto in our parts dont use "lekin" and "magar"
      Its true that Kandaharis use some farsi words like drakht, seeb instead of "Manra" etc but they also use some pure words like hindara instead of "shesha, khekha" which other pashtuns use so I guess all pashtuns influenced in one way or another by their neighbours.

      Another Farsi word for "BUT" is "AMMA" and I have heard it used on Pashto channels in Afghanistan. I notice Afghans use more Farsi, Arabic terms while Pakistanis use more Englilsh, Urdu terms. It has alot to do with education system and exposure.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post
        Can Peshawaries stop saying rotai for dodai, why *******ise the simplest of words?
        To be fair, I've heard rotai used more often, but I've heard dodai many times as well. It's fairly interchangeable, and it's not like you're going to say dodai and the person will look at you without knowing wtf you're trying to say.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Samandri View Post
          We have to keep in mind that Pashto and Pashtuns have very great role in development and evolution of Urdu and its earlier forms (they have ruled 'Hindi-belt' in 15th, 16th and 18th century)...... i have read two books about the Urdu words which are derived from Pashto or those farsi loan words which have become part of Urdu through Pashtuns. Some of the Pashto words which appear to be loanwords from Urdu, were part of the pashto all along

          One of the book is available online here اردو میں پشتو کا حصہ - | ریختہ
          True, words like 'Jagara (war/fight)' (Urdu: جھگڑا) are Pashto in origin. I can't think of others, I'm sure there's a few to name.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun View Post
            To be fair, I've heard rotai used more often, but I've heard dodai many times as well. It's fairly interchangeable, and it's not like you're going to say dodai and the person will look at you without knowing wtf you're trying to say.
            first time I heard marai I didn't understand untill the Old man literally forced a dodai into my hands.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Samandri View Post
              We have to keep in mind that Pashto and Pashtuns have very great role in development and evolution of Urdu and its earlier forms (they have ruled 'Hindi-belt' in 15th, 16th and 18th century)...... i have read two books about the Urdu words which are derived from Pashto or those farsi loan words which have become part of Urdu through Pashtuns. Some of the Pashto words which appear to be loanwords from Urdu, were part of the pashto all along

              One of the book is available online here اردو میں پشتو کا حصہ - | ریختہ
              This should be interesting.I have noticed that some Pashto words are similar to Punjabi. For example, in some Pashto dialects, the word for tap is 'totai'. In Punjabi also they say 'tooti'. Likewise, in Pashto they say 'gonday' for knees. In punjabi also they say 'gonday'

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              • #22
                Originally posted by toughpashtun View Post
                This should be interesting.I have noticed that some Pashto words are similar to Punjabi. For example, in some Pashto dialects, the word for tap is 'totai'. In Punjabi also they say 'tooti'. Likewise, in Pashto they say 'gonday' for knees. In punjabi also they say 'gonday'
                knee is zangoon in pashto or zangolei in plural.

                I think yakh is used by punjabies.

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                • #23
                  isnt tap supposed to be nalkai or am i confused?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by toughpashtun View Post
                    This should be interesting.I have noticed that some Pashto words are similar to Punjabi. For example, in some Pashto dialects, the word for tap is 'totai'. In Punjabi also they say 'tooti'. Likewise, in Pashto they say 'gonday' for knees. In punjabi also they say 'gonday'
                    In both Urdu and Punjabi, they have "tontani ٹونٹی " for tap , we have "totai". They have "nal" , we have "nalkai"

                    In Urdu (and Punjabi) , they say "gutnay", we say "gonday" (e.g He is sitting in kneeling position : pa gondo nast da)..... here words are similar not same

                    (Yes zangoon is also a word for knee in Pashto which seems close to farsi word zano for knee)
                    Last edited by Samandri; 12-01-2016, 11:48 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                      We have Paktiawal Mangal relatives and they call "dodai" "Marai" as well.
                      We mainly use "Marai" to refer to a mouthful of food. yawa marai is one mouthful.



                      Its true that Kandaharis use some farsi words like drakht, seeb instead of "Manra" etc but they also use some pure words like hindara instead of "shesha, khekha" which other pashtuns use so I guess all pashtuns influenced in one way or another by their neighbours.

                      Another Farsi word for "BUT" is "AMMA" and I have heard it used on Pashto channels in Afghanistan. I notice Afghans use more Farsi, Arabic terms while Pakistanis use more Englilsh, Urdu terms. It has alot to do with education system and exposure.
                      Afridis also use "marrai" for a mouthful of bread. For a mouthful of a bread we say "ywa khlu marrai"......interesting to see that Paktiyawals also use marrai for whole bread

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                        In both Urdu and Punjabi, they have "tontani ٹونٹی " for tap , we have "totai". They have "nal" , we have "nalkai"

                        In Urdu (and Punjabi) , they say "gutnay", we say "gonday" (e.g He is sitting in kneeling position : pa gondo nast da)..... here words are similar not same

                        (Yes zangoon is also a word for knee in Pashto which seems close to farsi word zano for knee)
                        They do say "gonday" in Punjabi, I have heard it once or twice. Unless the ppl who said it had adopted it from Pashto , I don't know.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kunatawar View Post
                          isnt tap supposed to be nalkai or am i confused?
                          In Pashto, it is either 'bamba' or 'totai'.In urdu its nalka or nal

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                          • #28
                            yakh(cold) is also used in urdu/punjabi.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by toughpashtun View Post
                              yakh(cold) is also used in urdu/punjabi.
                              Though they dont use "yakh" in the meaning of cold temperature and weather while we marwats (as well as bhittanis, kundis etc) use it in that sense. Peshawar and environs has word "Yakhni" for cold weather......also "yakh" is bookish word in Urdu , "tanda" is usually used for cold in daily conversations

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by toughpashtun View Post
                                They do say "gonday" in Punjabi, I have heard it once or twice. Unless the ppl who said it had adopted it from Pashto , I don't know.
                                I just searched Punjabi dictionary (of India) , and it says "gode" , so you are kinda right but we pronounce it as gonde (singular gonda) with 'noon' included
                                Last edited by Samandri; 12-02-2016, 04:07 AM.

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