Any yall know about wanetsi pashto?

[Charsi Malang]

My small contribution of words not commonly used by other Pakhtuns

Milk-shodey
Yoghurt-payee
Snake-mangor
Urgency-beerra (retroflex "rr ")
Obscenity/profanity/swear word-zeyrra ( retroflex "rr") and not pronounced the same as the colour yellow which is "zirra"
Over there-oore
Boy-urrkai ( retroflex "rr")

These are words we commonly use in our Pashto but find other Pashtuns don't really know what we are talking about

[toughpashtun]

My small contribution of words not commonly used by other Pakhtuns

Milk-shodey
Yoghurt-payee
Snake-mangor
Urgency-beerra (retroflex "rr ")
Obscenity/profanity/swear word-zeyrra ( retroflex "rr") and not pronounced the same as the colour yellow which is "zirra"
Over there-oore
Boy-urrkai ( retroflex "rr")

These are words we commonly use in our Pashto but find other Pashtuns don't really know what we are talking about

Never heard anyone call yoghurt as 'payee'. that's the word for milk.
'Beera' sounds familiar, but didn't know the meaning.
But I'm familiar with the rest of these words..

[Samandri]

Never heard anyone call yoghurt as 'payee'. that's the word for milk.
'Beera' sounds familiar, but didn't know the meaning.
But I'm familiar with the rest of these words..

We also use Birra, it means haste...."berra kawa" , "pa beerray bande" etc

And yes, never heard of use of word Pai for Yogurt......for Yogurt its just "mastay"

[Elite Pakhtun]

We can't be too sure on which dialect is original, but as Samandri pointed out in a post some time ago , that many words that are considered Persian or Urdu might have actually been Pashto words in the past.He did have some evidence , I don't remember it clearly.I think he gave reference of a book.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-language-/10365-original-pashto-dialect-3.html

[Kakar-Wardak]

We also use Birra, it means haste...."berra kawa" , "pa beerray bande" etc

And yes, never heard of use of word Pai for Yogurt......for Yogurt its just "mastay"

We say Pirra instead of birra.

[toughpashtun]

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-...dialect-3.html

This:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-language-/50624-tribe-purest-pashto-5.html

[Elite Pakhtun]

This:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-...-pashto-5.html

Irrelevant.

I hope now you're aware that the kheen dialect is closest to the original pakhto.

[Charsi Malang]

This:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-...-pashto-5.html

The Pashto spoken by youths and college students in Peshawar 🤣.


LOL 😂

[Shapur]

We use this phrase "Chabek sha" or " Chattak sha", both mean to hurry up.

I have heard Chabek is of Turkish origin, anyone know if Wanetsis uss thess phrases.

[Samandri]

We can't be too sure on which dialect is original, but as Samandri pointed out in a post some time ago , that many words that are considered Persian or Urdu might have actually been Pashto words in the past.He did have some evidence , I don't remember it clearly.I think he gave reference of a book.

I am not a linguist or expert on the matter but its very simple....Pashto is partly descended from Avestan....just compare some Pashto words alternating between hard and Soft dialects, with original Avestan words ......e.g Avestan word for camel is Ushtra ( uštra, š= sh sound)......from it is descended the word "Ush" of soft dialect which was later modified to "UKh" by those who colonized the upper northern areas of Afgh-Pak. For tear, its "asruka" in Avestan from Which "Ushka" of Soft dialect is derived which is modified to "Ukhka" in hard. For hair it is "vāstra" in Avestan from which is derived "Veshta or Weshta" of Soft dialect (hard dialect changes it to Wekhta)...

George Morgenstierne, renowned linguist, in Encyclopedia of Islam, says that Soft dialect is original version and hard is later development. I dont have access to Encyclopedia of Islam but reference of it is given in "The Pathans" of Olaf Caoe who disagrees with him. Olaf Caroe was not a linguist and is known for his mistakes in Pashto and history (refer to "critique on Caroe" by Dost Muhammad Khan Kamil)..... George Morgenstierne, an expert on Indo-Iranian languages, has more credibilty Georg Morgenstierne - Wikipedia

[Samandri]

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[Elite Pakhtun]

I am not a linguist or expert on the matter but its very simple....Pashto is partly descended from Avestan....just compare some Pashto words alternating between hard and Soft dialects, with original Avestan words ......

Source of Pashto language is a matter with differing opinions, depending on the person. Some say Avestan, some say Arik, some say Saki, some say other things (Hebrew, etc).

Could you provide us the source of these Avestan words? It would help us conclude this easier.

e.g Avestan word for camel is Ushtra ( uštra, š= sh sound)......from it is descended the word "Ush" of soft dialect which was later modified to "UKh"

I think this is merely a coincidence, and not proof of anything. I will give it to you though. It is a good coincidence.

The English word "bad" is also "bad" in Pashto (pronounced slightly different). Also "da"/"de" and "the" are somewhat similar in sound and usage. Ossetian "ta" "ma" (usually it's "zama", but sometimes we say "ma" as shortform) and "num" overlap exactly with Pashto.

There was a thread which had this avestan word comparison. It had a number of words which overlapped with Kheen dialect moreso than the kandahari dialect. Unfortunately that thread is deleted. No idea why. It's not like there is a bias here.

Also, Avestan would be root for Farsi words as well, many of which Pashto has borrowed. Georg Morgenstierne believes Pashto's root is actually Saki, not Avestan.

by those who colonized the upper northern areas of Afgh-Pak.

Please provide proof of this "colonization of the northern areas". I dispute this claim. It sounds a bit humorous, but I'm interested in this topic. Would love to learn more about it.

Reference to Pactyans among Gandhara has been documented. Also, why would dialect change to something completely distinct? Wouldn't it be more logical if it was closer to, idk, Punjabi/Hindko instead?

For tear, its "asruka" in Avestan from Which "Ushka" of Soft dialect is derived which is modified to "Ukhka" in hard.

Not an original Pashto word. Derived from some farsi thing (which itself has transformed over time).

For hair it is "vāstra" in Avestan from which is derived "Veshta or Weshta" of Soft dialect (hard dialect changes it to Wekhta)...

No, hair is varesåsca [varesa] in Avestan.

Source of these Avestan words are requested, once again.

George Morgenstierne, renowned linguist, in Encyclopedia of Islam, says that Soft dialect is original version and hard is later development.

Are you sure? I don't believe he ever said this. There's no reference outside of PF.

I dont have access to Encyclopedia of Islam but reference of it is given in "The Pathans" of Olaf Caoe who disagrees with him. Olaf Caroe was not a linguist and is known for his mistakes in Pashto and history (refer to "critique on Caroe" by Dost Muhammad Khan Kamil)..... George Morgenstierne, an expert on Indo-Iranian languages, has more credibilty Georg Morgenstierne - Wikipedia

Olaf Caroe is well respected. He makes reference to Pactyans being mentioned by Herodotus, among other things. Not sure he said anything about original dialects. Can you provide the source where mentions George's claims on the dialects?

I would recommend looking through this paper: http://pu.edu.pk/images/journal/engl...I_jan_2016.pdf

It's fairly comprehensive.

[Samandri]

According to Britannica : the southern dialect preserves the ancient /sh/ and /zh/ sounds. Pashto language | Britannica.com

[Elite Pakhtun]

Let's just hypothetically say that I agree with you... how do you explain how different the kheen dialect is from every language in it's surroundings?

[Traveller]

Let's just hypothetically say that I agree with you... how do you explain how different the kheen dialect is from every language in it's surroundings?

The fact that it developed later doesn't mean that it's impure or was influence by other languages. It just means that the soft dialect was there first and that the hard dialect evolved from it. Languages naturally evolve and it doesn't only happen because of outside influence, although that can certainly be a factor. Basically the kheen dialect being different from surrounding languages has nothing to do with it being original.