Pure Pashto - Useful or Not ?

[EinDeutscher]

Hello, I am trying to learn Pashto. I know Farsi so I use a lot of Farsi when I try to speak Pashto with my friends.

However the other my friend she told me that I should try to speak "pure" Pashto. And gave me the following Website of Mashaal Radio:
1) http://www.mashaalradio.org/content/.../25207549.html
and Facebook pages to add:
1) کره پښتو زده کړه

https://www.facebook.com/pages/%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%D8%B2%D8%AF%D9%87-%DA%A9%DA%93%D9%87/1410128112551480

2) نږه پښتو - کره پښتو - سوچه پښتو

https://www.facebook.com/pages/%D9%86%DA%96%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%D8%B3%D9%88%DA%86%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88/1450430688607225

3) Pure Pashto لغړه پښتو

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pure-Pashto-%D9%84%D8%BA%DA%93%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88/341592382698929

Now I understand why Pure Language is important since it preserves the language etc But I looked up in many Pashto dictionaries and all of them contained the Farsi I was using like: ضرور

So is it actually useful to learn Pure Pashto ? Do people use it ?

[Badlun]

If you want to speak Pashto then it must be pure. If you have a pure Pashto word then why you replace it with a non Pashto word. It has no sense. Mixing Pashto is adulteration rather adultery.

Kara or spezali or sucha Pashto is so sweet,so ebthralling and heart dissolving. I love it.

[Sarbani]

Hello, I am trying to learn Pashto. I know Farsi so I use a lot of Farsi when I try to speak Pashto with my friends.

However the other my friend she told me that I should try to speak "pure" Pashto. And gave me the following Website of Mashaal Radio:
1) http://www.mashaalradio.org/content/.../25207549.html
and Facebook pages to add:
1) کره پښتو زده کړه

https://www.facebook.com/pages/%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%D8%B2%D8%AF%D9%87-%DA%A9%DA%93%D9%87/1410128112551480

2) نږه پښتو - کره پښتو - سوچه پښتو

https://www.facebook.com/pages/%D9%86%DA%96%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88-%D8%B3%D9%88%DA%86%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88/1450430688607225

3) Pure Pashto لغړه پښتو

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pure-Pashto-%D9%84%D8%BA%DA%93%D9%87-%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88/341592382698929

Now I understand why Pure Language is important since it preserves the language etc But I looked up in many Pashto dictionaries and all of them contained the Farsi I was using like: ضرور

So is it actually useful to learn Pure Pashto ? Do people use it ?

I'm a huge advocate of cleansing Pashto from impure Persian/Urdu/Arabic words that have no place in the language, but honestly, if you speak literally 100% pure Pashto, people will have trouble understanding what you're saying. So in real life conversations, just use the "normal" version of Pashto used by most people. Just don't speak Pashto like most Peshawaris who strip Pashto bare naked.

[یاسمینه]

agree with [MENTION=17856]Azad Pashtunistan[/MENTION]. Whenever I used in conversation with Pashtuns words like for example کېدون ، ونجون Pashtuns never understood them, even those graduated of Pashto literature and language in Afghanistan/ Pakistan.
Pure Pashto is a beautiful language but in some way artificial - rarely spoken and rarely understood.

[Badlun]

I don't understand that why Pure Pashto will be a problem for a Pashtun. What I see in real life situations is that my illiterate grandma does not understand heavy Persian or Urdu or Arabic words mixed with Pashto.

If some words like roghtoon or pohantoon or tughandey or khowanzey did not get currency especially in Pakistan then the solution is not shunning these words but using it more and more so that these get currency. I never speak impure ,dirty ,adulterated Pashto and every body perfectly understand me .

Pashtun nationalists must make it a challenge to use only and only Pure Pashto and if there is comprehension issues, they must facilitate their listeners and readers to understand them.

[EinDeutscher]

...if you speak literally 100% pure Pashto, people will have trouble understanding what you're saying. So in real life conversations, just use the "normal" version of Pashto used by most people...

...Whenever I used in conversation with Pashtuns words like for example کېدون ، ونجون Pashtuns never understood them, even those graduated of Pashto literature and language in Afghanistan/ Pakistan.
Pure Pashto is a beautiful language but in some way artificial - rarely spoken and rarely understood.

Danke !!! [تشکر] This make my life easy !!!

This is actually quite strange, that Pashto speakers find Pashto difficult to understand.German speakers generally use "pure" German. Even the modern borrowings in English is considered normal and at ease with the language since English is a Germanic language. Even latin borrowings we have Germanised, which not the case in Pashto what I have learnt from my limited study so far. All the German states in the late-1990s [with exception of Luxemburg] jointly carried Language reforms which has secured the German language.
Perhaps, the general Pashto speaker is unaware that he/she is using the foreign languages despite having alternatives. It is very strange to me.

[یاسمینه]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] you can not force people to use pure Pashto. You can repeat pure Pashto words as many times as you want, but you won't change usus of local communities, groups as long as individuals are not interested in this change. This interest requires a certain level of linguistic awarness, open-mindedness to changes.. I think poverty, low socio-economic conditions, conflicts and lack of stability deprive the people of this background. Education by force never works.

[Badlun]

Danke !!! [تشکر] This make my life easy !!!

This is actually quite strange, that Pashto speakers find Pashto difficult to understand.German speakers generally use "pure" German. Even the modern borrowings in English is considered normal and at ease with the language since English is a Germanic language. Even latin borrowings we have Germanised, which not the case in Pashto what I have learnt from my limited study so far. All the German states in the late-1990s [with exception of Luxemburg] jointly carried Language reforms which has secured the German language.
Perhaps, the general Pashto speaker is unaware that he/she is using the foreign languages despite having alternatives. It is very strange to me.

If you meant Tashakur تشکر to be a Pashto word, then it is a mistake. This is the problem that we use this Persian word at the cost of a pure Pashto word MANANA.

Th bottom line is that if we have a pure Pashto word then no need of an impure Pashto word instead. If we do not have a Pashto word and cannot make a substitute word or this word is not made before by Linguists or language users , then it is natural we may borrow a foreign word.

[haseeebo]

i can only speak a little pashto :/

[Badlun]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] you can not force people to use pure Pashto. You can repeat pure Pashto words as many times as you want, but you won't change usus of local communities, groups as long as individuals are not interested in this change. This interest requires a certain level of linguistic awarness, open-mindedness to changes.. I think poverty, low socio-economic conditions, conflicts and lack of stability deprive the people of this background. Education by force never works.

No body is forcing and no body can force in such cases. We have to create an environment where use of pure Pashto words become conducive. My personal experience is encouraging that all my Pashtun friends and family memebrs speak pure Pashto at least with me. In Afghanistan memebers of Afghan Mellat and in Paksitan members of PMAP and ANP speak pure Pashto. Especially PMAP members will never speak an adulterated Pashto language.

[EinDeutscher]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] you can not force people to use pure Pashto. You can repeat pure Pashto words as many times as you want, but you won't change usus of local communities, groups as long as individuals are not interested in this change. This interest requires a certain level of linguistic awarness, open-mindedness to changes.. I think poverty, low socio-economic conditions, conflicts and lack of stability deprive the people of this background. Education by force never works.

Hmm just my opinion, I do not think it is only to do with economy. People in South America are reviving there ancient languages due to the Love they feel for their culture.

I think it is to do with the level of love and respect you have for your own culture and language.

But it is very strange that Pashto has all the words present but still her speakers use Farsi.

[Badlun]

Hmm just my opinion, I do not think it is only to do with economy. People in South America are reviving there ancient languages due to the Love they feel for their culture.

I think it is to do with the level of love and respect you have for your own culture and language.

But it is very strange that Pashto has all the words present but still her speakers use Farsi.

Yes . I have seen in Bolivia ,Ecuador and esoecially Paraguay that they are reviving their old languages like Kechua ,Guarani etc .
Pashtuns do Pashto but not on Pashto. It means they guard honor of everything except Pashto language. Also Islamism have changed their priorities. Besides Pashto faces mamooth pressure fron the linguistic invasion of Urdu and Persian.

[EinDeutscher]

Yes . I have seen in Bolivia ,Ecuador and esoecially Paraguay that they are reviving their old languages like Kechua ,Guarani etc .
Pashtuns do Pashto but not on Pashto. It means they guard honor of everything except Pashto language. Also Islamism have changed their priorities. Besides Pashto faces mamooth pressure fron the linguistic invasion of Urdu and Persian.

I do not think it is to do with Religion, in South America they are very strong Catholics and the Catholic church has always preferred Latin Languages [spanish, portuguese]. Nor do I think it is do with "linguistic invasion", if so most of the post-colonial world would have stopped speaking their native languages and switched on to European ones.

In my opinion it is to do with the amount of Love, Respect and Appreciation one feels for the language/culture.


You should watch these Aljazeera documentaries; to see how its not about Economics or Politics but just a bit of Willpower and Love:
1) Maori Language:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/livingthelanguage/2012/04/2012416141630195978.html

2) South America:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/livingthelanguage/2012/04/2012416121435209463.html

[Badlun]

Yes lack of love is the main and internal reason for the farsified or urdufied Pashto . If Pashtuns would love their language it would have an official status and would be used in a pure form.
But religion and other external factors do have a role. Catholicism when mixed with politics like Islamism did away with local languages. After secularism now the old languages are under revival.
Mullahs consider Urdu and Arabic or Persian more important than Pashto. These languages also have state sponsorship while Pashto is devoid of any such support.

[EinDeutscher]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] Again I have to disagree with you. The indigenous people pray in their own language and indigenous priests also give sermons in their own language. Same can be done with Pashto. If the entire theology of Islam in Ottoman times could be based in Persian then I do not know why Pashto speakers can not teach the Quran or any other religious book in Pashto.

I also have to disagree with state sponsorship argument. If you see the Maori documentary I shared; the Maori people took language revival into their own hands. Maori schools are run by the Maori Trust [private] rather than on government money.

The truth is people like me and Pashto speakers will keep on relying on Farsi in Pashto unless Pashto speakers do not make an effort to revive Pashto.