need help in translation

[یاسمینه]

How to translate:

د ښو خلقو له روحانیه

From the context (ziyorats, spirituality, prayers to "saints") I guess that the word "saint" could be, till some extent, proper. But since it is the text written by a Pashtun, in Pashto and about Pashtuns, and, at the same time, taking into account Islam, I wonder, if the term "saint" is proper.
Any suggestions?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Roh means spirit. Ruhani means spiritual. Spiritual people are revered.

Sainthood is refered to as wilayah. A wali is considered saint. Thats ignorant what people believe. Wali from an Islamic perspective is not the same as saint.

[یاسمینه]

Roh means spirit. Ruhani means spiritual. Spiritual people are revered.

Sainthood is refered to as wilayah. A wali is considered saint. Thats ignorant what people believe. Wali from an Islamic perspective is not the same as saint.

Thank you a lot.
Could you please try to describe 'wali' in English, give me full semantic range of this term? Maybe it would help to fins a proper term in my language.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Thank you a lot.
Could you please try to describe 'wali' in English, give me full semantic range of this term? Maybe it would help to fins a proper term in my language.

Wali means:

• Friend
• Guardian
• Ally
• Helper
• Benefactor
• Supporter
• Partner
• Governor

It is an Arabic word. In Qur'an there are various verses where the word Wali is mentioned in a varying contexts.

When a woman gets married, she must have guardian to look out for her interest during the marriage ceremony and the legal procedure. This can be her father, her grandfather, her brother, her fathers brother etc. He is refered to as a Wali. This is a legal term in the realm of legal aspects of Islam.

In spiritual context and in creed wali means friend/ally/supporter etc. Most Allah fearing, most pious and righteous people are refered to as awliya in Qur'an. See the following article explaining Wali from an Islamic prespective: http://muttaqun.com/wali.html


Wali can be an ally. A Muslim is wali of another Muslim. Muslims in general, are walis of Allah. and Allah is the wali of Muslims. They are supporters, friends and allies.

Non-Muslims, mischievous people causing harm to others, malicious people with ill intentions are walis of Satan/Shaitan.

A righteous person is always hostile to a malicious and mischievous person hating him and from the bottom of his heart. This hatred and hostility is called, disavowal (tabarraa/Bara'a) which is the opposite of being a wali. The two can never be friends and allies. There is a constant war and hostility among the righteous and the evil people. This separation of the right and wrong is the basis of Muslims creed. A Muslim should be only loyal and supporter of those who are on Allah's side. A Muslim cannot be allied and befriended with those who harm the true path. This concept is explained in the following book: http://www.islamhouse.com/386693/en/...-Wala_wal-Bara

[khushal]

How to translate:

د ښو خلقو له روحانیه

From the context (ziyorats, spirituality, prayers to "saints") I guess that the word "saint" could be, till some extent, proper. But since it is the text written by a Pashtun, in Pashto and about Pashtuns, and, at the same time, taking into account Islam, I wonder, if the term "saint" is proper.
Any suggestions?

Wali is an Arabic word.
The Pashto word for saint is "ba-zarg."
Ziyorats are where "ba-zargs" are buried, So zoyart would be the shrine that the Saint is buried in.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Wali is an Arabic word.
The Pashto word for saint is "ba-zarg."
Ziyorats are where "ba-zargs" are buried, So zoyart would be the shrine that the Saint is buried in.

"Ba-zarg" is not a Pashto word. Its Farsi and it is "buzurg" meaning great. Zyarat is an Arabic word meaning visiting/seeing.

People visit graves to remember the death and to pray for forgiveness and mercy for the buried people.

Polytheists/idolworshippers visit graves to seek blessing from the death. This is a Christian/Hindu/Polytheist custom. Unfortunaly some Pashtuns who are polytheists still do it. But they are minority. Vast majority are Muslims.

[khushal]

"Ba-zarg" is not a Pashto word. Its Farsi and it is "buzurg" meaning great. Zyarat is an Arabic word meaning visiting/seeing.

People visit graves to remember the death and to pray for forgiveness and mercy for the buried people.

Polytheists/idolworshippers visit graves to seek blessing from the death. This is a Christian/Hindu/Polytheist custom. Unfortunaly some Pashtuns who are polytheists still do it. But they are minority. Vast majority are Muslims.

Ive never heard Pashtuns use Wali for saint, bazarg is used. Wali is used for those other words you mentioned like guardian, authority etc. Pashtuns have corrupted/changed the meaning of some Arabic loan words like Zyarat. For example "hareeb" is an Arabic word meaning stranger but Pashtun use it to mean a poor person. Gyrat is an Arabic word to mean jealous but Pashtuns use it for more than that.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Ive never heard Pashtuns use Wali for saint, bazarg is used. Wali is used for those other words you mentioned like guardian, authority etc. Pashtuns have corrupted/changed the meaning of some Arabic loan words like Zyarat. For example "hareeb" is an Arabic word meaning stranger but Pashtun use it to mean a poor person. Gyrat is an Arabic word to mean jealous but Pashtuns use it for more than that.

Gheerat in Arabic and pashto is the same. Its just that in pashto people havr misplaced gheerah.

Buzurg and wali are used. However in Pakistan most people say bazarg.

Some make fun of the concept og buzurg by deliberately mispronouncing it as "buz-rag" wich translates to goat-vein implying they are mixed with goats. Partially animal.

[یاسمینه]

Thank you guys!

[khushal]

Gheerat in Arabic and pashto is the same. Its just that in pashto people havr misplaced gheerah.

Buzurg and wali are used. However in Pakistan most people say bazarg.

Some make fun of the concept og buzurg by deliberately mispronouncing it as "buz-rag" wich translates to goat-vein implying they are mixed with goats. Partially animal.

I have asked many arabs stretching from Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, Algeria and others about the word Ghyrat and they tell me they don't have such a word, they tell me they have the word gheerah. But all Iranians and Farsiwans from Afghanistan have the word ghyrat in their vocabulary.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I have asked many arabs stretching from Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, Algeria and others about the word Ghyrat and they tell me they don't have such a word, they tell me they have the word gheerah. But all Iranians and Farsiwans from Afghanistan have the word ghyrat in their vocabulary.

You have wasted your time asking them this question. Instead, you should have consulted Pashto language books where etymology of words are documented. Ghairat is a corruption of the Arabic word gheerah.

Everybody knows this, except illiterates.

[khushal]

You have wasted your time asking them this question. Instead, you should have consulted Pashto language books where etymology of words are documented. Ghairat is a corruption of the Arabic word gheerah.

Everybody knows this, except illiterates.

Well, that's what I originally said and you replied by saying that the word Ghyrat in Pashto and Arabic are the same. Now your saying they don't have it. Make up your mind.