Difference between "Krrum" and "Kuh-rray?"

[Pukhtoon]

When does "Krrum" get used versus "Kuh-rray?" I cannot seem to find a rule or guidance on the subject.

As an example:

Ze day tawheen krrum

But why not "Ze day tawheen kuh-rray?"

Or

Lemonz day kuh-rray dah? Why not, "Lemonz day krrum?"

The above sentence roughly translates to

Me insult you did

(Ze-day = Me; Tawheen = Insult; Krrum = You did).

and

Prayer (lemonz) yours (day) you did (kuh-rray dah)? respectively.

Anyone care to shed some light? Thanks in advance.

[Badlun]

"Krrum" or Kom (I do) like khrum(I eat) is Present Indefinite tense while "Kuh-rray?" (done) like khuarhaley(eaten) is Present Perfect Tense.

However krrum is now more archaic, formal, litreary and more used in written Pashto while its form KOM is more used in spoken Pashto. For example Za day Tawheen kom, rarely Krrrum.( I do your insult= I insult you).

"Ze day tawheen kuh-rray?" is grammatically wrong as in Prsent Perfect tense the pronun MA is used not ZA. And the auxiliary verb dey must follow the verb.

The sentence should be MA DE TAWHEEN KARHEY DEY(I have insulted you)
Similarly I pray( za monz kom)= present indefinite tense
I have prayed. Ma monz karhey dey.
ta monz karhey dey etc

There is a detailed discussion on such topics in the section Pashto classes in this forum.

[Pukhtoon]

"Krrum" or Kom (I do) like khrum(I eat) is Present Indefinite tense while "Kuh-rray?" (done) like khuarhaley(eaten) is Present Perfect Tense.

However krrum is now more archaic, formal, litreary and more used in written Pashto while its form KOM is more used in spoken Pashto. For example Za day Tawheen kom, rarely Krrrum.( I do your insult= I insult you).

"Ze day tawheen kuh-rray?" is grammatically wrong as in Prsent Perfect tense the pronun MA is used not ZA. And the auxiliary verb dey must follow the verb.

The sentence should be MA DE TAWHEEN KARHEY DEY(I have insulted you)
Similarly I pray( za monz kom)= present indefinite tense
I have prayed. Ma monz karhey dey.
ta monz karhey dey etc

There is a detailed discussion on such topics in the section Pashto classes in this forum.

Thank you - would you say "krrum" isn't used generally by all Pukhto speakers or some areas use it more and others less? The people I have spoken to use krrum quite often, has the lack of use of krrum been happening recently (last 10, 20, 30 years)?

I will try to find the explanation on the thread you mentioned as well. Daera manana.

[Badlun]

Thank you - would you say "krrum" isn't used generally by all Pukhto speakers or some areas use it more and others less? The people I have spoken to use krrum quite often, has the lack of use of krrum been happening recently (last 10, 20, 30 years)?

I will try to find the explanation on the thread you mentioned as well. Daera manana.

krrum or krhum(I do) is the verb form or conjugation for first person singular of the infinitive kawal(to do). Usually in Spoken Pashto the conjugation for the infinitive kawal is like this
za kom=I do
mong kawoo=we do
ta kawey=you do
taso kawai=you do
hagha kawi=he/she does
haghoi kawi=they do

The alternative form which I only form in Rahman Baba poetry or some other poetic litrature will be like this
za krruam
mong krru
ta krhey
taso krhai
hagha/haghoi krhi
May be in some Pashto speaking regions which I do not know this conjugation of Kawal is used but I find it myself only in written formal or archaic Pashto. Other members may share their experiences in this connection please.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Kom is only regional. Most ofvus say krrem.

[Pukhtoon]

krrum or krhum(I do) is the verb form or conjugation for first person singular of the infinitive kawal(to do). Usually in Spoken Pashto the conjugation for the infinitive kawal is like this
za kom=I do
mong kawoo=we do
ta kawey=you do
taso kawai=you do
hagha kawi=he/she does
haghoi kawi=they do

The alternative form which I only form in Rahman Baba poetry or some other poetic litrature will be like this
za krruam
mong krru
ta krhey
taso krhai
hagha/haghoi krhi
May be in some Pashto speaking regions which I do not know this conjugation of Kawal is used but I find it myself only in written formal or archaic Pashto. Other members may share their experiences in this connection please.

Ze krrum and ze kom/kawom come to different meanings and used at different times so maybe that's where the misunderstanding is coming from or maybe just dialectal difference. Which region is it that doesn't use "krrum" anymore and its looked at as more archaic?

[Badlun]

Ze krrum and ze kom/kawom come to different meanings and used at different times so maybe that's where the misunderstanding is coming from or maybe just dialectal difference. Which region is it that doesn't use "krrum" anymore and its looked at as more archaic?

Please explain the difference in meaning and pragmatics of za kom/kawom and za krrum?

I being user of hard dialect and grown up in Kunarr and Dir always use kom for I do. I listen to it in media and from other Pashto users. In potery I have found versions like kandi or krrum but so far have never heard a Pashtun saying za krrum for I do. May be in other regions as shamlawar they say za krrum for I do.

[Pukhtoon]

Please explain the difference in meaning and pragmatics of za kom/kawom and za krrum?

I being user of hard dialect and grown up in Khost and Dir always use kom for I do. I listen to it in media and from other Pashto users. In potery I have found versions like kandi or krrum but so far have never heard a Pashtun saying za krrum for I do. May be in other regions as shamlawar they say za krrum for I do.

I am sure you know much more then me about Pashto but I can't articulate it as cleanly as you have in prior posts, but they just get used in different places. The people I speak to are Eastern dialect speakers, so Jalalabad, Kabul, etc. so maybe that accounts for the difference. If I find the time I will try to ask someone who knows more about the language to articulate the difference better.

[یاسمینه]

What is krrum and kuh-rray? Do you mean the forms of the verb کړل ? `

[Badlun]

What is krrum and kuh-rray? Do you mean the forms of the verb کړل ? `

He may explain it further but I think he is talking of this verb krhal which is the archaic/formal form or used synonymously with the verb kawal/kol . Both the verbs krhal and kawal are translated as to do.
It is very rare for me to say I do this work=za da kar krham, usually it is said za da kar kawom/kom

[Badlun]

As I am thinking more on this subject, new ideas are coming to me .This is very interesting that the verb krhal lost its use in many regions in Simple present and past tenses as we say ZA KOM,MA UKO not ZA KRHAM/KRHO but it is still used in other tenses as
Present and Past Perfect Tenses
MA DA KAR KARHEY DEY/WOO =I have/had done this work

[یاسمینه]

Ok. I know what you mean. I will write more about this verb soon.

[Pukhtoon]

As I am thinking more on this subject, new ideas are coming to me .This is very interesting that the verb krhal lost its use in many regions in Simple present and past tenses as we say ZA KOM,MA UKO not ZA KRHAM/KRHO but it is still used in other tenses as
Present and Past Perfect Tenses
MA DA KAR KARHEY DEY/WOO =I have/had done this work

This is what I meant although I could not articulate it in this manner. The people I know also say ze kum/kawom and not ze krrum but in other instances, as you mentioned above, present and past perfect tenses they use kuh-rray and krum. The way I have noticed it used most is when your referring to someone else or what someone else has or hasn't done to you or otherwise (although this is just informal observation).

The reason I made the post was probably because it is used inconsistently and I couldn't get an understanding of why that was (rules, irregularity, or just evolution of the language and disfavor for its use in certain tenses as opposed to others).