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I know ever since the arrival of Islam that Pashto started to get influenced by other languages like Farsi and Arabic so the borrowing was intense. Pad shah is the Persian word for king and pacha is the equalized version of king. Can show me a chart or something of how much words are native to our language.
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
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I don't think it is possible for several reasons. Pashto is not a "monolith" language, there are too many dialects and many of them have not been suficiently studied.
Besides, to determine the origin of the words requires enormous linguistic (and not only!) knowledge
In my opinion there is a lot of loan words mainly from Arabic, Persian, Turkish, Hindi and English languages.
I bet there are many words in Pashto you would take as pure Pashto words, while in reality they are not.دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه -
Just about every language borrows from one another.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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Yes that is true, but after looking at our language it seems to borrow more than average. I heard southern pashtuns speak pure Pashto not containing any Arabic or Persian words.Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
"My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"Comment
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To make such an assertion, you'd have to know the average. We don't know the average, on top of that, the average over what? What was the sample size? etc, so as you can see, this is a murky situation.Originally posted by Kushan Prince View PostEven Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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Now I am thinking what a loan word is in Pashto language. For example dars comes from Arabic, in the same form it exist in Pashto. Tapos also exists in Pashto, it is taken by many as pure Pashto word, but it is pholologically transformed Arabic word tafahhus.دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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A lot of Persian words are originaly Arabic.Originally posted by یاسمینه View Post
Yasmeena are you Persian?"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
"My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"Comment
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Funny question
I am Polish (of Asian origins).
Last edited by یاسمینه; 04-06-2013, 05:06 PM.دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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I reckon 15-20% of pashto vocabulary is Arabic and 25-35% of Farsi uses arabic words.
Arabic has had a profound impact on Pashto unlike any other non Indo European language.Comment
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What about Turkish and Hindi words?دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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I don't believe Pashto has any Hindi or Turkish words. Infact Hindi has more Turkish Persian and Arabic words then any other language.Originally posted by یاسمینه View Post"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
"My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"Comment
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For example, do you know the words ماتول or بجه ? Both are of Hindi origins.
ولس has Turkish origin...دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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Yasmeenah, how do we know that's a Turkish word? i.e how do we know a word belongs to a specific language, and not a language that existed far before. Many languages are now extinct, probably were the original owners of some words, which are now falsely attributed to some languages. For example, suppose there is a word in Russian, Polish, Hindi and Pashto, how do determine the common denominator, origin? Even then, our history is only so limited of languages that existed thousands of years before that probably(again, even that's not sure). I posed this same question to Noam Chomsky, and he too said most of what we go by is just 'what Historians and others wrote'. I.e, there is no qualitative evidence.
The word Kitab probably initially 50,000 years old(or some outrageous number) belonged to a language called Yasmeenah, which is now extinct(due to lack of speakers)and since it influenced a new language back than(Arabic), it now appears as if it's an Arabic word(again, just thinking out loud).Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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Well, it is not my knowledge. It is what I learn, mainly from a professor who is a linguist, biosociolinguist, speaks 6-7 Oriental languages, knows a lot about Central Asian cultures in historical context. So if it comes to linguistic issues, I completely trust her.
It is true that is not easy to determine the etymology/ origin of the words. But if you know the language processes, languages, population genetics, culture, you can determine potential origin. Of course, it is very likely that, for example, the word woles came to Turkish language from an older, extinct language - probably we can't check it now. But this is not in contradiction with the fact that the word came to Pashto from Turkish.دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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