why are we adapting so much to farsi?

[Nokia_Apridy]

Khu zma 2 tapsona

awal da chay

1: MARA KHATA Parsi waye....

2: ma sa parsi khu onwala chay poy nashway.....

da 2 karkhay da parsi haqeqat sarganda wi chay


da naray Bekara jaba da........ao ka na da waye chay


kha jaba da ?

[آريا]

khu zma 2 tapsona

awal da chay

1: Mara khata parsi waye....

2: Ma sa parsi khu onwala chay poy nashway.....

Da 2 karkhay da parsi haqeqat sarganda wi chay


da naray bekara jaba da........ao ka na da waye chay


kha jaba da ?

هاهاها ما خو اورېدلي وو تاسې پنجاپیان فارسي سره د انګرېزۍ او اوردو څخه هم زیاته مینه کوئ؟ نو هسې د سپیو غوندې پاک سر زمين شاد باد پاک سر زمين شاد باد چغې وهئ؟

[Nokia_Apridy]

هاهاها ما خو اورېدلي وو تاسې پنجاپیان فارسي سره د انګرېزۍ او اوردو څخه هم زیاته مینه کوئ؟ نو هسې
د سپیو غوندې پاک سر زمين شاد باد پاک سر زمين شاد باد چغې وهئ؟


da khbray ba da kadar wakam khu haga sa ma leka chay darta

mor ao plar khaye ley....mannnnnnnna

ao patay shwa da za na yayam da

NARAY KHALAK da waye chay example


PARSI KKHU ma darta na di waley chay ta na pohgay...

2: mara khata parsi waye ...............

pa da ma poye ka ....mannnnnnnnna

[آريا]

parsi kkhu ma darta na di waley chay ta na pohgay...

2: Mara khata parsi waye ...............

Pa da ma poye ka ....mannnnnnnnna

فکر کوم په دې متل کې فارسي د مستۍ په معنا راغلۍ چې څوک موړ شي نو زړه يې مستي غواړي

خو غلط کېدی شم

[Nokia_Apridy]

keday shi daga shan .............da poha khbra kwa.....

[یاسمینه]

Khu zma 2 tapsona

awal da chay

1: MARA KHATA Parsi waye....

2: ma sa parsi khu onwala chay poy nashway.....

da 2 karkhay da parsi haqeqat sarganda wi chay


da naray Bekara jaba da........ao ka na da waye chay


kha jaba da ?

Nokia_Apridy, I think you know I'm not a fluent Pashto speaker, I've been learning Pashto since Oct 2010. English transliterration doesn't help me at all as in may cases is not clear. Anyway I tried to face your Pashto.

1. I checked 3 dictionaries and both form of "stomach" are correct in Pashto:
خېټه او خيټه
2. What two lines of Farsi did you refer? And what, in your opinion I didn't understand?
I wrote in other post that I like Pashto. Much more than Dari. But the language I really don't like is classical Persian (I learn it as well).

Somehow I know you speak English. So could you please answer my questions in English? Thank you.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Yasemanay

it mean in genrl life

when we did,nt understn from sme one wht he talk abt thn ....

the guy ylling and say .....ohhh dam " i m not talking to u in parsi ...y u not got my point or

why u not understnd :P.."

[بصير]

Literature and in particular academic literature is an important factor when it comes to a languages influence. English is the dominant language of the world partly because of its abysmal scope of literature be that literature scientific, technological or of the arts. Historically this is partly the reason behind Englishs success; the industrial revolution, which started in and was mainly in intially an English speaking country, had an immediate impact on the English language, new technological development correlated with an expansion of technical lexicon in the English language and the papers on them were in English, this initially meant that if you wanted to learn about those developments, you had to learn English. Even today most scientific developments are described first in the English language.

Learning English gives you access to the most important scientific and technological knowledge, and that is a very powerful incentive.

With this framework, the problem is that Pashto is, relative to some of the neighbouring languages, an underdeveloped language, and denying this is detrimental to Pashto. Also we don’t even have a prevalent standard form; secondly and most importantly, the academic state of Pashto is relatively terrible.
If you want other people to learn Pashto you need to give them a real incentive to learn the language and at the moment, there is little incentive to learn Pashto. Farsi dominates as the prevalent language of academia, commerce and media. There are more incentives to learn Farsi than there are to learn Pashto hence naturally Farsiwans will not be inclined to learn Pashto and Pashtuns will be inclined to learn Farsi.

The fact that government documents are in Pashto is meaningless when Farsi dominates academia, commerce and media. It is the duty of Pashtuns to develop Pashto as a more competent language in academia primarily and also in commerce, media etc. Only when Pashto competes with Farsi as an academic language, as a language of commerce and media, i.e. only when there are real incentives to learn Pashto, will Farsiwan start learning Pashto and Pashtuns stop their inclinations to Farsi.
Farsiwan are very lucky they have Iran which produces literature of all kinds, in fact Irans academic output growth rate has exploded in recent decades and is almost on par with Chinas. This means that even if Farsiwans in Afghanistan dont work for their language, Iran does it for them anyways. Pashtuns dont have a corresponding source like Iran and in Pakistan, Pashto is arguably even in a worse position.

[AFG21]

Literature and in particular academic literature is an important factor when it comes to a languages influence. English is the dominant language of the world partly because of its abysmal scope of literature be that literature scientific, technological or of the arts. Historically this is partly the reason behind Englishs success; the industrial revolution, which started in and was mainly in intially an English speaking country, had an immediate impact on the English language, new technological development correlated with an expansion of technical lexicon in the English language and the papers on them were in English, this initially meant that if you wanted to learn about those developments, you had to learn English. Even today most scientific developments are described first in the English language.

Learning English gives you access to the most important scientific and technological knowledge, and that is a very powerful incentive.

With this framework, the problem is that Pashto is, relative to some of the neighbouring languages, an underdeveloped language, and denying this is detrimental to Pashto. Also we don’t even have a prevalent standard form; secondly and most importantly, the academic state of Pashto is relatively terrible.
If you want other people to learn Pashto you need to give them a real incentive to learn the language and at the moment, there is little incentive to learn Pashto. Farsi dominates as the prevalent language of academia, commerce and media. There are more incentives to learn Farsi than there are to learn Pashto hence naturally Farsiwans will not be inclined to learn Pashto and Pashtuns will be inclined to learn Farsi.

The fact that government documents are in Pashto is meaningless when Farsi dominates academia, commerce and media. It is the duty of Pashtuns to develop Pashto as a more competent language in academia primarily and also in commerce, media etc. Only when Pashto competes with Farsi as an academic language, as a language of commerce and media, i.e. only when there are real incentives to learn Pashto, will Farsiwan start learning Pashto and Pashtuns stop their inclinations to Farsi.
Farsiwan are very lucky they have Iran which produces literature of all kinds, in fact Irans academic output growth rate has exploded in recent decades and is almost on par with Chinas. This means that even if Farsiwans in Afghanistan dont work for their language, Iran does it for them anyways. Pashtuns dont have a corresponding source like Iran and in Pakistan, Pashto is arguably even in a worse position.

I totaly agree whith you, pashtuns them self are responcible for the current situation of pashtu language, pointing fingers at others will not help, but I think that pashtu is becoming now more significant in afghanistan because in Khost univercity and in Jalalabad univercity the college lessons are given in pashtu, so maybe one day pashtu will become more importent than farsi.

[یاسمینه]

When it comes to language learning there is also another important factor. Home, family and especially mothers. I think we underestimate their role in bringing up, teaching... If kids aren't taught Pashto at their homes, they won't understand its importance.
I would even generalize and say that changes in society starts from mothers, their attitudes and all values they teach their children.

Anyway, the problem of Pashto language is multidimensional.

[afgpower]

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[gadoonwal]

@scythian
yes i really agree with you. i was thinking the same about the influence of iran in the farsi language. the tadjiks are kinda lucky iran speaks the same languages as iran has all his poetry comerce etc in farsi. you can compare this with pashto in pakistan, where the pashtuns do ABSOLUTELY nothing to support their language(no hate), but thats the truth. it would be a big achievement if our brothers in pakistan gave pashto an official status also it would be good if they helped the pashto language more by bringing more newspapers,programmes etc. the only problem is i think is the pakistani gov. not helping them. i really think pakistani pashtuns should stand up because in pakistan the status of pashto is terrible. in afghanistan at least many people understand pashto and it has a official status.

so is it the pashtuns of pashtunkhwa forcing you to speak farsi?
what your kings did in for so long?
why did,nt they support pashtu?
pashtuns are about 18% to 22% of the total papulation in pakistan while you 65% of the total afghan papulation(it may not be the case now since many of them speak parsi).

i fully aggree with you on one point that they need to do more for pashtu.
It is taught in the govt schools in pashtunkhwa.

afghani pashtuns are more addicted to parsi then pashtu.
as soon as they learn ,,alef,,be,,the,,,the first thing will be to dump pashtu and speak parsi.
on the other side of durand many of us also mix urdu into pashtu like you do farsi to pashtu.
Its a shame pashtuns are proud of their ethnicity but not their holy language.
No one should get blame for it only pashtuns.

[Shayesta]

^ So when it comes to powerful history and honour, past leaders of Afghanistan become 'our' leaders, but when it comes to ditching of our language and culture they become 'your' leaders? You could ask this very same question yourself as well, what did our Pukhtoon leaders in the past do for Pukhto? And it's not about Pukhtoon population in entire of Pakistan, it's about the Pukhtoon population in Pakhtunkhwa. I remember finding even signs in Dari which were put on by Afghan Tajik refugees in Pekhawer, but I can't remember finding even one sign-board in Pukhto. You can argue 'yeah but Pakistani is not a Pukhtoon land', but it doesn't matter nor is that the point. Pakhtunkhwa is a Pukhtoon land and it will only help Pukhtoons of Pakhtunkhwa when it comes to increasing the importance of Pukhto in the region.

And as far as Afghan Pukhtoons are concerned, like every other Pakistani Pukhtoon even you are totally trapped into 'Persianized Pukhtoons' when it comes to Afghanistan. Today's Afghanistan has changed when it comes to Pukhto and it's a lie that Pukhtoons Persianize the second they speak Dari. You should know about the number of faculties in Kabul which split into Pukhto-Dari sectors because the Pukhtoon students felt they are not studying enough in Pukhto. In Southern Afghanistan I guarantee you that you won't even find one non-Pukhtoon Afghan not being able to speak Pukhto. Especially if you go to villages you will hear the type of Pukhto you never heard of before, which is the original Pukhto words in many phrases.

If you feel attacked when someone questions Pukhto's status in Pakhtunkhwa then fine, but that doesn't mean you should spread ill-information regarding Afghanistan of which you aren't aware at all.

[Leonine]

whats wrong with dari? it is a beautiful language...give it the credit that it deserves. besides, dari is a distinctly Afghan version of the language. Tajikistan has a different dialect and iran has another gay dialect. i am a mohmand and my mother language is dari and im proud

[یاسمینه]

Leonine, go to the first post in this thread. Pashto and Dari are both official languages of Afghaninstan, but reality is different - Dari is favored language.
Don't you think it's normal reaction that when one side is priviliged without a logicall reason, then the other side feels treated unfairly?