Isarel as a model state for Pashtuns, Arabs and Muslims

[tor_khan]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION]. Do you still hold this view?

Whilst I understand you look towards other models are you willing to accept that Israel is just another colonial legacy that has not always been conducive to regional peace and stability? Why would that be the mode to replicate? And when Pakistan and Israel share a common characteristic in being founded on the basis of religion, would a logical extension of that not be a greater Pakistan?

The technological, social and political advances in Israel have occurred, in part, because because of US political support and because Jews OUTSIDE Israel have rallied support and investment for Israel. Diaspora Pashtuns are not in a strong enough political or economic situation to do the same for their own.

[Badlun]

@Badlun. Do you still hold this view?

Whilst I understand you look towards other models are you willing to accept that Israel is just another colonial legacy that has not always been conducive to regional peace and stability? Why would that be the mode to replicate? And when Pakistan and Israel share a common characteristic in being founded on the basis of religion, would a logical extension of that not be a greater Pakistan?

The technological, social and political advances in Israel have occurred, in part, because because of US political support and because Jews OUTSIDE Israel have rallied support and investment for Israel. Diaspora Pashtuns are not in a strong enough political or economic situation to do the same for their own.

Colonial legacy should not be made limited only to European colonies. Arabs, Turks, Afghans also had their colonies . Many Sultans got indeoendence from the caliphs of those times.

Israel and Pakistan no doubt were founded on the name of religion but today both countries have left religion far behind. Both the countries are democracies and have modern educational and economic systems. Both are nuclear powers and have modern technology at their disposal. Pakistan had its dictatorial periods but now its on full democratic path. Only Pashtun parts of the country have influence of religious bigots.

Many countries received and are receiving US aid but Israel has utilized it in its optimum manner and that is why today Israel is the only developed country of the Middle East and the second one in Asia after Japan. It is the success of the foreign policy of Israel to have this much success with US and the world at large.

[ډګروال]

badlun is a total nutcase and has no shame.
he is like a donkey who closes his eyes and thinks that the world doesnt exist.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Basically what Badlun is saying everybody is a prostitute and America is the pimp. He is only saying that Israel is a better prostitute than others and therefore people should see Israel as a rolemodel.

[Mr. X]

i guess by test you mean taste..

basically what you are saying is that the enviornment makes you who you are...if this is true than you are nothing more than a passive sheep who does better to follow than to lead...and being a conformist with no brain of you are own...obviously you choose to follow Israel ...since after all canada and the US are allied to an apartheit state that breaks international laws and denies basic human rights and freedoms to its own citizens.

Since you are dull witted you cannot give a proper rebuttle to all the facts that catya has raised, you choose to attack her on her personal preference for residence. First of all, Mecca and Medina is not some hell hole where people live in fear ...like the dark ages of europe...infested with plague and corruption. Secondly, you can't get citizenship in Saudia Arabia...if SA did grant citizenship then even before catya sher...you would be first in line to apply for all it's obvious benefits...even if they were chopping the heads of atheists...you'd still go...thats a given. However...not even Israel gives citizenship to anyone unless they have jewish/israelie parents....so like wise catya can quip you and say ...'if you want a real test of secularism go live in haifa tel aviv for ur own sake'...but she won't say that to you ...because she lives in the real world ... you live in your fantasy world kiddo.

I fully concur with the sentiments posted by Alchemist. I think he deserves a chance.

[Mr. X]

Diaspora Pashtuns are not in a strong enough political or economic situation to do the same for their own.

Yes they can. In life nothing is impossible. But there is one problem my dear Tor Jaan. While Yahooda are one people, Pashtuns are hundreds of tribes who all hate each other and will kill each other any chance they get because of the vendetta culture.

I'm sorry to say this but there is no such a thing as one pashtun people, that is why its better to be an Afghan so we can all get along than being divided into these ethnic categories, which creates division and allows foreigners to molest us. I mean, RevelutionThroughReason is an Uzbak looking pashtun.

Just telling the truth, no diggidy no doubt, Peace yall. Mr. X signs out.