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  • #1

    Pashtunwali

    Assalam-Alalikum PF'ers.

    Pashto:

    Pa Pashtunwali bandey da Amrikyano Army yo so warekey noshta karey jhey. Da wos yaw so dekey dar makha ma da zaana sara churt wa wahey che dilta ya ba da taso tola sara share kama. Wos ma zmosh server ta dagha article upload key.

    ka dey zra ghwaray che dagha da Pashtunwali article owayey no dagha link click ka.

    www.Pashtunforums.com/Pashtunwali.pdf

    English:

    Hi everyone,
    I just finished reading this article written by the US Army about Pashtunwali. With that being said, I decided to upload it to our servers. Those respected members that are interesting in learning about Pashtunwali from a non-Pashtuns perspective feel free to click on the link below.

    http://www.pashtunforums.com/Pashtunwali.pdf
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620
    Tags: pashtoon, pashtoonwali, pashtun, pashtunwali
  • #2
    Did ministry of information and culture contribute to this? I would imagine so..
    The report was accurate up to most extend

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zarawar View Post
      Did ministry of information and culture contribute to this? I would imagine so..
      The report was accurate up to most extend
      Well, since it was written by the US Army I am confident that they must have contacted some authorities.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Thanks admina and here is what I would like to critisize.
        "Its principle purpose is to maintain a social “equilibrium” within the tribe,
        resolving and preventing disputes over items of relative scarcity within the region: “zar, zan and zamin” (gold, women and land)."

        This is a fiction created by Angreez since they were the first who tried to examine pashtunwali. In Pashto we say sheza for woman and zmaka (mzaka) for land. In pashtunwali this term zar, zan zamin is not known and not used. This was created by foreign travellers who tried to categorize reasons for conflicts. Zar, zan and zamin sounds just beatiful all together with those three ZZZs.

        "pashtunwali is made up of between three and six basic tenets, which in turn develop into a fairly complex interplay guiding the actions and normative behaviours of the code. These are: badal (revenge), ghayrat/nang (self-respect, chivalry or bravery), melmastia/nanawati (hospitality/asylum), purdah (gender separation), namus (pride or defence of honour) and jirga (council)"

        In pashtunwali there are more than 50 terms regarding moral values, virtues, ideals, organization of village and social life, behavior and role of every individuum, personal rights and duties, titles and names describing personal and collective status, regulations of land, water, wood and other ressources, conflicts and their resolutions, justice and legislative institutions etc.
        badal means exchange - revenge is not the only way to payback, theres also money, material ressources or marriage.
        ghayrat is honor and nang is more than that. nangyalai includes very noble characteristic of a man including chavalery, bravery, wisdom, fairness, sense of shame, self-abandonment, politeness, power, persistency etc.
        melmastya is the obligation to defend your guest even with your own life.
        nanawati is when someone who was banned from a village or a community coming back asking for forgiveness by doing nanawatel (coming inside).
        namus is feminine honor. a wife is namus to her husband, to a father or brother a girl that is not married is his namus until she gets married etc.

        Regards
        Darweshkhel

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Darweshkhel View Post
          Thanks admina and here is what I would like to critisize.
          "Its principle purpose is to maintain a social “equilibrium” within the tribe,
          resolving and preventing disputes over items of relative scarcity within the region: “zar, zan and zamin” (gold, women and land)."

          This is a fiction created by Angreez since they were the first who tried to examine pashtunwali. In Pashto we say sheza for woman and zmaka (mzaka) for land. In pashtunwali this term zar, zan zamin is not known and not used. This was created by foreign travellers who tried to categorize reasons for conflicts. Zar, zan and zamin sounds just beatiful all together with those three ZZZs.
          Do you mind carefully elaborating on the the bold part?
          Originally posted by Darweshkhel View Post
          "pashtunwali is made up of between three and six basic tenets, which in turn develop into a fairly complex interplay guiding the actions and normative behaviours of the code. These are: badal (revenge), ghayrat/nang (self-respect, chivalry or bravery), melmastia/nanawati (hospitality/asylum), purdah (gender separation), namus (pride or defence of honour) and jirga (council)"

          In pashtunwali there are more than 50 terms regarding moral values, virtues, ideals, organization of village and social life, behavior and role of every individuum, personal rights and duties, titles and names describing personal and collective status, regulations of land, water, wood and other ressources, conflicts and their resolutions, justice and legislative institutions etc.
          badal means exchange - revenge is not the only way to payback, theres also money, material ressources or marriage.
          ghayrat is honor and nang is more than that. nangyalai includes very noble characteristic of a man including chavalery, bravery, wisdom, fairness, sense of shame, self-abandonment, politeness, power, persistency etc.
          melmastya is the obligation to defend your guest even with your own life.
          nanawati is when someone who was banned from a village or a community coming back asking for forgiveness by doing nanawatel (coming inside).
          namus is feminine honor. a wife is namus to her husband, to a father or brother a girl that is not married is his namus until she gets married etc.

          Regards
          Darweshkhel
          I agree. I think we should create a thread that lists all our values. I believe the Americans attempted to summarize our rich culture into 12 pages so they decided to discuss some major aspects that they felt were vital and important for their staff[US ARMY].

          Sta post mey der kwash su, yawa "Manana" dey wagatala.
          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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          • #6
            Thank you for sharing... My opinion -it's kind of rubbish. First, it treats Pashtunwali superficially, second - the author has no idea what is writting about, especially in the chapter about Islam (later about it). Last thing -it's not true that Pashtunwali wasn't formally written down. I saw a book with Pashtunwali rules, issued in Afghanistan in 1953 "written" by Kiyam ud-Din Chadim. Then Muhammad Gul Chan Momand in Landakey au Pastenwala explained semantic field of the concept on Pashtunwali.
            (I could copy both of them in October, when I see again my Professor).

            Comparison of Pashto and Islam - very revealing. It would be simple enough to have knowledge of four major Sunni fiqh and that the Hanafi jurisprudence is dominant in Central Asia, and that it takes into account, apart from Book and Sunna, customary law, ex. Pashtunwali


            What could I add? That majority of Wester experts has no sufficient knowledge/ background to comment issues on other cultures, not only Pashtun culture.

            I know I seem to play a smart one. My knowledge is still very limiited. But I can't help that such pseudo-scientific papers drives me mad.
            دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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            • #7
              I'm sorry for some transcription errors. I will add the second part tomorrow.

              Pashtunwali shafaqat day
              Pashtunwali mehrebani da
              Pashtunwali marhamat day
              Pashtunwali miriwwat day
              Pashtunwali marwat day
              Pashtunwali palena da
              Pashtunwali asiltob day
              Pashtunwali naghat day
              Pashtunwali alighanabi da
              Pashtunwali izzat day
              Pashtunwali sawutob au badari da
              Pashtunwali sharafat day
              Pashtunwali tadbir day
              Pashtunwali fazilat day
              Pashtunwali pakwalay day
              Pashtunwali maziyat day
              Pashtunwali ghana da
              Pashtunwali zagham (takhammul ) day
              Pashtunwali isar day
              Pashtunwali ghekheltob day
              Pashtunwali rikhtia day
              Pashtunwalisadaqat day
              Pashtunwali shifa da
              Pashtunwali hand au kokhekh day
              Pashtunwali siyalwalay day
              Pashtunwali saber day
              Pashtunwali khawsila da
              Pashtunwali dua (dwa) da
              Pashtunwali dawa da
              Pashtunwali khaya da
              Pashtunwali khe niyat day
              Pashtunwali qanaat day
              Pashtunwali psol (zinat) day
              Pashtunwali ifat day
              Pashtunwali dad (itminam) day
              Pashtunwali panga (sarmaya) da
              Pashtunwali gata da
              Pashtunwali azadi da
              Pashtunwali quwat day
              Pashtunwali qut day
              Pashtunwali muqawamat day
              Pashtunwali iqtidar day
              Pashtunwali khakimiyat day
              Pashtunwali azamat day
              Pashtunwali shawkat day
              Pashtunwali nang day
              Pashtunwali hod day
              Pashtunwali matanat, sabat, au istiqamat day
              Pashtunwali khazm day
              Pashtunwali khilm day
              Pashtunwali tura day
              Pashtunwali turzantob day
              Pashtunwali narintob day
              Pashtunwali marana da
              Pashtunwali luft day
              Pashtunwali maana da
              دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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              • #8
                I did not see anything mentioned about "Tura." A weapon is very important to a Pashtun. From my understanding "Zar" is not as important as "Tura"(weapon). Disarming the Pashtun by force is itself an insult to a Pashtun's Ghyrat. That young man who attacked the Canadian soldier was probably disarmed by force in his own land by foreigners.

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                • #9
                  right. but again, as I said, it's very superficial paper. After 9/11 Western "experts" on Afghanistan mushroomed all over the world. I know only few professors - Orientalists who can comment Pashtunwali without talking rubbish.
                  دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                    Do you mind carefully elaborating on the the bold part?

                    I agree. I think we should create a thread that lists all our values. I believe the Americans attempted to summarize our rich culture into 12 pages so they decided to discuss some major aspects that they felt were vital and important for their staff[US ARMY].

                    Sta post mey der kwash su, yawa "Manana" dey wagatala.
                    'zar, zan, zamin' was taken from Persian poetry about Afghans, this has nothing to do with Pashtunwali. Gold or money plays absolutely no role in Pashtunwali. These words are not even Pashto. Its an alliteration created in Farsi poetry and some foreigner who wrote a book about Pashtuns used this term claiming that Pashtuns fight over these things.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      I did not see anything mentioned about "Tura." A weapon is very important to a Pashtun. From my understanding "Zar" is not as important as "Tura"(weapon). Disarming the Pashtun by force is itself an insult to a Pashtun's Ghyrat. That young man who attacked the Canadian soldier was probably disarmed by force in his own land by foreigners.
                      waye chay sanga khar maga shan wer :P...

                      da chay post kray da haga pa zka khuhsala da chay amrekay da


                      ao ZAR takay Za GUNAH ghunday washwa da QOOM sra...
                      .....


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