Discussion about Rumi (Split)

[شمله ور خراساني]

Rumi was gay. He wrote homo-erotic poetry. This is why intellectual gays in Europe love him so much.

The French Post-modernist Gay philosopher Foucault was Rumis big fan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^Take those words back. I will report you.

PLEASE EDIT YOUR POST...NOW...

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

One of the greatest poets of the Dari language.

[شمله ور خراساني]

[Mujib]

Mujib, who is Rumi?

Mawlana Muhammad Jalaluddin Rumi (ra), the great saint (wali) and scholar of Afghanistan. He is known in Afghanistan as Mawlana Balkhi, because he was born in Balkh.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar, will all due respect, please don't insult someone who loved the Quran so much.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Rumi is often cited as the most prolific gay Muslim author. Visit any decent library and you will find at least a dozen of books discussing Rumis homosexuality

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why is he the greatest poets? is his work in English too? Is he like the Rahman Baba of dari?

That website that our beloved Mujib posted has his work in English. I don't know much about Rahman Baba, but I have heard he is great. I would say that Rahman Baba is like Hafiz (ra). Hafiz (ra) is higher than Rumi (ra) in my eyes.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

He is misunderstood. His poetry has nothing to do with homosexuality or pedophilia. It has been taken out of context.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Ya but all poets go through that Phase. I know what your saying but lets appreciate his good side and his love for the Quran.

he translated ayat of quran or ahadith and used it in poetry to express his love for men.

Whats so good about him?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar Jana, my dearest and beloved brother, have you ever read this work?

[Mujib]

May Allah forgive us. We rely on the claims of non-Muslims to attack one of the great friends of Allah. Allah Most High declares war on those who are hostile to His Friends (awliya').

O Muslims, O Afghans, there is a campaign by certain enemies of Islam (some are within Islam) to separate Muslims from their great Islamic tradition and culture. These people's hearts are hardened and darkened. You will find no mercy, no beauty, no adab in their speech. They disparage our scholars, they disparage our people, and they even disparage our mothers and fathers. They claim that our scholars, our mothers and fathers, our watan, and the majority of the entire Umma of Islam are misguided and guilty of kufr and shirk. They use these charges as justification for their fighting and killing Muslims all over the world. They are those who attempt to reform and distort Islam.

Alhamdulillah, the great fortress of Islam is mighty and strong, and will stand, no matter the wishes of the foolish who attempt to tear it down and construct something made of toothpicks in its place.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Mawlana Muhammad Jalaluddin Rumi (ra), the great saint (wali) and scholar of Afghanistan. He is known in Afghanistan as Mawlana Balkhi, because he was born in Balkh.

Dont tell falsehood. Wali does not mean saint. Any Muslim who practices his religion and prays and obstains from the forbidden and seeks valid shari'i means to become closer to Allah is a Wali. This is how Wali is described in Quran.

Sainthood is an unIslamic concept.

Please read Ibn Taymiyyah's book The Criterion between awliya of allah and awliya of Shaytan.

How can a blatant homosexual be a Wali? Isn't a Wali someone who is a good Muslim? How can someone who is a transgressor be a Wali?

[Mujib]

How can someone who is a transgressor be a Wali?

If you truly cared to understand something you would not throw nonsense and insults around before asking a question. One asks about what one does not know; one does not just speak the first thing that comes to mind.

When will you understand this, brother? Do you not see that this style of speech and discussion gets you nowhere? Do you not see how it turns people away? The temptation to speak from low emotions is from Shaytan. Fight it. Hold your tongue. Speak with adab.

I have asked that your post be edited or deleted (I don't want you to think I was mentioning you behind your back). Not only have you attack one of the great scholars and saints of Islam, but you have attacked all of Afghanistan. You have attacked the parents of the Afghans on this forum by attacking a great scholar whom they love and revere. Do you claim our fathers and mothers and our elders read and love homosexual writings? Or do you claim they are stupid and cannot see what only you can see?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar Jana, what do you want from us? You are nullifying everything Islam stands on. Where is your limit? Please for Allah's sake examine yourself. Why are you on this rampage?

Our beloved Prophet (saw) visited a Jewish person who used to throw garbage on him on the thought that that Jewish person might be sick. He (saw) was right, that Jewish person was sick; and that Jewish person was shocked that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) on whom she used to throw garbage visited her and ask about her health.

Please acquire this path. Leave the rest to Allah. He is our Creator. Let Him deal with us. Don't play Allah, dear brother.

Hadhrat Rumi (ra) was a great Muslim. Don't tarnish his name without knowing him.