Books/Articles on Women in Pashtunwali & Islam's Role in it

[Master Khan]

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Khan, do you mean disrespect Pashtun women? Or British women?

Any females who are not covered up.
My mate always look at them and saids bad things (rude thinds), Thats why we pashtun like it when they are covered up.

[Roshina]

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Pashtun men love their wives, don't get it confused.

I'm not so sure about that, Shinwari There are good and bad among all peoples, and Pashtuns are no exceptions. I know of MANY Pukhtun men who mistreat their wives, insult them in public, don't appreciate their cooking and all, and constantly beat them. I know of non-Pukhtun men who do the same, including the beating and insulting part.

Besides, we have at least one member here who thinks that to beat a woman is to disrespect her, and another member who said he'll never beat his wife "too bad" (or something like that); when I asked the latter if he'd ever beat her at all, he said, "not too bad" and thought it was funny so laughed :o

My point? That not everyone thinks of respect in the same terms. That's why I was interested to know how these guys define respect.

I think if there's ANY beating or verbal insults involved, there's absolutely NO respect. Why beat the woman at all? What do you do with the man when he's "misbehaving"? Some claim that they beat their women "out of love"! Oh my! That's called sadism!

[Master Khan]

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Pashtun men love their wives, don't get it confused.

I'm not so sure about that, Shinwari There are good and bad among all peoples, and Pashtuns are no exceptions. I know of MANY Pukhtun men who mistreat their wives, insult them in public, don't appreciate their cooking and all, and constantly beat them. I know of non-Pukhtun men who do the same, including the beating and insulting part.

Besides, we have at least one member here who thinks that to beat a woman is to disrespect her, and another member who said he'll never beat his wife "too bad" (or something like that); when I asked the latter if he'd ever beat her at all, he said, "not too bad" and thought it was funny so laughed :o

My point? That not everyone thinks of respect in the same terms. That's why I was interested to know how these guys define respect.

I think if there's ANY beating or verbal insults involved, there's absolutely NO respect. Why beat the woman at all? What do you do with the man when he's "misbehaving"? Some claim that they beat their women "out of love"! Oh my! That's called sadism!

My wife is really sweet and innocent, I can't beat her.
But I would never hit her on the face, Its haraam

[Roshina]

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Thank you, WardakPrince and Gul Pari! It's an obligation (and a burden, I tell you!).
As they say, no one's gonna GIVE you your rights happily; you gotta GET them yourself.

Khan, do you mean disrespect Pashtun women? Or British women?

Any females who are not covered up.
My mate always look at them and saids bad things (rude thinds), Thats why we pashtun like it when they are covered up.

Yikes! Aren't you practically imposing your views of "modesty" on other people? I mean, why not respect everyone -- both men and women? What if they don't wanna cover up the way YOU believe they should be covered up, and they have other (their own) ways of being modest or respecting themselves?

See, this is what I hate about so many Muslim guys. I mean, thanks for being honest and all, but really, the real Muslim (or the real HUMAN) will respect ALL women, regardless of their race, color, creed, etc. When God tells men in the Quran to lower their gazes, He doesn't say, "Lower your gazes but only when you pass by women who are covered, not when you're around women who are NOT covered." Does He?

Really, I'm not agreeing with your view of respect. It's too superficial in my opinion and far too biased.

[shah nawaz]

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*Eats popcorn* untill Master Khan replies

[Roshina]

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^ So you would hit her elsewhere?

Yeah. And I also wanna know if he'd hit her if she weren't "sweet and innocent" 8-)

(Master Khana bro, we just wanna know, that's all. I mean, it's your business and all, and we understand that, but it's just ... I REALLY always am shocked when I meet a man who has no problem hitting a woman, whether a little or a lot, or thinks that hitting a woman can EVER be justified, you know?)

[Roshina]

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Qrratugai
This might be my 1st post, but that does not mean I haven't been paying attention. I wanted to take the time out to commend you for what you are doing, that is all.

Pa khair, Afghanlady! Welcome to the forum

Sincere thanks for your kind and supportive words But I must say, I'm not doing anything commendable at all -- though it's great to see that you think well of it!

Looking forward to your contribution as well!

[Roshina]

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You are doing a great job.

Thanks, unhiddentruth That's very generous of you to say!

[Roshina]

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I wana read what you have so far, when can Pashtunforums expect adraft

Sure -- but not yet. In a little while, when it's officially ready.

[Spina]

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^Let me know when its ready too.

[Roshina]

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^Let me know when its ready too.

Sure thing. I'll post it here on PF.

[truepashtun]

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^Let me know when its ready too.

Sure thing. I'll post it here on PF.

your getting me excited :mrgreen:

[Roshina]

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your getting me excited :mrgreen:

LOL! Don't be! It's nothing, I promise! Expect absolutely nothing good, for you WILL be disappointed if you do, lol.

[Roshina]

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Actually, guys, I don't think it'd be a good idea to post my final essay here. I'll find a way to make it accessible online in PDF later on, or just otherwise online, but in the meantime, here's an outline of what I have. If anyone thinks I'm missing some important points, please let me know.

Part 1: Define Pashtunwali and Islam. Give a precise and scholarly view of Pashtunwali as well as Islam. What do we mean by Islam?

Part 2: Islam’s influence on Pashtunwali
- elaborate the distinction between the sunnah related to Arab culture and the sunnah related to revelations to Prophet Muhammad
- areas where Islam influenced Pashtunwali:

• o beliefs
  o rituals
  o customs/traditions
  o social systems
  o economic system
  o political system

Part 3: The relative comparison of the merits and demerits of Pashtunwali and Islam
- comparison of what Islam offers and what Pashtunwali offers

Part 4: Contemporary state of Pashtun society
- can current circumstances be classified as either Islamic or Pashtun?

Part 5: Conclusions
- Suggestions/ Solutions/Proposals

[Zulmay]

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^Salam alaykum, why wnt it be a gud idea?