i am blind

[Baygham]

What does a blind person do with the shape of a color?
You are not only deaf, you lack common sense too. And you didn't tell me what blue looks like.

Depends on when one got blind and how blind one is.

Color does not exist in the sense of an experience in the lives of a blind person. That is it has no experiential existence. In addition he or she has no potential of ever developing such. In that sense the color blue only has verbal meaning and since it cannot be felt it is a pure verbal experience. This is true of a blind person who is blind from birth. Now if blindness occurred later in life, experiential memories have already developed and the verbal mention of color blue may evoke some of these in what ever context they were developed in the first place.

So if from birth a blind person is told that blue is a the color of a beautiful goddess, the color of happy blue sky, the color of mothers dress, the color of calm and happiness, the verbal mention of the color blue will evoke a calm happy emotional experience.

On the other hand if the memories and experience are otherwise than blue will become the color of melancholy and despair.

Interestingly one can lose the ability to see color. I once saw a person who could not see color (from a stroke) in only half his vision (which was black and white, the other half colored). This is called Achromatopsia. His experience of the color blue in the right side of the room is that of a blind person and in the left side of the room it is that of a regular person.

[IamDZJ]

if i am blind and a person tells me that the water or the color of the sky is blue, what m i supposed to do? go dig out the letters of the word "blue" out of my closet and start feeling the shape?
not very convenient, is it?

baygham explain it to me. i am blind it doesn't exist to me but to you it does. to the rest of the world it does. when you speak of it to the rest of your friends i want to have an idea of what you are talking about. tell me of this blue you speak of.

[Shamaar]

^ DZJ, if you are blind, there is no way for you to understand what the color blue looks like. I am sorry for your hypothetical loss.

[IamDZJ]

i don't believe you shamaar.

[Nora]

there was a lady she was blind she wished to see the colour of the sky, we were saying its blue but she didnt know what blue looked like

[Shamaar]

i don't believe you shamaar.

Denial is always the first step towards recovery of despair. I have faith in you.

[IamDZJ]

Denial is always the first step towards recovery of despair. I have faith in you.

(holds a mirror in front of you so you can stare at your own reflection while you speak)

prepare to be disappointed then.

[Fahd]

blue Symbolizes the purity and serenity
and the Blue gives complete comfort and self-giving it a calm and quiet
so what gives u that it's blue hahahahhahaha
u can feel the blue mybe also by feeling air in the summer

isn't that gona help u !!
like laso blue is when u happy lol and feel cold :P
red is feel hot things

am i right
or im confused hahah ??

[IamDZJ]

cold? okay, i understand cold.

[Shamaar]

(holds a mirror in front of you so you can stare at your own reflection while you speak)

prepare to be disappointed then.

I like your style. Disappoint me soon.

[Baygham]

if i am blind and a person tells me that the water or the color of the sky is blue, what m i supposed to do? go dig out the letters of the word "blue" out of my closet and start feeling the shape?
not very convenient, is it?....................

Well you will do something, that is try to experience the verbal word "blue" and its presented explanation and try to formulate a meaning in your brain, the same way if someone tried to explain something one has never seen to a person with normal vision.

This experience will have nothing to do with the majority's experience of seeing the color blue. A blind person is incapable of such. Just like we are incapable of breathing under water and can never experience how a fish feels when it extracts oxygen out of water.

...............baygham explain it to me. i am blind it doesn't exist to me but to you it does. to the rest of the world it does. when you speak of it to the rest of your friends i want to have an idea of what you are talking about. tell me of this blue you speak of.

as I explained you can form your opinion of blue, just like I can form an opinion of how it is to extract oxygen out of water by a fish, but that has nothing to do with the experience of using gills by a fish. The only thing you as a blind person can do is form a semantic experience of the verbal "blue".

And this semantic experience of the pure verbal "blue" by a person blind from birth, will be very different from the semantic experience of verbal "blue" by a person who can see, or from a person who is blind but was able to see previously. In the latter cases the experience will be not pure, but part semantic with activation of the visual memory of blue as well.

[tor_khan]

I used to do this poem with my class of 8 year olds by way of teaching them about empathy and adjectives in poetry. In our version we called it "Red is like a trumpet sound".

I ASKED THE LITTLE BOY WHO CANNOT SEE

I asked the little boy who cannot see,
"And what is colour like?"
"Why, green," said he,
"Is like the rustle when the wind blows through
The forest; running water, that is blue;
And red is like a trumpet sound; and pink
Is like the smell of roses; and I think
That purple must be like a thunderstorm;
And yellow is like something soft and warm;
And white is a pleasant stillness when you lie
And dream."
ANON

[IamDZJ]

yeah tor khan, they told me i was blind and that i could never see blue. who is the blind one now?

i don't think any of you have seen blue yet.

[tor_khan]

^Ah hah! I used to use the poem as an exercise to get children to brainstorm colours and abstract associations. In the re-writes of the poem, we would get to describe, black, brown and blue etc. I can't give you an example of a re-written poem with the other colours in, because I don't have them to hand, but if it helps, then let me tell you that I am colour blind. Given those qualifications, apart from the fact that I'm unlikely to get a pilot's license, I have never seen some colours.

Nothing lost, I guess and all the more reason to appreciate the colours I can see.

[Baygham]

yeah tor khan, they told me i was blind and that i could never see blue. who is the blind one now?

i don't think any of you have seen blue yet.

http://www.colblindor.com/2006/05/08...lor-blindness/

so you have tritanopia?,

From your posts it appears you are just pulling our leg sometimes. In case it is tritanopia that can be aquired or genetic (since birth). It is not a very disabling condition and usually effects one in 10000 since birth. It can be aquired as well.
Does it hinder you in anything? apart from typing in blue which to you is probably more greenish. Actually the pure green will appear light blue to you, so there you have it, what is kind of green to us is light bluish to you but dark blue is kinda green.

Now you could have an aquired form or a less dense genetic. In any case tritanopia is not usually a big deal, unless offcourse you are in color photography or painting