لوي اَخترمومُبارک شه

[gadoonwal]

لوي اَخترمومُبارک شه خُدائ دِ اُوکۍ چي دا لوي اَختر زمونږ ستاسو په ژوند کښي دَ خوشالو زيري راوړې.اَمېن

[Badlun]

sta de hum umkarak shi kho nan saba ghwakhey akhtar dey, hagha da khoshalo meley , bazaruna, lobey, atanuna, har mulano pa abassen lahoo krhal
mula darta oss da barhey garhey ijazat hum na darkawi
pakhtun watan da akhtar pa wraz laka qabristan addeera wi

[jankhan]

Akhtar kho raghalay na dai ...

[gadoonwal]

sta de hum umkarak shi kho nan saba ghwakhey akhtar dey, hagha da khoshalo meley , bazaruna, lobey, atanuna, har mulano pa abassen lahoo krhal
mula darta oss da barhey garhey ijazat hum na darkawi
pakhtun watan da akhtar pa wraz laka qabristan addeera wi

nu bya ilaaj ye sa day?
mong pe poha kra badlun sb.
aya pukhtana khpala sa kawey?
chi mula tha ye har ikhtyaar warkro nu byaa kho ba haga khpala khwaha kawey.

[Badlun]

nu bya ilaaj ye sa day?
mong pe poha kra badlun sb.
aya pukhtana khpala sa kawey?
chi mula tha ye har ikhtyaar warkro nu byaa kho ba haga khpala khwaha kawey.

Mulla kar jumat ke dey
Mulla bya jumat ta boza
da hujrey bazar aw jargey na ye ubasa
hum dagha ilaj dey zama wrora
Pashtano la pakar da che by hujra aw jumat byal krhi ,,,daghey ta secualrism wayee

[gadoonwal]

Mulla kar jumat ke dey
Mulla bya jumat ta boza
da hujrey bazar aw jargey na ye ubasa
hum dagha ilaj dey zama wrora
Pashtano la pakar da che by hujra aw jumat byal krhi ,,,daghey ta secualrism wayee

khabara de sama da kho wos da mulyano asar pa har kor ki leday shey.
madrasay joregi aw shtamand pukhtaana pakay chanday warkawey.
Arabyaano dalta khpal dokaanona khlaas karey dey.
All of the above pakistani agencies are funding the mullas and extremists to brainwash pashtuns.
Pashtuns too are fully responssible for this mess.
More and more pashtuns are going to raiwand.
Mulla-ism is spreading faster and faster.
They baned music and pashtun culture is un-islamic for them but these sell out mullas never say a word against the un-islamic culture of punjab.
This is systematic discrimination against pashtun.
It is part of the big game now.
Some big powers wants to stay in this region and they need these extremists to play their game and stay in the region.
Pashtuns can be use and hired.

At present the secular type pashtun are leaving pashtunland and moving to other parts of the country.
Pockets of pashtun culture still there but that will be replaced by wahabism.
Bollywood and indic culture also have strong influence in pashtun society.

Our great culture and way of life is dream now.
This need revolution.
Mulla,s influence must not cross to hujra.

[Badlun]

khabara de sama da kho wos da mulyano asar pa har kor ki leday shey.
madrasay joregi aw shtamand pukhtaana pakay chanday warkawey.
Arabyaano dalta khpal dokaanona khlaas karey dey.
All of the above pakistani agencies are funding the mullas and extremists to brainwash pashtuns.
Pashtuns too are fully responssible for this mess.
More and more pashtuns are going to raiwand.
Mulla-ism is spreading faster and faster.
They baned music and pashtun culture is un-islamic for them but these sell out mullas never say a word against the un-islamic culture of punjab.
This is systematic discrimination against pashtun.
It is part of the big game now.
Some big powers wants to stay in this region and they need these extremists to play their game and stay in the region.
Pashtuns can be use and hired.

At present the secular type pashtun are leaving pashtunland and moving to other parts of the country.
Pockets of pashtun culture still there but that will be replaced by wahabism.
Bollywood and indic culture also have strong influence in pashtun society.

Our great culture and way of life is dream now.
This need revolution.
Mulla,s influence must not cross to hujra.

Yes for practical purposes, identify the real enemy, the end user. The real enemy is Mullah and Islamist. If we do not have Mullah then no body can use us. They will have no source in the form of Mullah to radicalize PAshtuns. No Mullah, no Tableeghis, no Islamist, consequently no agencies , no punjabis and pristine PAshtun culture will be saved from the ugliness of Islamism. Target mullahs not others if you believe in pragmatism.

[jankhan]

Yes for practical purposes, identify the real enemy, the end user. The real enemy is Mullah and Islamist. If we do not have Mullah then no body can use us. They will have no source in the form of Mullah to radicalize PAshtuns. No Mullah, no Tableeghis, no Islamist, consequently no agencies , no punjabis and pristine PAshtun culture will be saved from the ugliness of Islamism. Target mullahs not others if you believe in pragmatism.

Badlun, mullah is not the problem.
It is but the agencies who use different groups of people for their interests. When agencies want it, there is terrorism, when agencies don't want it their is no terrorism. Paki ISI is the root cause of the problem.

[ghumbasa]

Yes for practical purposes, identify the real enemy, the end user. The real enemy is Mullah and Islamist. If we do not have Mullah then no body can use us. They will have no source in the form of Mullah to radicalize PAshtuns. No Mullah, no Tableeghis, no Islamist, consequently no agencies , no punjabis and pristine PAshtun culture will be saved from the ugliness of Islamism. Target mullahs not others if you believe in pragmatism.

By islamism what do you mean? Islam is not ugly...neither does it bring the problems you are quoting.Islam is perfect ...muslims are not.Just like science...it depends on how what your intentions are.

i do blame outsiders a bit...but political and religious awareness is as much needed in pashtun community as it is in outside world...or you ll end up accepting christianity like evangelicals are active in these days in afg even...or secularism will seep in ..means to compromise your deen.

Pakhtunwali is very much similar to islamic laws...its just that outsiders tell you pakhtunwali is seclaurism...you accept it blindly.
You really wanna do something...raise the awareness among pashtuns (religious as well as political)...economically pashtuns are already tough they can survive in any enviroment...i ve seen them.Pashtuns need to be alert not to be used as proxies in wars...just like kurds are used...or arabs themselves are used ...No nation is spared by hungry govts...Blame gsme is easy.

[Badlun]

By islamism what do you mean? Islam is not ugly...neither does it bring the problems you are quoting.Islam is perfect ...muslims are not.Just like science...it depends on how what your intentions are.

i do blame outsiders a bit...but political and religious awareness is as much needed in pashtun community as it is in outside world...or you ll end up accepting christianity like evangelicals are active in these days in afg even...or secularism will seep in ..means to compromise your deen.

Pakhtunwali is very much similar to islamic laws...its just that outsiders tell you pakhtunwali is seclaurism...you accept it blindly.
You really wanna do something...raise the awareness among pashtuns (religious as well as political)...economically pashtuns are already tough they can survive in any enviroment...i ve seen them.Pashtuns need to be alert not to be used as proxies in wars...just like kurds are used...or arabs themselves are used ...No nation is spared by hungry govts...Blame gsme is easy.

Islamism is Islam+politics, culture, economy. science, society, law etc.

Islam is beliefs+modes of worship+ morality

If you mix other aspects of life like Arab culture(dress, beards, turbans, caps, desert simplicity, no art, no music, no dance, no poetry etc), or you mix Arab dictatorial politics, caliphate etc or trying having economy without interest, or Sharia as a legal system then it becomes Islamism.

Pashtunwali is our cultural and social code. This is not religion as religion is more metaphysical beliefs and different ways to worship deities. This is the crux of the problem that Muslims mix religion with other aspects of life and then we get monsters like Taliban, IS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc.

[ghumbasa]

Islamism is Islam+politics, culture, economy. science, society, law etc.

Islam is beliefs+modes of worship+ morality

If you mix other aspects of life like Arab culture(dress, beards, turbans, caps, desert simplicity, no art, no music, no dance, no poetry etc), or you mix Arab dictatorial politics, caliphate etc or trying having economy without interest, or Sharia as a legal system then it becomes Islamism.

Pashtunwali is our cultural and social code. This is not religion as religion is more metaphysical beliefs and different ways to worship deities. This is the crux of the problem that Muslims mix religion with other aspects of life and then we get monsters like Taliban, IS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc.

The term islamism is given by west...You are trying to paint islam with ibadah only...Todays culture of every nation at one point of time were their religious beliefs...they didnt come out of thin air...Same goes for pashtunwali...this is another topic though....But my issue is the watered down version of islam you are calling as islam...Islam is complete code of life that includes society in every aspect including governance via sharia...though there is no such concept of politics rather shura system...by righteous people.But even they ll be held accountable for their sins or crimes if it comes to punishment in islam....so its not like religion is not to run a state but pray and hide.This is misconception.

Various groups or secularism is not what islam is.Islam is not extremism on both ends...rather its a moderate way of life where ibadah and governance hold as much importance as any other aspect of society like economics,crime and punishment regulation...

[gadoonwal]

Yes for practical purposes, identify the real enemy, the end user. The real enemy is Mullah and Islamist. If we do not have Mullah then no body can use us. They will have no source in the form of Mullah to radicalize PAshtuns. No Mullah, no Tableeghis, no Islamist, consequently no agencies , no punjabis and pristine PAshtun culture will be saved from the ugliness of Islamism. Target mullahs not others if you believe in pragmatism.

I hold pakistani agencies more responssible then mullas.
Pashtuns lived simple lives before.They are muslims and i see no problem with that .
The problem is extremism and arabization of pashtun society.

As long as we are part of islamic republic of pakistan mulla-ism will spread more and more.
Extremist and mulla- pashtun serve the interest of pakistani state.
They need these type of pashtun.
whoever want change for pashtun and pashtun values will be killed in this country.


The good old days of early 80s and before are gone.
We are wahabis today.

i see no future for pashtun in lahori-islamic republic of punjabistan.

[Badlun]

The term islamism is given by west...You are trying to paint islam with ibadah only...Todays culture of every nation at one point of time were their religious beliefs...they didnt come out of thin air...Same goes for pashtunwali...this is another topic though....But my issue is the watered down version of islam you are calling as islam...Islam is complete code of life that includes society in every aspect including governance via sharia...though there is no such concept of politics rather shura system...by righteous people.But even they ll be held accountable for their sins or crimes if it comes to punishment in islam....so its not like religion is not to run a state but pray and hide.This is misconception.

Various groups or secularism is not what islam is.Islam is not extremism on both ends...rather its a moderate way of life where ibadah and governance hold as much importance as any other aspect of society like economics,crime and punishment regulation...

If Islam is a complete code of life(called Islamism in other words), then Pashtunwali, other local cultures, Philosophy, Sociology, Natural Sciences, democracy, human rights, market economy, socialism, communism, capitalism, modern secular education etc cannot exist because Islam give you every thing. This is the belief of all Islamists like Taliban, Al Qaeda, IS, Wahabis, Tableeghis, Salafis etc.

[ghumbasa]

If Islam is a complete code of life(called Islamism in other words), then Pashtunwali, other local cultures, Philosophy, Sociology, Natural Sciences, democracy, human rights, market economy, socialism, communism, capitalism, modern secular education etc cannot exist because Islam give you every thing. This is the belief of all Islamists like Taliban, Al Qaeda, IS, Wahabis, Tableeghis, Salafis etc.

According to you every muslim is terrorist by analysing yur posts...And pukhtnwali is much closer to islam thqn those useless systems you are describing....Besides relating a cmplete code f life of islam t varios grups shows you ve no knowledge f basic islamic teaching rather you are taking western media as your sources...Islam i notcult to be related to a group or some lashkars beig used by empires as their proxies.

[ghumbasa]

I hold pakistani agencies more responssible then mullas.
Pashtuns lived simple lives before.They are muslims and i see no problem with that .
The problem is extremism and arabization of pashtun society.

As long as we are part of islamic republic of pakistan mulla-ism will spread more and more.
Extremist and mulla- pashtun serve the interest of pakistani state.
They need these type of pashtun.
whoever want change for pashtun and pashtun values will be killed in this country.


The good old days of early 80s and before are gone.
We are wahabis today.

i see no future for pashtun in lahori-islamic republic of punjabistan.

Pashtuns today have no friends or well wishers to be honest...and thats a harsh reality the sooner they realse the better.We shouldnt rely on others....but need to create awareness that our people shouldnt beused by any empire....be it pakistan,india,iran or usa....The propaganda and proxy war is on since 1979...till this day.But inshAllah within few years it ll be finished ...people ll be divided into 2...one sincere ,other hypocrites.