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**gadoonwal** · 12-08-2013, 02:26 AM

very interesting and right information.
The word afghan is not our real name.
It was used in the mugal court for the people of that region.
I posted a similar thread here about the name afghan and many of our members opposed it but now this is another example of the word afghan.
Herodotus a greek historain called us pakhteen or pakteen not afghan.
Both in afghanistan and pashtunkhwa pashtuns use the word pashtun in daily life not afghan.
Alama habibi was great scholer of his time.
I do,nt understand why the afghan-pashtun give up their true name pashtun and adopted farsiwan type name afghan.
The great ahmad shah abdali called his country pashtunkhwa,,,,,,,
da dehli khukali taht herawom chi rapayad shey
da khpal khukali pakhtunkhwa dA ghra sarona.

Those who think afghan mean pashtun and afghanistan mean pashtunistan then change the name of afghanistan to pashtunistan and see the reaction of tajiks,uzbiks and azaras.
Afghan is regional name for all the people living in that area called afghanistan.
It is not an ethnic name.

**ډګروال** · 12-08-2013, 03:39 PM

its great

jahils from qawmi pathan party or their punjabi masters should stop their attempts to promote hatred among Afghans.

Afghanistan is a land of Pashtuns and all the other ethnicities living there.
fascists pakis such as kadoowala want us to kill non Pashtuns and them
kill us in a fascist ethnic war or drive they out of the country for this fascists
sake.

Afghanistan land of great heros like Khushal Khan khattak not somw qawmi jahil party members.

"Da Afghan Pa nang mai watarala toora,
nangyalai da zamanai Khushal Khattak Yam"
(trans.: "I have taken up the sword to defend the pride of the Afghan,
I am Khushal Khattak, the honorable man of the age.")[8]Allama Muhammad
Iqbal called Khushal the Hakeem and Tabeeb (physician) of Afghan Millat
and Afghan Shanas. Maj: Roverty and certain other orientalists say that
Khushal was not only Afghan Shanas but like Goethe and Shakespeare
he was also a great Insan- Shanas (one who knows man) Iqbal expressed
his desire that if he knew Pashto he would have translated Khushal’s
poetry into Urdu or Persian.Khushal was a practical man. He manifested
all those qualities in his living conduct which he wanted to see in a man.
Allama Muhammad Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan, said about Khushal:
That Afghan shanas (Khushal Khan Khattak) said well,

He expressed what he saw save any hesitation.
He was the Hakeem (Philosopher) of Afghan nation.
He was the physician of Afghan cause.
He stated the secrets of nation boldly.
He was rendering and said the right very wisely.
[citation needed]
At another place he commends Khushal in these words:
I am tribal and am lost in the unity of nation.
To elevate the name of Afghans
I love these young people who puts the halter on stars
This son of mountains is never less than the Mughals
O’companion! May I tell you the secrets of my heart?
Khushal Khan likes that grave where the dust of Mughal’s horse’s boots could not fall.

**Badlun** · 12-08-2013, 11:26 PM

Very interesting article. Dr. Najeeb has rightly pointed out that Afghan does not mean Pashtun. But I am confused how great Khushal Baba equated Pashtun and Afghan!

It is important that this conundrum of Afghan and Pashtun must e decided once and for all by Afghan leaders. Either the constitution of Afghanistan may be amended and the citizen nomenclature may e changed from Afghan to Afghanistani or a Loya Jirga may decide it once and for all that every citizen of Afghanistan is Afghan and only Pashtun is not Afghan.

This way Afghanistan will have no tension amongst its ethnic groups and the pure identity if Pashtun may be preserved otherwise the term Afghan will engulf Pashtun identity. As non Pashtuns will be called Afghans and people will forget who is Pashtun.

This is already happening in Afghanistan. You cannot talk of Pashtun nationalism. If you talk of pure Pashtun nationalism people consider it against Afghan unity. They prefer to talk of Afghan not Pashtun.

**gadoonwal** · 12-09-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by ډګروال View Post

its great

jahils from qawmi pathan party or their punjabi masters should stop their attempts to promote hatred among Afghans.

Afghanistan is a land of Pashtuns and all the other ethnicities living there.
fascists pakis such as kadoowala want us to kill non Pashtuns and them
kill us in a fascist ethnic war or drive they out of the country for this fascists
sake.

Afghanistan land of great heros like Khushal Khan khattak not somw qawmi jahil party members.

"Da Afghan Pa nang mai watarala toora,
nangyalai da zamanai Khushal Khattak Yam"
(trans.: "I have taken up the sword to defend the pride of the Afghan,
I am Khushal Khattak, the honorable man of the age.")[8]Allama Muhammad
Iqbal called Khushal the Hakeem and Tabeeb (physician) of Afghan Millat
and Afghan Shanas. Maj: Roverty and certain other orientalists say that
Khushal was not only Afghan Shanas but like Goethe and Shakespeare
he was also a great Insan- Shanas (one who knows man) Iqbal expressed
his desire that if he knew Pashto he would have translated Khushal’s
poetry into Urdu or Persian.Khushal was a practical man. He manifested
all those qualities in his living conduct which he wanted to see in a man.
Allama Muhammad Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan, said about Khushal:
That Afghan shanas (Khushal Khan Khattak) said well,

He expressed what he saw save any hesitation.
He was the Hakeem (Philosopher) of Afghan nation.
He was the physician of Afghan cause.
He stated the secrets of nation boldly.
He was rendering and said the right very wisely.
[citation needed]
At another place he commends Khushal in these words:
I am tribal and am lost in the unity of nation.
To elevate the name of Afghans
I love these young people who puts the halter on stars
This son of mountains is never less than the Mughals
O’companion! May I tell you the secrets of my heart?
Khushal Khan likes that grave where the dust of Mughal’s horse’s boots could not fall.

sto bs,mr kabarwal irani.
Mr afshari,
barakzai sb is from afghanistan not pakistan so you dumped parsighol talking from your back.
Aalama habibi from afghanistan said the samething.
Pashtuns are not afghan.
Afghan is farsipobic name of pashtuns and tajiks living in that region.
You kabalay khar have no brain to think so better you stay in your cave.
You are fully brainwashed child of iranizad kabalay who can ,nt even speak his native language.The farsiwans and iranians rule your minds and that made you more iranizad then pashtun.
Mr parsighol........
If you can read pashtu then read it again what barakzai sb wrote.
khushal khan used both pashtun and afghan but he was born in mugal era so it was not surprising to use the term afghan.
The word afghan was used by outsiders not the local pashtuns.
Do,nt follow your iranian plaran follow your pashtun plar parsighula.
I read dozens of books of pashtun historains and most of them said we are pashtuns.Afghan can be anyone from afghanistan including pashtuns.
Pashtuns adopted this name lately for political reason.
One last question persio,,,,,,,
if afghanistan mean pashtunistan then why not change it?
can you?
Change it and you will see the reaction of punjsheris and others.
They will kick you out of afghanistan khara and you will run to us like looser kabalay.

**gadoonwal** · 12-09-2013, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Badlun View Post

Very interesting article. Dr. Najeeb has rightly pointed out that Afghan does not mean Pashtun. But I am confused how great Khushal Baba equated Pashtun and Afghan!

It is important that this conundrum of Afghan and Pashtun must e decided once and for all by Afghan leaders. Either the constitution of Afghanistan may be amended and the citizen nomenclature may e changed from Afghan to Afghanistani or a Loya Jirga may decide it once and for all that every citizen of Afghanistan is Afghan and only Pashtun is not Afghan.

This way Afghanistan will have no tension amongst its ethnic groups and the pure identity if Pashtun may be preserved otherwise the term Afghan will engulf Pashtun identity. As non Pashtuns will be called Afghans and people will forget who is Pashtun.

This is already happening in Afghanistan. You cannot talk of Pashtun nationalism. If you talk of pure Pashtun nationalism people consider it against Afghan unity. They prefer to talk of Afghan not Pashtun.

badlun sb
Alama habibi,bahadar shah zafar and many more pashtun historain are agree on this point that afghan is not our real name.This sound more farsi then pashtu.
Dr kabir storay supported loy pashtunkhwa why?
He was afghani -pashtun then why he said this?
khushal baba was born in mugal ers so it was not surprising he use the term afghan.
The name afghan was used by outsiders like arabs,persains and mugals.
The pashtuns and tajiks are both afghans cus both living in same region.
It is a regional name not ethnic name.
This name was used for political purposes.
sulaimani,pathan,afghan are the names used by outsiders for pashtuns .
If afghan mean pashtun then let the kabali-pashtun change this to pashtunistan and you will see the reaction.

**ډګروال** · 12-09-2013, 03:17 PM