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    Peking Man' older than thought


    By Paul Rincon
    Science reporter, BBC News


    Original Peking Man fossils were lost in World War II

    Iconic ancient human fossils from China are 200,000 years older than had previously been thought, a study shows.
    The new dating analysis suggests the "Peking Man" fossils, unearthed in the caves of Zhoukoudian are some 750,000 years old.
    The discovery should help define a more accurate timeline for early humans arriving in North-East Asia.
    A US-Chinese team of researchers has published its findings in the prestigious journal Nature.
    The cave system of Zhoukoudian, near Beijing, is one of the most important Palaeolithic sites in the world.
    Between 1921 and 1966, archaeologists working at the site unearthed tens of thousands of stone tools and hundreds of fragmentary remains from about 40 early humans.
    Palaeontologists later assigned these members of the human lineage to the species Homo erectus.
    The pre-war Peking Man fossils vanished in 1941 whilst being transported to the US for safekeeping. Luckily, the palaeontologist Franz Weidenreich had made casts for researchers to study.
    Experts have tried various methods over the years to determine the age of the remains. But they have been hampered by the lack of suitable techniques for dating cave deposits such as those at Zhoukoudian.
    Open habitats
    Now, Guanjun Shen, from Nanjing Normal University in China, and colleagues have applied a relatively new method to the problem.
    This method is based on the radioactive decay of unstable forms, or isotopes, of the elements aluminium and beryllium in quartz grains. This enabled them to get a more precise age for the fossils.
    The Zhoukoudian caves have yielded many fossils of Homo erectus

    The results show the Peking Man fossils came from ground layers that were 680,000-780,000 years old, making them about 200,000 years older than had previously been believed.
    Comparisons with other sites show that Homo erectus survived successive warm and cold periods in northern Asia.
    Researchers Russell Ciochon and E Arthur Bettis III, from the University of Iowa, US, believe these climatic cycles may have caused the expansion of open habitats, such as grasslands and steppe. These environments would have been rich in mammals that could have been hunted or scavenged by early humans.
    Recent revised dates for other hominid occupation sites in North-East Asia show that human habitation of the region began about 1.3 million years ago. The Nature study forms an important addition to this work.
    The Peking Man fossils are a vital component of the Out of Africa 1 migration theory, which proposes that Homo erectus first appeared in Africa around two million years ago before spreading north and east (modern humans, Homo sapiens, would follow much later and supplant all other Homo species).
    Evidence of the first dispersal comes from the site of Dmanisi in Georgia, where numerous hominid fossils dating to 1.75 million years ago have been unearthed. Finds from Java suggest early humans reached South-East Asia by 1.6 million years ago.
    Homo floresiensis survived on Flores until 12,000 years ago

    The northern populations represented at Zhoukoudian were probably separated from southern populations represented on the island of Java by a zone of sub-tropical forest inhabited by the giant panda, orangutans, gibbons and a giant ape called Gigantopithecus.
    These early humans may have survived in island South-East Asia until 50,000 years ago.
    Recent discoveries suggest that on the Indonesian island of Flores, Homo erectus, or another early human species, became isolated and evolved into a dwarf species called Homo floresiensis, nicknamed "The Hobbit".
    It is not clear whether H. erectus ever reached Europe; the earliest European fossils have been assigned to the species Homo antecessor. But this classification is disputed, and some researchers believe the Spanish antecessor fossils do indeed belong with H. erectus.

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    These are monkey skulls being dug up and paraded as humans to challenge our faith. Most of them are complete fabrications. Carbon-dating is not a science. In fact, it doesn't even work. There's no evidence for it.

    Where is our rampaging Christian literalist? Al-chemist? Come and shed some light on this Darwinist Nazi ideology that's destroying out faith. Get us some sources from Answers in Genesis and show us the true path.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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    • #3
      he transformed into the douche bag Kaish ....read my evolution thread, he even tried proving me wrong by using some mythologized Bible-based human geneology heh.

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      • #4
        I am kaish?

        look how stupid you are to even consider such a conspiracy theory. then you call your self a man of "science" and "rationalism" when all you do is speculate and conjecture. Get a life bro...a real one.

        You are the douche bag because your whole argument in that "evolution" thread was based on the premise that you have a degree therefore you can't be wrong. I already showed every single one of your premise to be wrong and half-truths at best but you refuse to believe me because you think I don't have a degree...even though I am more qualified than you are on this subject.

        Even now this news article doesn't give definitive proof per say but only speculates on the age based on the layer of sand in which the bones were allegedly found. Note that the original pekingman doesn't even exist..and it was no more than a few pieces of bones. Remember Java man? Piltdown man? Fakes! Hoaxes...we can't know how real pekingman was when his original bones don't even exist!

        You two idiots are willing to believe such a mythical fairy tale based on such shady evidence...then come here and mock others for believing in A Creator who can will anything He wants to. This isn't science...I already showed you buffoons how turkana boy (another homo erectus with a full sample) does not morphologically (anatomically to be precise) differ much from modern skeletons. They are at best another race of people no different than you. I already showed you the evidence that up 700,000 years ago people were building boats and sailing the seas...but you are so stupid you think they were a different species of "adam" that were prototypes of your more perfected self. Hubris! As time passes by more controversy arises from this theory as researches argue it's axioms - such as the belief that skull sizes evolved from small to large as culture became more sophisticated...now I don't know what this news proves you two moron that you are calling me out here for?

        Can't teach an old dog new tricks...believe what you want to. Makes no difference if you believe in Evolution or not..not to me. But ****mitarsexedge aka the masturbating monkey... you've lost the way. This is as far as you can go and I don't expect much else from you except such theatrics and intellectual posturing and even lies...I had to take pictures from published journal articles and in your delusional mind they turned into bible pages....not surprised.
        Last edited by Alchemist; 07-29-2011, 08:27 AM.

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        • #5
          I was poking fun of how Kaish has taken the torch of your asinine Christian Creationist dogma ...no need for a 6 page Hissy Fit no one will read

          just go back to running your Subway Sandwich Shop.

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          • #6
            levanay is commenting on my wall that this thread needs my attention ...lol

            you guys must be really bored...

            So ****mitarsexedge ...explain to everyone here how anything I have said here is Christain? Am I christain? Did I quote the bible? Did anyone? No? Then who is asinine then? You, right? What is Creationism?

            "Creationism is the religious belief[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being. "

            You mock me for believing in Creationism? And you call your self a "muslim"? Who is asinine? Me or you?

            Is levaney a Muslim? No. Is Kaish? Yes. Whose side are you on? That is right, on the atheists side. Why? Because you are an "Agnostic Theist"...making asinine arguments that begin with shady "scientific" ASSUMPTIONS and end in esoteric and metaphysical nonsense that you don't even understand...then you have the audacity to call me out? Beach...please. Let me explain this to you a language that is more palpable to your thick skull.

            You don't believe in evolution based on it's rational or science but because of your emotions. From an evolutionary perspective humans are driven by two motivating forces- survival and reproduction. Your coming here is driven by a need for reproduction, which is why your failed advances has already won you the title of "pervert" and your attempts at challenging other males for territory and recognition is only for the sake of boosting your genetic values and increasing your chances for reproduction. Now you will realize that going against me is the worst idea for you because I will pluck your peacock feathers and send you naked back on the streets as I am the biggest Alpha you have ever come across. The reason why you believe in evolution is because it boosts your survival value. Since you are a graduate student you must align your thoughts with the consensus of yours peers and your superiors. How would you dare scoff at evolution in front of your professors? They will look at you with contemptuous eyes and out caste you. Because your survival is dependent on their approval of your dress and mannerism you must court such contradictory beliefs. If you were to challenge the established dogma of the institution which you serve you will be deemed unfit to them and won't advance further and this will lower your chances for reproduction and survival. And we all know how much you value your pathetic degree.
            Kaish lacked eloquence and depth of thought but he had it right. You have sold the akhira for the dunya. And deep down you know this to be true which is why a month after that discussion you still want to unearth it to affirm for your self that you actually have squashed it. You want to reciprocate the feeling towards me so you want to tell me that I have a Subway store ..do I? Are you sure ? Maybe I 've sold it already...maybe I have another restaurant and another business or two flying off already ...Allah knows best.

            ops ...I wrote 15 pages... its actually less than a page but because you hardly read anything the effort seems like it is 500 pages condensed into 15 ... I know ..I know

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
              I am kaish?

              look how stupid you are to even consider such a conspiracy theory. then you call your self a man of "science" and "rationalism" when all you do is speculate and conjecture. Get a life bro...a real one.

              You are the douche bag because your whole argument in that "evolution" thread was based on the premise that you have a degree therefore you can't be wrong. I already showed every single one of your premise to be wrong and half-truths at best but you refuse to believe me because you think I don't have a degree...even though I am more qualified than you are on this subject.

              Even now this news article doesn't give definitive proof per say but only speculates on the age based on the layer of sand in which the bones were allegedly found. Note that the original pekingman doesn't even exist..and it was no more than a few pieces of bones. Remember Java man? Piltdown man? Fakes! Hoaxes...we can't know how real pekingman was when his original bones don't even exist!

              You two idiots are willing to believe such a mythical fairy tale based on such shady evidence...then come here and mock others for believing in A Creator who can will anything He wants to. This isn't science...I already showed you buffoons how turkana boy (another homo erectus with a full sample) does not morphologically (anatomically to be precise) differ much from modern skeletons. They are at best another race of people no different than you. I already showed you the evidence that up 700,000 years ago people were building boats and sailing the seas...but you are so stupid you think they were a different species of "adam" that were prototypes of your more perfected self. Hubris! As time passes by more controversy arises from this theory as researches argue it's axioms - such as the belief that skull sizes evolved from small to large as culture became more sophisticated...now I don't know what this news proves you two moron that you are calling me out here for?

              Can't teach an old dog new tricks...believe what you want to. Makes no difference if you believe in Evolution or not..not to me. But ****mitarsexedge aka the masturbating monkey... you've lost the way. This is as far as you can go and I don't expect much else from you except such theatrics and intellectual posturing and even lies...I had to take pictures from published journal articles and in your delusional mind they turned into bible pages....not surprised.
              He also thought I was Qunduz and then Unknownprince. He also pertends his white sauce comment wasnt perverted.

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