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    Falling in Love Only Takes About a Fifth of a Second, Research Reveals

    A new meta-analysis study conducted by Syracuse University Professor Stephanie Ortigue reveals falling in love can elicit not only the same euphoric feeling as using cocaine, but also affects intellectual areas of the brain. Researchers also found falling in love only takes about a fifth of a second.

    Results from Ortigue's team revealed when a person falls in love, 12 areas of the brain work in tandem to release euphoria-inducing chemicals such as dopamine, oxytocin, adrenaline and vasopression. The love feeling also affects sophisticated cognitive functions, such as mental representation, metaphors and body image.

    The findings raise the question: "Does the heart fall in love, or the brain?"
    "That's a tricky question always," says Ortigue. "I would say the brain, but the heart is also related because the complex concept of love is formed by both bottom-up and top-down processes from the brain to the heart and vice versa. For instance, activation in some parts of the brain can generate stimulations to the heart, butterflies in the stomach. Some symptoms we sometimes feel as a manifestation of the heart may sometimes be coming from the brain."

    Other researchers also found blood levels of nerve growth factor, or NGF, also increased. Those levels were significantly higher in couples who had just fallen in love. This molecule involved plays an important role in the social chemistry of humans, or the phenomenon 'love at first sight.' "These results confirm love has a scientific basis," says Ortigue.
    The findings have major implications for neuroscience and mental health research because when love doesn't work out, it can be a significant cause of emotional stress and depression. "It's another probe into the brain and into the mind of a patient," says Ortigue. "By understanding why they fall in love and why they are so heartbroken, they can use new therapies." By identifying the parts of the brain stimulated by love, doctors and therapists can better understand the pains of love-sick patients.
    The study also shows different parts of the brain fall for love. For example, unconditional love, such as that between a mother and a child, is sparked by the common and different brain areas, including the middle of the brain. Passionate love is sparked by the reward part of the brain, and also associative cognitive brain areas that have higher-order cognitive functions, such as body image.
    Ortigue and her team worked with a team from West Virginia University and a university hospital in Switzerland. The results of the study are published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine.
    Ortigue worked on the love study with colleagues Francesco Bianchi-Demicheli (Geneva University Psychiatric Center, Switzerland), James Lewis (West Virginia University), Nisa Patel (graduate student in SU's College of Arts and Sciences) and Chris Frum (West Virginia University). Ortigue's follow-up study about the speed of love in the human brain is expected to be released soon.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1022184957.htm
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  • #2
    That's what we call lust, not love, remember?

    Kha, so how exactly were they able to determine that someone was in love and not in lust or swimming in the pleasures of infatuation instead? I mean, the people whose blood levels they studied, for instance, what signs did they show of being "in love"? And can that ever be verified? Let us say these EXACT same people are studied 15 years from now if they are alive: Will the same effects of love be there? Or will that not be love any longer? You get what I'm saying?

    So, yeah, from what has been described in the above article, I tell you it's lust, not love. Most people confuse the two and don't detect any difference. Those are the ones who are out of love after a couple of years, at the most.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Roshina View Post
      That's what we call lust, not love, remember?

      So, yeah, from what has been described in the above article, I tell you it's lust, not love. Most people confuse the two and don't detect any difference. Those are the ones who are out of love after a couple of years, at the most.
      chi da meene pa matlab hum na pohegi,
      dase yaw lewanaye zrra dey de janana

      che zama pa dardoono pore ta khandi,
      khudaya pa ta da lambi wale na teregi...hahahaha

      Yeah, people do confuse the two terms--love and lust--both in theory and in practice.Lust looks for "sexual compatibility".Once the honeymoon period is over and the chemical levels have diminished,the importance of lust as an integral part of an intimate relationship also weakens. Hence there is no role of lust in subsequent stages of the relationship where the compatibility with the partner is tested at levels different than just sexual or physical.

      Originally posted by Roshina View Post
      so how exactly were they able to determine that someone was in love and not in lust or swimming in the pleasures of infatuation instead? I mean, the people whose blood levels they studied, for instance, what signs did they show of being "in love"? And can that ever be verified?
      A lot of present reserach directed at finding the "biochemical" reason for love has identified some neurochemicals--nerve growth factor (NGF--stimulates sensory neurons), Dopamine (increases heart rate and blood pressure), Serotonin (multifuntional), Oxytocin (the "love" and "cuddle" hormone), and vasopressin (regulates arterial blood pressure), testosteron, estrogens, etc. The above-mentioned study has tried to address two variables (based on the summary of the results they have provided): First, they found elevated levels of not only chemicals locally produced by brain, but also the hormones secreted from body parts other than brain specifically.Secondly, they performed neuroimaging studies by scanning areas of brain which are activated during the entire "falling in love" process. Although they have not differentiated or provided information about the couples which makes it hard to solve the the "love" vs "lust" puzzle, one thing that makes me inclined to take it more as biochemical testing of love than that of lust in this particular study is...
      ..the study also shows different parts of the brain fall for love. For example, unconditional love, such as that between a mother and a child, is sparked by the common and different brain areas, including the middle of the brain. Passionate love is sparked by the reward part of the brain, and also associative cognitive brain areas that have higher-order cognitive functions, such as body image."
      Originally posted by Roshina View Post
      Let us say these EXACT same people are studied 15 years from now if they are alive: Will the same effects of love be there? Or will that not be love any longer?
      This is a good question.Enzo Emanuele (the Italian biologist who does all this "wub" research) would be blushing now,lol..In one of his "love-ish" studies,he found that the levels of the NGF decreased after a year but there was an increase in the levels after 3 years in the same subjects. Also, the levels of NGF was significantly higher in couples than those who were single.But the couples did mention that 1st and the 3-6 years were the happiest ones, and there could be many reason for the happiness.

      "Love" chemicals like those of "fear/flight hormones" are dependent upon brain. As long as the brain is in "love", the bodies will be inundated with the secretion of these chemicals.Depressing thoughts, anxiety, stress, and unhappiness leads to the secretion of entirely different group of "depression-inducing chemicals" which need to be suppressed with "depressants" such as "love chemicals". For now the study hardly answers questions about the persistent secretion of the hormones, or the extent to which the chemicals would play a significant role after several years of being in a relationship. Perhaps reading the original publication would shed some light on the methodology and the variables used in the study since this news item is just a summary of the study.
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      "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

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      • #4
        Lust is a physical attraction which quickly finishes... Love is deeper...
        Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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        • #5
          Love is evil stay away from it.
          Life is like posing for pictures. We pose the way we want to be seen by others. But stolen shots are better. They capture who we really are...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Roshina
            Fascinating stuff, Gulalai! Thank you TOO much for explaining it so eloquently!

            The first time I was introduced to the "scientific" stance on love was in 2004, I believe. We had to present news articles to our physical science class (lol ), and one of mine was on falling in love and how science is showing that you literally fall *in* love, lol. I don't remember all the details, but it was similar to what you have stated above. Only, at that time, none of the questions came to my mind that are coming right now. So thank God for you!
            Lol!! thanks..it's pretty fascinating research compared to the (boring) cancer diseases and those viral transmissions (lol!kidding).Imagine publishing something like "we have identified a new biochemical that will be soon available in market.Taking a 200mg pill will make you fall in love and the persistent use over the years will keep you Fair & Lovely (I just read the thread on fairness creams) in your relationship"...hahaha..xd

            Originally posted by bebe sherini
            i dont understand the difference between lust and love...
            Bibi Guley, this is a very tough question.I need someone's help to answer you properly *runs after PF Love Guru*

            Originally posted by Sher Malang View Post
            Love is evil stay away from it.
            Ahem!!

            @Jasmine and Aseer Jaan

            Thanks =)
            "O Pakhtuns!, Your house has fallen into ruin, let us rebuild it".
            "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

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            • #7
              m i supposed to read all that?

              I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

              non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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              • #8
                Gulalai,

                What is this research promoting? In Islam, this stuff is not allowed before marriage because it can be deemed unhealthy for an individual. What do you all think?

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                • #9
                  i am in love every weekend when i'm out clubbing

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                  • #10
                    defining love by watching a tv show...that too one titled as "sex and the city". yeah right...

                    I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                    non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                      Gulalai,

                      What is this research promoting? In Islam, this stuff is not allowed before marriage because it can be deemed unhealthy for an individual. What do you all think?
                      Hmm you can read the original article and the 3rd post to get an idea of what is being "promoted" by the research.

                      If you have not grasped the logic of this research ("what is this research promoting"), how could you reach that conclusion? What is "deemed unhealthy"?

                      Kind regards
                      "O Pakhtuns!, Your house has fallen into ruin, let us rebuild it".
                      "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shadow Caster
                        I am still trying to discover the meaning of love.
                        you guys should watch sex and the city (both parts)
                        I was so addicted to the show.The first movie was great but I did not enjoy the second one that much.

                        Good luck with the discovery! Is it even possible? :P
                        "O Pakhtuns!, Your house has fallen into ruin, let us rebuild it".
                        "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

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                        • #13
                          Gulalai,

                          I did read the article. I was a little suprised that the heart was even mentioned with the concept of love especially considering that the heart is just an organ that pumps blood to all parts of the body. I was curious why this researcher even brought this question up.

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                          • #14
                            changing the topic,

                            Love is a very western concept that I am afraid many Muslims have got caught up in. Marriage is simply marriage.

                            Love is a western ideal we should steer clear from until marriage. I think too many people are getting caught up in this, and it can lead to sin.
                            Last edited by Guest; 10-27-2010, 11:44 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                              changing the topic,

                              Love is a very western concept that I am afraid many Muslims have got caught up in. Marriage is simply marriage.

                              Love is a western ideal we should steer clear from until marriage. I think too many people are getting caught up in this, and it can lead to sin.

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