Scientists On QURAN

[Badlun]

First of all I don't believe you have read any of the books you've mentioned since you are not even able to grasp the simple basic aspects of Isam such as what is obligatory and what optional, Sunna or Fardh. Whereas he books you mentioned have in depth details of the Islamic outlook on economical issues like usury, tax and insurance, also if you have basic knowledge of western secular law you will find that many foundations for politics have been borrowed from Islamic Shariah, President Lincoln of America has also credited Islamic political outlooks. Further more I have been studying Classical Arabic for nearly 18 months on a part time basis and I wouldn't say I'm well versed but one of the first things I learnt was the elequence of Arabic in the Quran or the "Balaagha" one that grasps this basic concept will laugh in the face of claims taken out of the Quran and transliterated into English on websites like answeringIslam.com, since you claim the quranic errors I can show you videos in the Arabic language that will refute your claims in less than a minute, rather than me explaining in English which would take hours so I'm glad you are fluent enough to read whole complex books in Arabic.


As for Nobel peace prizes, what kind of justification is that for evidence of knowledge? who decides who gets a Nobel peace prize? Is it muslims or non-Muslim dominated?? There are Iranian scientists like M.T Keshe that has contributed to cutting edge technology, even if he comes up with a device to stop world hunger will you ever see him win a Nobel peace prize? lol..saying this for your satisfaction did you know Ahmed Zewail a muslim scientist has won a Nobel peace prize in chemistry? Or Abdus Salaam for physics, How about other ground breaking scientists like Abdul Qadir Khan? Step into another realm like architecture and you will see that the most famous and greatest female is a Muslim..now what? You want me to break down every single subject and give names? Like i said Billions of Muslims need unity and mutual understanding, soon it will come and you will see the Islamic civilisation flourish..tell me if Gaddafi succeeded in breaking away from US shackles and united africa would you not see an advancement in civilisation and research? Muslims are also to blame but when your country's are plagued through war and sanctions are put on you it's hard to compete with free nations that have no restrictions put on them.

I know perfectly the categories like faradh, sunnat, mustahab, wajib, makorrohe tanzeehi, tehreemi, haram etc. But all these categories are for worship modes and for ethical injunctions nothing to do with economics and d politics or science.

In the following list I see the name of Aahmed Zewai in the category of peace not science. Abdul Salam FYI was a Qadynai not Muslim. This is a total lame excuse that Nobel prizes are given by non Muslims. Not at all. If yes then why Muslims do not have their own Nobel prize? Abdul Qadeer is prisoner in his own country. You can cite few names but see the list below carefully and compare how thousands of Jews outnumber billions of Muslims.

Jews outperform Muslims in science!
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Nobel Prizes to Jews
Nobel Prizes Muslims
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
Economics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
196 2 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - P eter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Muslims: (zero)
Physics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Muslims: (zero)
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
Muslims: (zero) TOTAL:
Jews: 129 (one hundred twenty nine)
Muslims: only 4 (FOUR)
Population
14,000,000
(14 Million)
.02% of population
1,200,000,000
(1 billion)
20%

[Manzareh]

I guess you chose to ignore the last few sentences of my post on purpose because it wouldn't have allowed you to post this list, you see the reason why i wrote those last few sentences was because I have spoken to people like you before and you all give the exact same robotic reply's, which is why I specifically mentioned Palestine because non-muslims always jump into talking about Jews out of thin air, you are just another robotic example, i need not respond to the list you've posted because the response is in the post I made before, go back and read it again properly.

I know perfectly the categories like faradh, sunnat, mustahab, wajib, makorrohe tanzeehi, tehreemi, haram etc. But all these categories are for worship modes and for ethical injunctions nothing to do with economics and d politics or science.

Ok this is the last time I will say this in the most basic fashion i can possibly attempt to write, it's getting ridiculous because iv been saying this to you for the hundreds of times already: Islam is a religion entwined with shariah, which includes politics, economical principles and social ethics, without following these mention things one cannot be a follower of Islam, there is no such thing as a half way Muslim.

This is a total lame excuse that Nobel prizes are given by non Muslims. Not at all.

Why is it a lame excuse? Answer my question if M.T Keshe develops incredible technology to the highest level will he EVER get a Nobel peace prize?? No because he's Iranian. The non Muslim and western world is demoting Islam and Muslims and portraying their own specific image of Islam do you really think they would put Islam on their recognisable lists? Don't be ridiculous. Recently Palestine was put on the UNESCO list and America was so outraged that it removed every single dollar they had in the organisation, you think there is no racism on a democratic level? Wake the F up.

If yes then why Muslims do not have their own Nobel prize?

We do, it's called Jannah

[Badlun]

I guess you chose to ignore the last few sentences of my post on purpose because it wouldn't have allowed you to post this list, you see the reason why i wrote those last few sentences was because I have spoken to people like you before and you all give the exact same robotic reply's, which is why I specifically mentioned Palestine because non-muslims always jump into talking about Jews out of thin air, you are just another robotic example, i need not respond to the list you've posted because the response is in the post I made before, go back and read it again properly.



Ok this is the last time I will say this in the most basic fashion i can possibly attempt to write, it's getting ridiculous because iv been saying this to you for the hundreds of times already: Islam is a religion entwined with shariah, which includes politics, economical principles and social ethics, without following these mention things one cannot be a follower of Islam, there is no such thing as a half way Muslim.



Why is it a lame excuse? Answer my question if M.T Keshe develops incredible technology to the highest level will he EVER get a Nobel peace prize?? No because he's Iranian. The non Muslim and western world is demoting Islam and Muslims and portraying their own specific image of Islam do you really think they would put Islam on their recognisable lists? Don't be ridiculous. Recently Palestine was put on the UNESCO list and America was so outraged that it removed every single dollar they had in the organisation, you think there is no racism on a democratic level? Wake the F up.



We do, it's called Jannah

I have read this part of your post
There's nearly 2 Billion Muslims, Engineers, Architects, Doctars, Scientists etc not only in the west but also in their home countries, what Muslims are lacking is unity and a single head (Khalifa) when Muslims had a Khalifa they progressed well, but when you divide a people you conquer them, there is something happening in the world today and i see Muslims uniting and domination technology and science once again, remember after the storm, darkness and rain the sun always shines.

Do you think Non Muslims have Khilafat that is why they have such a huge develpment and science/techinology at their disposal. Do you think you need uniting 58 Muslim states first and then you will launch your project of science and technlogy? Will you see one day Iran as part of Khilafat along with Saudi? All these are dreams my brother. This is the era of nation states . Religion cannot become a base for a state.

How there are few Muslim names on the list of Nobel prizes? If non Muslim were at all against the idea of putting Muslims on the list, no Muslim would appear there but we have few names in the category of peace or literature. But Muslims are a total failure in science. Do not blame others . Star reforming yourself.

If Jannah is your only target then I can perfectly understand you. No need of further such worldly discussions. We may prepare for the life after death. This life does not need our attention. I think you have hit the nail. Another reason for the backwardness of Muslims is their attachment to fatalism and other worldliness.

[Friend]

Badlun you are blaming every single muslim for these problems but you fail to realise that these problems are due to the secular or seme secular govts of the muslim nations and you better know that all these rulars are saves of america and west. Why these slaves of the west dont emphasis on education but bring unislamic things from the west and defend them. This is responsibilty of these rulars to make a proper system for higher education and all that. Secondly please dont always compare those highly developed nations with our muslims because most of those developed countries wage wars on poor countries and their resources to maintain their developemebt abd status. They kill million of people grab on their resources exploit them use them sell them and then tell us look we are so developed and powerful.
Do you defend such development based on theft and cruality???
Give me a single prize winner name whether jew chritian or anything else who has won the prize for his work on spirituality, morality, ethics, modesty. But they give these nobel prizes on their choices for their own interests. So nobel prize is not a standard for the highness of some nation or individual.

[Manzareh]

I have read this part of your post

Why not the other parts where I repeatedly ask you the same question, here it is again; if you are concerned with Nobel 'noble' prizes then riddle me this, if a Muslim from Iran (or another country that the west is not fond of) comes up with a person worthy of a noble prize for ther advancements in modern technology or science, do you think they would be awarded with a noble prize or be acknowledged? If you answer yes then I have a detailed response for you.

Do you think Non Muslims have Khilafat that is why they have such a huge develpment and science/techinology at their disposal. Do you think you need uniting 58 Muslim states first and then you will launch your project of science and technlogy? Will you see one day Iran as part of Khilafat along with Saudi? All these are dreams my brother. This is the era of nation states . Religion cannot become a base for a state.

These people have unity through nationalism, they have a head of there beliefs which is secularism, they are not individual country's when it comes to defence , if a country from the east happens to attack a single western country then the western world will all join in and fight, my point is with unity comes security, and with security you have complex infulstructures where reasearch and development can flourish and many candidates for your 'Nobel prizes' can be made. If a Muslim country is attacked by the west no other Muslim country will jump in and help, therefore Muslim country's have no security, hence when infulstructures are blown to smithereens then where is this reasearch and development going to happen?. You have the EU which is a number of countrys with diverse backgrounds and ethnicities also different religious vs atheist outlooks but they still have an alliance with each other, this allience of 58 states between muslims is not that impossible as you make seem and how they have you think its a dream, its actually very simple, a Khilafa/union or whatever you want to call it comprised of Muslim country's will turn into a superpower in a matter of decades, the west knows this, why do think there is so much involvement and meddling, wars, propaganda in the Middle East and other Muslim dominated regions? Open your mind.

How there are few Muslim names on the list of Nobel prizes? If non Muslim were at all against the idea of putting Muslims on the list, no Muslim would appear there but we have few names in the category of peace or literature. But Muslims are a total failure in science. Do not blame others . Star reforming yourself.

Ahmed Zewail was a scientist, not a writer, he won the prize for chemistry to be exact (another proof of the misleading sources you get your information from). Although its not the problem of muslims that the greatest achievements made were before Alfred Nobel started giving badges and awards out, this fact should hint a more mature outlook on how you view intelligence. Further more why is it so important to you to compare the number of muslim laureats with the entire muslim population? You keep writing that so many jewes laureate out of 20 milion and only a few muslims laureate out of 1.4 billion muslims. If numbers matter that much to you, than you my friend should be worried that only 20 milion people choose judaism as their religion out of 6.5 billion inhabitants of our planet.

I don't play the the victim or blame kafirs, I blame ourself for muslims not replacing pride with honour, for muslims that are unable to unite when they have resources and man power to dominate, i blame the victimised apologetic so called muslims like you that feel inferior to non-muslims, so the only thing you can do is wash down your faith, I blame muslims for not having the courage to organise ourselves into a technological economical force.

If Jannah is your only target then I can perfectly understand you. No need of further such worldly discussions. We may prepare for the life after death. This life does not need our attention. I think you have hit the nail. Another reason for the backwardness of Muslims is their attachment to fatalism and other worldliness.

You are imagining me hitting nails, where did I say Jannah is my ONLY target? Where have I stated that dunya, education and worldly advancements should be ignored? You have selective readying bro, think before you type.

One second you are saying a reason for Muslim backwardness is because they are not achieving as much in worldly affairs and the next second you are saying the backwardness is because of worldly attachments..make your mind up.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I have read this part of your post
There's nearly 2 Billion Muslims, Engineers, Architects, Doctars, Scientists etc not only in the west but also in their home countries, what Muslims are lacking is unity and a single head (Khalifa) when Muslims had a Khalifa they progressed well, but when you divide a people you conquer them, there is something happening in the world today and i see Muslims uniting and domination technology and science once again, remember after the storm, darkness and rain the sun always shines.

Do you think Non Muslims have Khilafat that is why they have such a huge develpment and science/techinology at their disposal. Do you think you need uniting 58 Muslim states first and then you will launch your project of science and technlogy? Will you see one day Iran as part of Khilafat along with Saudi? All these are dreams my brother. This is the era of nation states . Religion cannot become a base for a state.

How there are few Muslim names on the list of Nobel prizes? If non Muslim were at all against the idea of putting Muslims on the list, no Muslim would appear there but we have few names in the category of peace or literature. But Muslims are a total failure in science. Do not blame others . Star reforming yourself.

If Jannah is your only target then I can perfectly understand you. No need of further such worldly discussions. We may prepare for the life after death. This life does not need our attention. I think you have hit the nail. Another reason for the backwardness of Muslims is their attachment to fatalism and other worldliness.

Actually the West has many admirable unifying characteristics. What we see with the Snowden revelations are that Europeans and the Americans have actually been secretly working in tandem for a long time. This same trait is seen when it comes to invading various outside nations or coming up with a subsequent plan to do so. For instance, Europe pretends to protest when Bush invaded Iraq, but then ended up joining the coalition and Hollande sent his own legions into Mali. Once again, I am not criticizing this, but rather noting that there is a lot of unity that coalesces around the US and its leadership.

The issue generally in the Muslim world is that a minority, a vocal minority, of militant secularists are a Trojan horse for indigenous peoples. They are generally ideologues and out of touch with ground level realities. Their approach has always been to parcel out their duty to outside stronger powers. Internally, the Mullah may have done some local damage, but a militant communist threat like Najib(ushaytaan) did huge damages to the fabric of the Afghan nation. These invited incursions in turn result in repeated lengthy periods of warfare. Warfare, which the Muslim world has been engulfed in since the colonial era is always going to stunt progress in the same way that a violent and abusive household may not progress as much as a peaceful one with access to resources and unity.

The key will be to isolate, neutralize, marginalize, and finally criminalize this vocal minority. The steps will involve ensuring that this group feels somewhat safe enough to have their own political parties, but this should primarily be to identify them. Then as Erdogan has done, they should be steadily removed from any and all influential positions. Finally, the penal code should address jail time for these folks.

With such an approach the scourge of militant secularism (or perhaps the better term is militant opportunism) in the MUslim world will abate with time one can only hope.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I have read this part of your post
There's nearly 2 Billion Muslims, Engineers, Architects, Doctars, Scientists etc not only in the west but also in their home countries, what Muslims are lacking is unity and a single head (Khalifa) when Muslims had a Khalifa they progressed well, but when you divide a people you conquer them, there is something happening in the world today and i see Muslims uniting and domination technology and science once again, remember after the storm, darkness and rain the sun always shines.

Do you think Non Muslims have Khilafat that is why they have such a huge develpment and science/techinology at their disposal. Do you think you need uniting 58 Muslim states first and then you will launch your project of science and technlogy? Will you see one day Iran as part of Khilafat along with Saudi? All these are dreams my brother. This is the era of nation states . Religion cannot become a base for a state.

How there are few Muslim names on the list of Nobel prizes? If non Muslim were at all against the idea of putting Muslims on the list, no Muslim would appear there but we have few names in the category of peace or literature. But Muslims are a total failure in science. Do not blame others . Star reforming yourself.

If Jannah is your only target then I can perfectly understand you. No need of further such worldly discussions. We may prepare for the life after death. This life does not need our attention. I think you have hit the nail. Another reason for the backwardness of Muslims is their attachment to fatalism and other worldliness.

Perhaps the only other key point to add is that the West should encourage a more enlightened and moderate secularism like that found in the American Northeast or in Ireland (where secularists ceded to evangelical/catholic mores for example when Charles Parnell was deposed). This would be a preferable way to teach secularism, in that it relegates itself as secondary to the predominant system of the locale that the masses feel at ease with. This would be in contrast to the violent near communistic secularism of people like deposed dictator Najib and various sympathizers.

The goal should be to emulate Erdogan's approach to combating this brand of secular militancy that betrays indigenous mores and ideologies. One approach may be to, once the West leaves in 2014, to open free trade deals and make it apparent to the West that the militant secularists seek to use Western bodies and as a result garner native anger toward Western foreign policy. With this in mind, the West may begin to see these Trojan horses as a liability and then dump them as they have in Turkey, if it does not suit their interests.

[Khostai]

Actually the West has many admirable unifying characteristics. What we see with the Snowden revelations are that Europeans and the Americans have actually been secretly working in tandem for a long time. This same trait is seen when it comes to invading various outside nations or coming up with a subsequent plan to do so. For instance, Europe pretends to protest when Bush invaded Iraq, but then ended up joining the coalition and Hollande sent his own legions into Mali. Once again, I am not criticizing this, but rather noting that there is a lot of unity that coalesces around the US and its leadership.

The issue generally in the Muslim world is that a minority, a vocal minority, of militant extremist and wahabist like the Taliban are a Trojan horse for indigenous peoples. They are generally ideologues and out of touch with ground level realities. Their approach has always been to parcel out their duty to outside stronger powers. Internally, the secularists may have done some local damage, but a militant extremist threat like Mullah Omar, Massoud, Rabanni, Dostum(ushaytaan) did huge damages to the fabric of the Afghan nation. These invited incursions in turn result in repeated lengthy periods of warfare. Warfare, which the Muslim world has been engulfed in since the colonial era is always going to stunt progress in the same way that a violent and abusive household may not progress as much as a peaceful one with access to resources and unity.

The key will be to isolate, neutralize, marginalize, and finally criminalize this vocal minority. The steps will involve ensuring that this group feels somewhat safe enough to have their own political parties, but this should primarily be to identify them. Then as Erdogan has done, they should be steadily removed from any and all influential positions. Finally, the penal code should address jail time for these folks.

With such an approach the scourge of militant extremism of Wahabist (or perhaps the better term is militant opportunism) in the MUslim world will abate with time one can only hope.

I made correction to your post, this way it is logical.
You are welcome :P.

[Khostai]

And one thing, Europe and US are now working really close toghether but that was not the case 65+(WWI and WWII) years ago even if you go 20 or 30 years, all those western countries hated each other......Communist East Europe and Kapitalist West...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I made correction to your post, this way it is logical.
You are welcome :P.

I think the modifications make it so the role of militant secularists like Najib is not stressed enough. Awami National Party secularist militants across the border are also extremists too. Inshallah one day with the help of the rest of the world, since this anti secularist extremism movement is beginning to pick up steam in the US and Britain - a more enlightened version of secularism may be practiced by these war monger types.

In reality, Najibullah and Dostum were/are both part of the militant secular movement

The key once again will be to identify, isolate, neutralize, and criminalize this vocal minority to avoid unnecessary intervention.

[Kushan Prince]

Because Muslims do not believe in science. We believe in Quran & Sunnah.

Nobody is expected to enter Islam just because some scientists claims there are scientifically accurate things mentioned in Quran.

Some people think that we should conform to everything scientists claim. 100 years ago, evolution theory made people think Africans are stupid and inferior to whites. Back then that was what scientists believe is accurate. Today, they no longer believe this to be true.

Scientists claimed that homosexuality is a disease. Today they no longer say so. But rather they claim it is something that is in the genes.

Scientists claimed so many things at one point and their claims were perceived as scientific facts. But after a while they discovered something else and suddenly they changed their views.

Should we Muslims adjust our beliefs every time scientists come up with a new story?

Umm Islam supports science and the study of the universe. Of course not all scientific facts are true, infact many of them are absurd like evolution and the string theory (although that's pseudoscience).

You sound like those Evangelical Christians who claim science to by "ungodly."

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Kushan, your english is just as poor as your Pashto. I never suggested science is ungodly.

I merely pointed out that the basis of our beliefs is revelation and not science. We don't judge revelation by science.

[Kushan Prince]

Kushan, your english is just as poor as your Pashto. I never suggested science is ungodly.

I merely pointed out that the basis of our beliefs is revelation and not science. We don't judge revelation by science.

Do you ever proof read you're posts? You said Muslims do NOT believe in science. Your straw man arguments won't work here.

A Tajik like you needs education.

[کیش]

Science is Mans attempt to understand the working of god: Chemistry, Physics, Geology, and Astronomy, are the after effects of the big bang.

Evolution is blasphemous. Your going way above your limits to ignore what Allah said about the creation of animals.

We're animals created by God, so that is why have some similarities with other animals

[Badlun]

After decades of the martyrdom of Dr Najeeb Barakzai is still obsessed with poor Najib. He is the only one who has been presented so far as an example for Barakzai's militant secularism.

Instead of marginalizing, criminalizing Najeeb is staging a come back.....read it

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/2012618134838393817.html

Executed Afghan president stages 'comeback'
Sixteen years after he was killed, Mohammad Najibullah is riding a wave of popularity among violence-weary Afghans.





Can you please share few other names in present day world? On the other hand militancy in religious Islamist camp is obvious where thousands of names are on UN terrorist list.