Scientists On QURAN

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

We have and we always do. And Why not? Muslims adjust their beliefs when new science/technology is created. There was a time when the loud speaker and microphone were considered Haram because it was not the pure voice coming through. Now that they understand the science, they have accepted them.

Who considered loud speakers haram when and where?

[Badlun]

Who considered loud speakers haram when and where?

I have been recently to Raiwand Lahore in Pakistan ,the center of Tableeghi Jamat and they still consider loud speaker haram during prayers!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The advocates of evolution theory within Muslim community have a very negative perception of how Muslims perceivr things and how beliefs and attitudes are formulated. Basically they think that all Muslms are stupid.

The reason why they advocate acceptance of evolution theory is not because all these advocates happen to be scientists themselves. They havent really investigated the matter thoroughly.

In reality their true motive is due to them being overwhelmed by worldly gains of secular and immoral society. They see people who believe they are sophisticated animals as extremely succesful in worldly matters. They assume that if Muslims stop believing to be more than just a sophisticated ape, then the Muslims will move forward and become wealthy and prosperous.

They feel embarassed when surrounded by non Muslims who all believe that their ancestors were apes. They have trouble explainig why poor underdeveloped dark skinned religious people refuse to believe they are apes.

So instead of dealing with their own insecurities they choose to become advocates of evolution theory.

In case you are wondering from where I get this information, I happen to know many advocates. They either study soft science or arts or they are students of hard science but they all have one thing in common: lack of faith and lack of understanding combined with lack of self esteem with reverence for anyone who is wealthy and succesful in worldly matters.

You'll find that all of them have the exact same rhetoric and the exact same questions and doubts regarding Islam.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I have been recently to Raiwand Lahore in Pakistan ,the center of Tableeghi Jamat and they still consider loud speaker haram during prayers!

First of all you are a kafir so whatever you say is not accepted as truth unless there is clear evidence.

Secondly, AbdulWahhab, the leader of Jamaat Tableegh is not a scholar. He cant even speak Arabic. What he claims and what he preaches is same as what any layman claims. His viewshave absolutely no authority what so ever.

[Badlun]

First of all you are a kafir so whatever you say is not accepted as truth unless there is clear evidence.

Secondly, AbdulWahhab, the leader of Jamaat Tableegh is not a scholar. He cant even speak Arabic. What he claims and what he preaches is same as what any layman claims. His viewshave absolutely no authority what so ever.

If a Kafir says two and two make four, still you will not believe in him?

Besides Abdul Wahab there are many scholars attached to Tableeghi Jamaat.

Speaking Arabic does not make one a scholar. There are many illiterate and Christan Arabs!

[Manzareh]

Dear Manzareh

First of all I do appreciate the way you interact and try to convey your message. At least you write something to refute me along with bashing me and calling me a devil, an evil, an infidel and Kafir not like others who issue fatwa but with out even a try to justify the Fatwa! .

You indirectly bash my religion and call it false so I directly bash you, I regard you as being similar to Satan because you go out of your way to create a delusion about Islamic values and portray an incorrect image of the greatest man to ever walk the earth, your die hard efforts can only stem from sinister attributes you have within your soul. I do see you as a kuffar which means infidel because that is exactly what you are, you see yourself as some superior authority of what Islam is and should be when you clearly do not have sufficient knowledge about Islam from Islamic sources as all your information and misconceptions are from non-muslim sources which makes you a biased person and subsequently makes your opinions invalid. I also think you are a decease because you purposefully try to mislead people intentionally whilst putting on a Mr.Innocent act.

If you think Sunna is not obligatory , just optional then our this dispute is resolved. Then Sunna being non obligatory cannot be a source of Islam and if any one is convinced may opt for it if not may leave it as it is not obligatory. Thus I can listen to music, can shave , can dance and women are not obliged to cover their whole bodies. .

Ok the Sunna is non obligatory, but just because its non obligatory then it cannot be a source of Islam? says who?. do you mean to say only obligatory acts can be part of Islam? I don't agree, ovcourse non obligatory acts are considered a source of Islam, why wouldn't they be. Also this is exactly what I mean about you not having credible Islamic knowledge to debate Islam, first of all things like Music and women covering there body's are obligatory actions they are not Sunna or optional, as for dance and shaving there are disputes whether you need to or not, but think of it like this, of the Prophet despised something then we are safe to say Allah also despises the action whether they are obligatory or not.

I am not at all against the religion of Islam. I believe in the five pillars of Islam. I am against mixing Islam with science, society, culture, economy, politics and education. This is not part of my belief system to believe in the stages of embryology mentioned in Quran..

I am Mulsim by saying shahadah , prayers, fasting, zakat and hajj. I must follow Islamic moral system as not telling lie, not murdering, no adulteration, no stealing etc. This is enough for me being a Muslim. I will not follow Arab culture or believe that sun rises in the east and sets in the west as mentioned in Qur'an to be a Muslim.

You say you are not against the religion of Islam but admit you are against the key aspects of Islam which is society, economy, politics and so fourth...this makes you against Islam by default because Islam is entwined with these mentioned things, maybe you want to just have the title of 'Muslim' but not follow anything Islam is about, but then this would mean you are only lying to yourself and have a false title of who you are. Islam has a complex legal system, a complex economical and political system and is firm on the actions of how a Muslim should carry him/herself in society. you say 'i must do this' and 'i must do that' where do you get this 'must' from? is you just picking and choosing what you must and must not do?

Tell me, If you don't follow the hadith or words of the prophet then how do you follow the 5 pillars of Islam that you adhere to? the 5 pillars are:

Shahaada - This statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of and total commitment to Islam. The statement is pledging allegiance to Muhammad pbuh which you deny you should give any credit to.

Salah - It is mentioned in the Quran that we have to pray, but there is no mention on how to specifically pray, we only know how to pray because Muhammad pbuh taught us, but according to you what he taught us might have been false and just hearsay, so how do you pray?

Zakat - You do not believe in Islam having any economical stature, so this pillar is out of the question

Sawm - I very much doubt that you are one to keep a fast or observe Ramadhan so i will leave this one out aswel.

Hajj - again, we as Muslims only know how to perform hajj not thorugh the Quran but through acts of Sunna and what the Prophet has taught us in the Hadith

As for embryology in the Quran, that is your personal opinion, there are some renown academics that know much more than you and I about embryology and they praise the process, but then there are speculative people that are not even versed in biology as a basic subject let alone anything else and don't agree, you do not even know how to speak Arabic but quick to jump on the bandwagon to people that attempt to refute the Quran, but each to their own.

The sites I quoted above have some well organized stuff which have a lot of valid points. Instead of just calling it Islamophobic we may come up with some valid counter arguments. .

My point is, if you are a Muslim its only logical to research an Islamic side of Islam and gain Islamic knowledge, it wouldn't make sense to learn Islam from people that hate Islam just because they have a well organised website, its not very logical is it, from the way you speak and the things you say its pretty blatant from what process mentioned above you learn your Islam from.

My solution to all such discussion is that we may restrict Islam to be a religion and Qur'an to be a book of religion not a book of science or culture. Quran being a book of religion do mention some scientific information but those are based on 1400 years back milieu. Qur'an says sun rises and sets and we know that it is scientifically wrong but Qur'an mentions it in a common man parlance and prove the existence of God not giving some scientific data, There are many other verses of Qur'an which are scientifically wrong but correct religiously, spiritually and representative of a common man thinking and approach .

This is BS, the Quran is not known or claimed to be a book of culture nor has it claimed to be a book of science, and yes you are right it does contain scientific knowledge. There is no verse in the Quran that is scientifically wrong unless you convince yourself that it is, I've been to answeringIslam.com and what other websites you have on your favourites list and every accusation they put against the Quran is misinformed words, translations from Arabic and twisting of words, in some instances they will take a literal meaning from the Quran and give a 'behind the scenes' definition of what it may portray and then when there is a deeper contextual verse of the Quran they will give the word for word simple definition and make it appear that the Quran is saying something literally when it is merely giving an example. I have seen nothing but desperate attempts in a very childlike fashion to put Islam or the Quran down, someone like you might fall for it but the average intellectual that has a mind of his own and has the ability to research unbiasedly, look into contexts will laugh at these false accusations and the mind games of these Islamopeobes prove to no avail.

Yes there is some contribution of Muslim scientists but they were Muslims by name and birth not that the credit goes to Islam but to Muslims. They were also not Salafi kind of Muslims and many of them were declared kafir by their Asharite kind of Muslims. .

If religion or religious names have to do something with science then the millions of christian and Jews scientists that we have today will make Christianity or Judaism or even atheism superior to Islam.

The credit does go to Islam because the Muslim scientists on many occasions have not given the achievements of their work for themselves or personal knowledge but always gave the credit the Quran for the foundation of there conclusions, the same cannot be said for Christian, atheist or whoever else. If the Quran did not come along i doubt these Muslims that achieved so much in the realms of mathematics and science would have done so, these people were backwards uneducated people but soon as Islam came and the Quran was revealed then all of a sudden they started achieving in science and mathematics, you say its just a coincidence? probably, i say Islam and the Quran made them smarter and gave them a new gateway and way of thinking that was unmatched. You see yourself as a Muslim by name, doesn't mean these great people also did only see themselves as Muslims because of birth or name.

Those Muslims were only in limited time(mainly 10th century) and subsequent generations ignored science and today we do not have any Muslim scientist of international refutation.

There's nearly 2 Billion Muslims, Engineers, Architects, Doctars, Scientists etc not only in the west but also in their home countries, what Muslims are lacking is unity and a single head (Khalifa) when Muslims had a Khalifa they progressed well, but when you divide a people you conquer them, there is something happening in the world today and i see Muslims uniting and domination technology and science once again, remember after the storm, darkness and rain the sun always shines.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

If a Kafir says two and two make four, still you will not believe in him?

I dont need people to tell me the obvious.

Distrust in message braught by a kafir is commanded by Allah:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ أَن تُصِيبُواْ قَوۡمَۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ۬ فَتُصۡبِحُواْ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلۡتُمۡ نَـٰدِمِينَ

Surah Al-Hujraat
O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done. (6)

Besides Abdul Wahab there are many scholars attached to Tableeghi Jamaat.

Abdul Wahhab never was and never will be a scholar. People like Rafi Usmani, Taqi Usmani, Moulavi Hasan Jan and others who belong to the Hanafi deobandi denomination all have their status acknowledged by scholars and they all have testified that Jamaat Tableegh does not have scholarship.

Speaking Arabic does not make one a scholar. There are many illiterate and Christan Arabs!

In Islam, if you dont know the language of Islam, you are never able to be a scholar, not even a student of Islam.

Because the requirement of becoming a scholar that is a mujtahid mustaqil or muntasib, is to know all the sciences. The knowledge of Arabic is one of the basic sciences. Without knowledge of Arabic one is not even allowed to attend other courses.

But you wouldn't know that because you don't know anything about Islam.

[Badlun]

I dont need people to tell me the obvious.

Distrust in message braught by a kafir is commanded by Allah:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ أَن تُصِيبُواْ قَوۡمَۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ۬ فَتُصۡبِحُواْ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلۡتُمۡ نَـٰدِمِينَ

Surah Al-Hujraat
O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done. (6)




Abdul Wahhab never was and never will be a scholar. People like Rafi Usmani, Taqi Usmani, Moulavi Hasan Jan and others who belong to the Hanafi deobandi denomination all have their status acknowledged by scholars and they all have testified that Jamaat Tableegh does not have scholarship.




In Islam, if you dont know the language of Islam, you are never able to be a scholar, not even a student of Islam.

Because the requirement of becoming a scholar that is a mujtahid mustaqil or muntasib, is to know all the sciences. The knowledge of Arabic is one of the basic sciences. Without knowledge of Arabic one is not even allowed to attend other courses.

But you wouldn't know that because you don't know anything about Islam.

In the verse the word used is Fasiq not Kafir. A fasiq can be Muslim or non Muslim. And when I say tableeghis do not allow loud speaker in prayers then it is obvious as many can testify who have been to Raiwand.

The whole Deobandi school of Ulema is in favor of Tableeghi Jamat. Many of them regularly participate in their activities. A group of Tableeghis cannot go on a one year journey if they do not have an Aalim with them. Raiwand has its own madrassa for ulema.

There are only 18 % Muslims who are Arabs. Even your Taliban do not speak Arabic. I have seen many eminent religious scholars who cannot speak Arabic. Arabic is a language not knowledge.

FYI I have read the holy Qur'an with translation many times. I understand Quran word by word. I have read few books of Hadith in Arabic like Mishkat. I have completed a course of darse NiZami upto 3rd grade and have mastered books lika khulasa, munya, qadoori, kanz, sharha waqaya, noorul Izah, mezaanu sarf, isaghoji, nahwa, muheet and durre mukhtyar.

I have read all classic Persian books like gulistan, masnawi, bostan, panj ganj, diwane hafiz etc. Besides these I have read a lot of Islamic books in Pashto, Urdu, Dari, English and othe rlabguages. If speaking Arabic is the criterion then I am a mujtahid!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

In the verse the word used is Fasiq not Kafir. A fasiq can be Muslim or non Muslim.

True. A kafir is however worse than a faasiq. Since Allah prohibits us from taking news from fusaaq, then how about taking news from a kafir like you?

And when I say tableeghis do not allow loud speaker in prayers then it is obvious as many can testify who have been to Raiwand.

Produce a fatwa from a mujtahid scholar, a proper renown mufti from Pakistan or anywhere else prohibited the use of loudspeakers or choke on your tongue( fingers in this case)

The whole Deobandi school of Ulema is in favor of Tableeghi Jamat.

Jamaat Tableegh is part of deobandi movement. However, Deobandis do not wholeheartedly endore Tableeghi way as it has many flaws, there is even literature and audios I can post where Deobandi scholars refute Tableeghis.

Many of them regularly participate in their activities. A group of Tableeghis cannot go on a one year journey if they do not have an Aalim with them. Raiwand has its own madrassa for ulema.

Lie. I use to be with Jamaat tableegh, stop lying.

There are only 18 % Muslims who are Arabs. Even your Taliban do not speak Arabic. I have seen many eminent religious scholars who cannot speak Arabic. Arabic is a language not knowledge.

Most prominent scholars of Islam were not Arabs. In fact in the entire history of Islam, the Arabs were and are a minority among scholars. But that doesn't mean a jaahil who can't speak any Arabic can become a scholar.

FYI I have read the holy Qur'an with translation many times.

Who cares, you still a kafir.

I understand Quran word by word.

Then why use a translation?

I have read few books of Hadith in Arabic like Mishkat. I have completed a course of darse NiZami upto 3rd grade and have mastered books lika khulasa, munya, qadoori, kanz, sharha waqaya, noorul Izah, mezaanu sarf, isaghoji, nahwa, muheet and durre mukhtyar.

Who cares, you still a kafir.

I have read all classic Persian books like gulistan, masnawi, bostan, panj ganj, diwane hafiz etc.

Those are not religious books. They are work of arts written by deviants and sodomites.

Besides these I have read a lot of Islamic books in Pashto, Urdu, Dari, English and othe rlabguages. If speaking Arabic is the criterion then I am a mujtahid!

You have made Ijtihaad in disbelief. Your reward will be eternal flames.

[Badlun]

True. A kafir is however worse than a faasiq. Since Allah prohibits us from taking news from fusaaq, then how about taking news from a kafir like you?




Produce a fatwa from a mujtahid scholar, a proper renown mufti from Pakistan or anywhere else prohibited the use of loudspeakers or choke on your tongue( fingers in this case)



Jamaat Tableegh is part of deobandi movement. However, Deobandis do not wholeheartedly endore Tableeghi way as it has many flaws, there is even literature and audios I can post where Deobandi scholars refute Tableeghis.



Lie. I use to be with Jamaat tableegh, stop lying.



Most prominent scholars of Islam were not Arabs. In fact in the entire history of Islam, the Arabs were and are a minority among scholars. But that doesn't mean a jaahil who can't speak any Arabic can become a scholar.



Who cares, you still a kafir.



Then why use a translation?



Who cares, you still a kafir.





Those are not religious books. They are work of arts written by deviants and sodomites.



You have made Ijtihaad in disbelief. Your reward will be eternal flames.

It means you will never listen to BBC, CNN because these are news sources of Kafirs and you have a better Muslim source?

Show me a single deobandi Alim who is against Tableeghis?

I have been with Tableeghis for a long time and have gone to Raiwand several times. This is my first hand knowledge that they do not use loud speakers.

If non Arab were great scholars then how you make Arabic essential for Islam?

I got lessons of Pashto translation of Qur'an from an Afghan scholar as it is the traditional practice but later I learnt Arabic and now I understand Qur'an directly.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Cnn and bbc is do report certain matters also reported by muslim sources. Therefor when they report something that we can easily verify then there is no reason to doubt the entire message. However when they report something that is contradicting that we already know then it is pbvious who we should trust.

You claim that tableeghis believe that loudspeakers are bidah. You have to bring a fatwa from abdulwahhab or any othet major figure from tj. Otherwise you are a lying kafir.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You are just lying. I can prove to the entire forum that you are lying and ypu have never studied quran with a scholar.

[Badlun]

You indirectly bash my religion and call it false so I directly bash you, I regard you as being similar to Satan because you go out of your way to create a delusion about Islamic values and portray an incorrect image of the greatest man to ever walk the earth, your die hard efforts can only stem from sinister attributes you have within your soul. I do see you as a kuffar which means infidel because that is exactly what you are, you see yourself as some superior authority of what Islam is and should be when you clearly do not have sufficient knowledge about Islam from Islamic sources as all your information and misconceptions are from non-muslim sources which makes you a biased person and subsequently makes your opinions invalid. I also think you are a decease because you purposefully try to mislead people intentionally whilst putting on a Mr.Innocent act.




Ok the Sunna is non obligatory, but just because its non obligatory then it cannot be a source of Islam? says who?. do you mean to say only obligatory acts can be part of Islam? I don't agree, ovcourse non obligatory acts are considered a source of Islam, why wouldn't they be. Also this is exactly what I mean about you not having credible Islamic knowledge to debate Islam, first of all things like Music and women covering there body's are obligatory actions they are not Sunna or optional, as for dance and shaving there are disputes whether you need to or not, but think of it like this, of the Prophet despised something then we are safe to say Allah also despises the action whether they are obligatory or not.



You say you are not against the religion of Islam but admit you are against the key aspects of Islam which is society, economy, politics and so fourth...this makes you against Islam by default because Islam is entwined with these mentioned things, maybe you want to just have the title of 'Muslim' but not follow anything Islam is about, but then this would mean you are only lying to yourself and have a false title of who you are. Islam has a complex legal system, a complex economical and political system and is firm on the actions of how a Muslim should carry him/herself in society. you say 'i must do this' and 'i must do that' where do you get this 'must' from? is you just picking and choosing what you must and must not do?

Tell me, If you don't follow the hadith or words of the prophet then how do you follow the 5 pillars of Islam that you adhere to? the 5 pillars are:

Shahaada - This statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of and total commitment to Islam. The statement is pledging allegiance to Muhammad pbuh which you deny you should give any credit to.

Salah - It is mentioned in the Quran that we have to pray, but there is no mention on how to specifically pray, we only know how to pray because Muhammad pbuh taught us, but according to you what he taught us might have been false and just hearsay, so how do you pray?

Zakat - You do not believe in Islam having any economical stature, so this pillar is out of the question

Sawm - I very much doubt that you are one to keep a fast or observe Ramadhan so i will leave this one out aswel.

Hajj - again, we as Muslims only know how to perform hajj not thorugh the Quran but through acts of Sunna and what the Prophet has taught us in the Hadith

As for embryology in the Quran, that is your personal opinion, there are some renown academics that know much more than you and I about embryology and they praise the process, but then there are speculative people that are not even versed in biology as a basic subject let alone anything else and don't agree, you do not even know how to speak Arabic but quick to jump on the bandwagon to people that attempt to refute the Quran, but each to their own.



My point is, if you are a Muslim its only logical to research an Islamic side of Islam and gain Islamic knowledge, it wouldn't make sense to learn Islam from people that hate Islam just because they have a well organised website, its not very logical is it, from the way you speak and the things you say its pretty blatant from what process mentioned above you learn your Islam from.




This is BS, the Quran is not known or claimed to be a book of culture nor has it claimed to be a book of science, and yes you are right it does contain scientific knowledge. There is no verse in the Quran that is scientifically wrong unless you convince yourself that it is, I've been to answeringIslam.com and what other websites you have on your favourites list and every accusation they put against the Quran is misinformed words, translations from Arabic and twisting of words, in some instances they will take a literal meaning from the Quran and give a 'behind the scenes' definition of what it may portray and then when there is a deeper contextual verse of the Quran they will give the word for word simple definition and make it appear that the Quran is saying something literally when it is merely giving an example. I have seen nothing but desperate attempts in a very childlike fashion to put Islam or the Quran down, someone like you might fall for it but the average intellectual that has a mind of his own and has the ability to research unbiasedly, look into contexts will laugh at these false accusations and the mind games of these Islamopeobes prove to no avail.




The credit does go to Islam because the Muslim scientists on many occasions have not given the achievements of their work for themselves or personal knowledge but always gave the credit the Quran for the foundation of there conclusions, the same cannot be said for Christian, atheist or whoever else. If the Quran did not come along i doubt these Muslims that achieved so much in the realms of mathematics and science would have done so, these people were backwards uneducated people but soon as Islam came and the Quran was revealed then all of a sudden they started achieving in science and mathematics, you say its just a coincidence? probably, i say Islam and the Quran made them smarter and gave them a new gateway and way of thinking that was unmatched. You see yourself as a Muslim by name, doesn't mean these great people also did only see themselves as Muslims because of birth or name.




There's nearly 2 Billion Muslims, Engineers, Architects, Doctars, Scientists etc not only in the west but also in their home countries, what Muslims are lacking is unity and a single head (Khalifa) when Muslims had a Khalifa they progressed well, but when you divide a people you conquer them, there is something happening in the world today and i see Muslims uniting and domination technology and science once again, remember after the storm, darkness and rain the sun always shines.

As I mentioned above I have read the holy Qur'an with translation many times. Now I understand Quran word by word. I have read few books of Hadith in Arabic like Mishkat. I have completed a course of darse NiZami upto 3rd grade and have mastered books lika khulasa, munya, qadoori, kanz, sharha waqaya, noorul Izah, mezaanu sarf, isaghoji, nahwa, muheet and durre mukhtyar.

I have read all classic Persian books like gulistan, masnawi, bostan, panj ganj, diwane hafiz etc. Besides these I have read a lot of Islamic books in Pashto, Urdu, Dari, English and other languages. I know Arabic .

I do not know about you whether you have read all such and other books from sources of Islam? I quote sites from non Islamic sources because there I can find criticism on Islamism. My battle is with Islamism not Islam.

How can you call me Kafir if I believe and practice the 5 pillars of Islam. Shave, music, dance, women dress, polygamy, inheritance, evidence on which I have objections are not pillars of Islam. Islamism or political Islam is not pillar of Islam.

On zakat I wrote elsewhere that it is a mode of worship not at a tax and thus not part of any economic system.

I am not against all hadith but those hadith which are against Qur'an and reason. This is the approach of Imam Abu Hanifa. I have no problem with all hadith having to do with beliefs, worship and morality but hadiths on political , social and cultural stuff were invented to support the regimes of that time and to proclaim Arab supremacy. Muhammad was a prophet of religion not of a state or economy.

In billions of Muslims give me few names who have got Nobel prize or a invention at their credit?

Read the biographies of few Muslim scientists in 10th century and you will find all of them philosophers, Mutazelites and deviant from the Salafi Islam. They were inspired by the Greeks not Islam. Otherwise the companions of the prophet and the Prophet himself would be a great scientist as who else could be more inspired by Qur'an than themselves.

The muslim scientists we see after centuries of the birth of Islam. It was not immediate. And when salafi and asharite Islam prevailed even the few scientists we had also disappeared and now in 1400 years Muslim do not have a single world known scientist.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

If you really did read those books then you have only increased evidence against yourself for the day of judgement because you wont be able to use ignorance as excuse for your disbelief.

[Manzareh]

In billions of Muslims give me few names who have got Nobel prize or a invention at their credit?

now in 1400 years Muslim do not have a single world known scientist.

First of all I don't believe you have read any of the books you've mentioned since you are not even able to grasp the simple basic aspects of Isam such as what is obligatory and what optional, Sunna or Fardh. Whereas he books you mentioned have in depth details of the Islamic outlook on economical issues like usury, tax and insurance, also if you have basic knowledge of western secular law you will find that many foundations for politics have been borrowed from Islamic Shariah, President Lincoln of America has also credited Islamic political outlooks. Further more I have been studying Classical Arabic for nearly 18 months on a part time basis and I wouldn't say I'm well versed but one of the first things I learnt was the elequence of Arabic in the Quran or the "Balaagha" one that grasps this basic concept will laugh in the face of claims taken out of the Quran and transliterated into English on websites like answeringIslam.com, since you claim the quranic errors I can show you videos in the Arabic language that will refute your claims in less than a minute, rather than me explaining in English which would take hours so I'm glad you are fluent enough to read whole complex books in Arabic.


As for Nobel peace prizes, what kind of justification is that for evidence of knowledge? who decides who gets a Nobel peace prize? Is it muslims or non-Muslim dominated?? There are Iranian scientists like M.T Keshe that has contributed to cutting edge technology, even if he comes up with a device to stop world hunger will you ever see him win a Nobel peace prize? lol..saying this for your satisfaction did you know Ahmed Zewail a muslim scientist has won a Nobel peace prize in chemistry? Or Abdus Salaam for physics, How about other ground breaking scientists like Abdul Qadir Khan? Step into another realm like architecture and you will see that the most famous and greatest female architect is a Muslim..now what? You want me to break down every single subject and give names? Like i said Billions of Muslims need unity and mutual understanding, soon it will come and you will see the Islamic civilisation flourish..tell me if Gaddafi succeeded in breaking away from US shackles and united africa would you not see an advancement in civilisation and research? Muslims are also to blame but when your country's are plagued through war and sanctions are put on you it's hard to compete with free nations that have no restrictions put on them or subjected to wars on their home land and as a result all infulstructure is destroyed..tell me, if America or China was subjected to constant war and invasion would you see any educational research accomplishments? Look at Palestine where the Israelis refuse to even let the people have clean water or have an education, hospitals are blown up how are these people meant to learn anything other than basic survival.