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    Rational thought in the Muslim world developed during the reign of liberal Muslim rulers of the Abbasid dynasty. However it was after the rise of scholars like Al-Ghazali that all scientific reasoning came to an end in the 13th century

    As we remain enamored by our past achievements in the sciences, we forget that there is very little “original” we as Muslims can celebrate and be proud of.

    It was during the reign of Abbasid caliphs, particularly Mamun-ur-Rashid (around 813 CE) that in his Dar-ul-Hikmah (the house of wisdom) in Baghdad, the Muslim scholars would begin translating the classic Greek works, primarily toeing the Aristotelian tradition. In addition, they were heavily relying on Persian and Indian sources. They also penned huge commentaries on works by Greek philosophers. However, the Muslim translators were small in number and were primarily driven by curiosity. More than ninety nine percent Arabic translations of works of Greek philosophers were done by either Christian or Jewish scholars. It is interesting to note that Islamic astronomy, based on Ptolemy’s system was geocentric. Algebra was originally a Greek discipline and ‘Arabic’ numbers were actually Indian.

    Most of these works were available to the West during 12th century when the first renaissance was taking place. Although Western scholars did travel to Spain to study Arabic versions of classical Greek thought, they soon found out that better versions of original texts in Greek were also available in the libraries of the ancient Greek city of Byzantium.

    However, it would be unfair not to mention some of those great Muslim scholars, though very few in number, who genuinely contributed in the development of philosophy and science.

    Al-Razi (865 – 925 CE) from Persia, the greatest of all Muslim physicians, philosophers and alchemists wrote 184 articles and books, dismissed revelation and considered religion a dangerous thing. Al-Razi was condemned for blasphemy and almost all his books were destroyed later.

    Ibn-e-Sina or Avicinna (980-1037CE), another great physician, philosopher and scientist was an Uzbek. Avicenna held philosophy superior to theology. His views were in sharp contrast to central Islamic doctrines and he rejected the resurrection of the dead in flesh and blood. As a consequence of his views, he became main target of Al-Ghazali and was labeled an apostate.

    Ibn-e-Rushd (1126-1198 CE) or Averroes from Spain was a philosopher and scientist who expounded the Quran in Aristotelian terms. He was found guilty of heresy, his books burnt, he was interrogated and banished from Lucena.

    Al-Bairuni (973-1048 CE), the father of Indology and a versatile genius, was of the strong view that Quran has its own domain and it does not interfere with the realm of science.

    Al-Khawarazmi (780-850 CE) was another Persian mathematician, astronomer and geographer. The historian Al-Tabri considered him a Zoroastrian while others thought that he was a Muslim. However nowhere in his works has he acknowledged Islam or linked any of his findings to the holy text.

    Omar Kyayyam(1048-1131 CE), one of the greatest mathematicians, astronomers and poets was highly critical of religion, particularly Islam. He severely criticized the idea that every event and phenomena was the result of divine intervention.

    Al-Farabi(872-950 CE), another great Muslim philosopher, highly inspired by Aristotle, considered reason superior to revelation and advocated for the relegation of prophecy to philosophy.

    Abu Musa Jabir- bin- Hayan or Geber (721-815 CE) was an accomplished Muslim alchemist cum pharmacist. Althouigh he was inclined towards mysticism, he fully acknowledged the role of experimentation in scientific endeavors.

    Ibn-ul-haitham or Hazen (965-1040 CE) was an outstanding physicist, mathematician, astronomer and an expert on optics. He was ordered by Fatimid King Al-Hakim to regulate the floods of the Nile, which he knew was not scientifically possible. He feigned madness and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

    As we go through the life history of these great men we find that they were influenced by Greek, Babylonian or Indian contributions to philosophy and science, had a critical and reasoning mind and were ‘not good’ Muslims or even atheists. A significant number of them were reluctant to even reveal the status of their beliefs for fear of reprisal from the fanatics. They never ascribed their achievements to Islam or divinity. And they were scholars and scientists because of a critical mind which would think and derive inspiration from observation and not scriptures which set restrictions on free thinking and unhindered pursuit of knowledge.

    Hence bringing in Islam to highlight achievements of Muslim scientists is nothing but sheer rhetoric as these men did not derive their achievements out of Islam or flourished due to Islam. And we find that whatever little contribution to science was made can be owed to ‘imperfect Muslims’.

    However it was the ‘perfect Muslim’, the Islamist, from the 12th century who was to give the biggest blow to scientific thought in the Muslim world. Imam Ghazali (1058-1111 CE) who still occupies a centre stage among Muslim philosophers openly denounced the laws of nature and scientific reasoning. Ghazali argued that any such laws would put God’s hands in chains. He would assert that a piece of cotton burns when put to fire, not because of physical reasons but because God wants it to burn. Ghazali was also a strong supporter of the Ash’arites; philosophers who would uphold the precedence of divine intervention over physical phenomena and bitterly opposed the Mu’tazillites; the rationalists who were the true upholders of scientific thought.

    In other words Ghazali championed the cause of orthodoxy and dogmatism at the cost of rationality and scientific reasoning. Today we find that all four major schools of ‘Sunni’ Islam reject the concept of ‘Ijtehad’ which can loosely be translated as ‘freedom of thought’. Hence there is absolutely no room for any innovation or modification in traditional thought patterns. We also find that as Europe was making use of technology while transforming into a culture of machines, the acceptance of these machines was extremely slow in the Islamic world. One prime example is that of the printing press which reached Muslim lands in 1492; however printing was banned by Islamic authorities because they believed the Koran would be dishonored by appearing out of a machine. As a result, Arabs did not acquire printing press until the 18th century.

    It also stands established that science is born out of secularism and democracy and not religious dogmatism. And science only flourished in places where religion had no role to play in matters of state. Hence there is an inverse relationship between religious orthodoxy and progress in science. Rational thought in the Muslim world developed during the reign of liberal Muslim rulers of the Abbasid dynasty who patronized the Mu’tazillites or rational thinkers.

    However it was after the religious zealots’ compilation of the ahadis and the rise of scholars like Al-Ghazali that all scientific reasoning came to an end in the 13th century.

    As a consequence the Muslims contributed almost nothing to scientific progress and human civilization since the dawn of the 13th century. And while science and technology flourish in the modern world, a vast majority of Muslims, engulfed by obscurantism, still find solace in fantasies of a bygone era------the so called ‘golden age’ of Islam.

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    Ibn Haytham is my role model more so than any Muslim thinker of that time.
    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #3
      There were tons, that's why there was the Islamic golden age. One I remember of my head is Mohammed Al kindi who was a mathematician though.
      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

      -Old Pashtun proverb




      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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      • #4
        that is untrue about al ghazali.
        al ghazali: "a grievous crime indeed, against religion has been committed by the man
        who imagines that islam is defended by the denial of mathematical sciences, seeing that there is nothing in revealed truth opposed to these sciences by way of either negation or affirmation, and nothing in these sciences opposed to the truth of religion"
        he had a differing view than the logic worshippers, about how to connct to god.

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        • #5
          there were muslim scientists yes, however none of them were radical extremist illiterate mullahs like we have today. Muslims are living in dark ages currently

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          • #6
            those minds back then, in ghazalis, mutazilah and asha'rite time, were incredible. they are so awesome and especially if you are a muslim you need to read these people and acknowledge their incredible minds and accomplishments.
            they are from many lands and backgrounds but came under the umberalla of the golden age of islam.

            i don't agree with all the ideas but i admire that people were so into the exploration of what reality and relgion are all about.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by faye View Post
              that is untrue about al ghazali.
              al ghazali: "a grievous crime indeed, against religion has been committed by the man
              who imagines that islam is defended by the denial of mathematical sciences, seeing that there is nothing in revealed truth opposed to these sciences by way of either negation or affirmation, and nothing in these sciences opposed to the truth of religion"
              he had a differing view than the logic worshippers, about how to connct to god.
              not only that but the article is not right about the printing press either.
              The printing press was not banned because the authorities viewed that it would dishonor the Quran. It was banned becasue the authorities wanted to control information to its citizens. The Europeans banned it at the beginning for the same reason but allowed it once they could control on who could use it. A woman was even burned at the stake for violating the Edict of Compiègne rules in the 16th century.

              It should also be noted that the prophet Mohammad spoke against superstition and encouraged rational thought. Those thinkers that the article talks about werent ridiculing God or Islam but ridiculing superstition.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by faye View Post
                those minds back then, in ghazalis, mutazilah and asha'rite time, were incredible. they are so awesome and especially if you are a muslim you need to read these people and acknowledge their incredible minds and accomplishments.
                they are from many lands and backgrounds but came under the umberalla of the golden age of islam.

                i don't agree with all the ideas but i admire that people were so into the exploration of what reality and relgion are all about.
                Superstition is very dangerous. I have read that thinkers in the Ancient Egyptian era knew the circumference of the Earth and knew it was round but were afraid of the superstition bunch to say anything about it. They had to keep it a secrete amongst each other.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  Superstition is very dangerous. I have read that thinkers in the Ancient Egyptian era knew the circumference of the Earth and knew it was round but were afraid of the superstition bunch to say anything about it. They had to keep it a secrete amongst each other.
                  where did you read that?
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                    where did you read that?
                    well there was Eratosthenes and not to mention how the pyramids are built and where they are built is proof, they knew pi and hence the circumference of the earth.
                    http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/PiPyr.html

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      well there was Eratosthenes and not to mention how the pyramids are built and where they are built is proof, they knew pi and hence the circumference of the earth.
                      http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/PiPyr.html


                      haha no the they had to keep the fact the Earth was round as a secret part

                      nice try Khushal
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #12
                        You mentioned Eratosthenes, interesting. There was Maimonedes, the Jew, too.

                        Just an interesting BTW, Eratosthenes didnt require pi to work out the circumference, he used distance from aswan to alex, an arc of circle, the distance already well established by the roman soldiers's charted strides, and the idea of 360 days in a year (the whole circle), the assumption that rays of light from the sun striking the earth at aswan and alex are almost parallel (due to great distance between eartha and the sun compared to the arc), the fecundity of finding a well in which sunlight reached its bottom at midday, along with the angle subtended between aswan, centre of earth and alex, so calculating the circumference of the earth was simple arithmetic. It is so elegant.
                        Last edited by torkham; 09-03-2012, 03:06 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          haha no the they had to keep the fact the Earth was round as a secret part

                          nice try Khushal
                          oh, thats my hypthosis. I draw it from historical events like socrates, galileo and many others through out history. Are you bold enough to go to Saudi Arabia and preach evolution on the streets.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            oh, thats my hypthosis. I draw it from historical events like socrates, galileo and many others through out history. Are you bold enough to go to Saudi Arabia and preach evolution on the streets.
                            That's a weird comparison since Vatican Rome was much more restrictive to science and experiment than the Greeks and Egyptians
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              That's a weird comparison since Vatican Rome was much more restrictive to science and experiment than the Greeks and Egyptians
                              I concede, you are right, I didnt think about that.

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